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I’ve seen this claim before. My first question is what is your own church doing? If your impressions are based on your own experience, then this small sample should show how active Christians are in not only pregnancy care but after care as well:Might be worth adding here that pro life needs to be more than pro-baby to be worthy of the term. I've heard a lot of 'pro life' people who are very eloquent about pro life when it comes to protecting the unborn, but once the baby is born, they don't want to know and they show zero concern for the mother too. If you are pro life, you need to be pro every stage of life - the pro lifers I have huge respect for are the ones who offer ongoing support to parents who choose to keep the baby.
I’ve seen this claim before. My first question is what is your own church doing? If your impressions are based on your own experience, then this small sample should show how active Christians are in not only pregnancy care but after care as well
Based on that logic only murder victims should decide the fate of murderers!
During slavery they had the same argument .Can another person be considered property to do what with you want.Just like a unborn baby is considered today.A lot of slave women were raped by their masters and even their children were considered property to with what they wanted.
Some pro-lifers say that abortion is okay in the case of rape or incest. But this logic doesn’t make sense because they believe life begins at conception. To kill an unborn baby who is the product of rape or incest is like killing a 2-year-old because his father was a rapist or pervert.
Some pro-lifers say that abortion is okay in the case of rape or incest. But this logic doesn’t make sense because they believe life begins at conception. To kill an unborn baby who is the product of rape or incest is like killing a 2-year-old because his father was a rapist or pervert.
Actually, thanks to advancements in science we DO know that a new human being is formed and created and begins its life at conception.Life does not begin at conception, we know that for a fact. Even before conception, an egg is human life, so is sperm. What if life begins when God provides a human spirit? When does that happen? Many believe that the Bible indicates that happens when we draw our first breath, I'm not sure I'm totally comfortable with that interpretation either.
So, then, abortion would NEVER be an option...Simple.We live in an age of advanced medical technology. When would the mother’s life be at risk with all our modern tools?
You based your assertion on hearsay and your individual subjective opinion. That is why I provided the sources showing that such a view as your own is rhetoric without any substantial evidence.No, it's not based on my own church. And I'm aware that there are many churches, organisations and individuals who do offer long-term support to parents. But I have also encountered those whose only interest is in preventing abortions and who, for example, will criticise and judge an unmarried teenage mother - yet if the same teenager had aborted her baby, they would very likely never have known she was pregnant! (The most outspoken 'pro lifer' in my previous area was notorious for this!) So I think it is important to bring into any discussion on this topic that pro life MUST include ongoing support for both parents and baby - otherwise it cannot claim to be 'pro life' but is just 'anti abortion'.
However dashes any concept of what we call justice. An aborted human being who was developing in the womb is terminated (killed) without legal representation, judge and jury. Even in the Law one could not be executed for murder without 2 or 3 witnesses.That would be perfect law and just, but I think the family of murder victims should also weigh in, but have less weight on the judgment of the murderers. If you could communicate with the dead
You based your assertion on hearsay and your individual subjective opinion. That is why I provided the sources showing that such a view as your own is rhetoric without any substantial evidence.
First I apologize if I seemed gruff or confrontational. Was not my intent. I was debating your claim. I see it quite often from abortion rights advocates as they call us pro fetal life. There is even a thread on this in the abortion forum.There seems to be some misunderstanding over what I have written. To clarify: I believe it is important to provide care for parents and babies long term, not just when they are considering whether or not to abort. Many pro life groups and individuals do this, but some do not (this is a fact, not based on hearsay or opinion but on the words of the individuals and organisations concerned). I have said that it is important for everyone who opposes abortion to show concern for the parents and babies long term.
I don't see anything in these statements that would warrant such a confrontational response. I assume you have maybe misunderstood my comments (in which case I apologise for lack of clarity and am sorry for any distress caused).
In all cases? Even when the health of the mother and developing child are not a concern?More or less, I believe it's a woman's choice she decides with the help of her doctor and her religious beliefs.
Really? What scientific evidence do you have for this assertion?Life does not begin at conception, we know that for a fact.
I'm so sorry you had that experience on the abortion forum - that must have been horrible. I certainly wasn't aiming any criticism at you, or at any pro life group who provides ongoing support. I believe pro life groups do a hugely important work which should be supported and prayed for by the church as a whole even if we can't all get involved on a practical level. I just said that some (emphasis on 'some') groups and individuals do not care for the families as they should. Sadly, they do exist (here in the UK at least) and make the task of genuine pro-lifers so much harder by providing ammunition for those who would attack pro-life. (And I have heard pro-life campaigners expressing frustration over the harm that these people do.)First I apologize if I seemed gruff or confrontational. Was not my intent. I was debating your claim. I see it quite often from abortion rights advocates as they call us pro fetal life. There is even a thread on this in the abortion forum.
leaving out the full truth. We see it in Genesis 3.
Did not know there was a church which was more conservative than the Roman Catholic Church on this issue.
What would be the pastoral advice from your church for a woman who was pregnant and had stage 4 colon cancer with weeks to months to live?
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