Is abortion ever acceptable?

[devin553344]

Some pro-lifers say that abortion is okay in the case of rape or incest. But this logic doesn’t make sense because they believe life begins at conception. To kill an unborn baby who is the product of rape or incest is like killing a 2-year-old because his father was a rapist or pervert.

I'm a male, but I believe abortion should be up to the female that is pregnant, because of rape which may be brutal. I don't support abortion though. But I'm not a female that has been raped. I just don't think we should take away their rights on the issue. I think only females should be allowed to vote on the issue.

 

[MartyF]

If you want to kill someone. Kill the rapist - not the child.

Marty

 

[wayfarersoul1978]

Some pro-lifers say that abortion is okay in the case of rape or incest. But this logic doesn’t make sense because they believe life begins at conception. To kill an unborn baby who is the product of rape or incest is like killing a 2-year-old because his father was a rapist or pervert.

I think if would be mother could died this should be allow, but if you are murder a baby over it sex or race this is wrong. We’re all God’s children and not government or state place to tell women what to do with their bodies.

 

[redleghunter]

We live in an age of advanced medical technology. When would the mother’s life be at risk with all our modern tools?

Unfortunately in this imperfect fallen world there are situations where a mother’s life could come to an end if she does not get life saving medical care.

As one poster mentioned it could be cancer. There are women who after becoming pregnant are diagnosed with stage 3 or 4 cancer which means if they do not get treatments (especially stage 4) they will die within weeks or months. If they get treatments the child may die. If they don’t get treatments both mother and child could die.

So as not to throw up a hypothetical, this tough dilemma faced my brothers pastors daughter. She was three months pregnant when she was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer. She refused treatments as she thought she could deliver to term and then get the chemotherapy. She did deliver, started chemo and died three months later. This is a terrible dilemma and heart wrenching true story.

She had two choices really. First do what she did and risk her own life. Or second choice get the chemo and hope the child survived. This terrible dilemma faced by a woman and her husband who lost a toddler just two years prior.

 

[redleghunter]

One thing I would like to note. The life of the pregnant woman has never been debatable as prior to Roe v Wade every state had provisions for the life of the mother. Even Texas had life of mother provisions. Roe was challenging Texas law on the basis of accessibility of on demand abortions other states provided.

Therefore the life of the mother was not even debatable before Roe. The pro abortion on demand lobby today wants the discussion to be about women facing tough choices about whether to choose their own life over the child. It is a dishonest tactic which should be exposed at every mention. What the abortion industry and lobby want is abortion on demand at any stage of pregnancy.

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

Unfortunately in this imperfect fallen world there are situations where a mother’s life could come to an end if she does not get life saving medical care.

As one poster mentioned it could be cancer. There are women who after becoming pregnant are diagnosed with stage 3 or 4 cancer which means if they do not get treatments (especially stage 4) they will die within weeks or months. If they get treatments the child may die. If they don’t get treatments both mother and child could die.

So as not to throw up a hypothetical, this tough dilemma faced my brothers pastors daughter. She was three months pregnant when she was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer. She refused treatments as she thought she could deliver to term and then get the chemotherapy. She did deliver, started chemo and died three months later. This is a terrible dilemma and heart wrenching true story.

She had two choices really. First do what she did and risk her own life. Or second choice get the chemo and hope the child survived. This terrible dilemma faced by a woman and her husband who lost a toddler just two years prior.

My brother's ex-wife is in the same situation, except she's not a Christian, and will likely abort, but I do not know that she could deliver before the cancer kills her. Before me and my brother were born, my mom got pregnant and nearly died because of the dead infant inside of her. If she had not gone through the medical procedure to remove the dead infant, neither me nor my brother would have been born. Life can get really complicated sometimes.

 

[redleghunter]

In many cases, "what" is not the correct question. "Why" is the relevant one. Every scenario is unique. Slapping a general label on any group of scenarios is not gonna do it. Take lying, for example. Sometimes it is necessary to avoid a greater evil. In those cases, we need to recognize that we live in an imperfect world but what we did was still a sin and ask for forgiveness, so that we do not fall into habbit of doing it, no matter how justified it was in that scenario.

Abortion would fall into that category as well. Sometimes it will be justified, sometimes it will be not. However, it would still be a sin, which is we must acknowledge and if it was the way to go, ask for forgiveness. In the end, it depends on the situation and is between you and God. What is right for one according to God, might not be for someone else. Every situation is unique, no matter how similar they may seem. And only God knows all.

Most abortions performed in the US are performed on a healthy mother and healthy pre born child. Upwards to 97%.

 

[redleghunter]

Abortion is never acceptable.

That is the correct moral answer I agree. Yet even the Catholic Church does not require a Catholic woman to choose her own life over the child. If I am correct your church sees the situation as most unfortunate and every measure must be taken to protect the sanctity of life both the woman and child.

 

[redleghunter]

I don't think anyone knows when life begins, so generally speaking, I am against abortion. I don't know if anyone disputes abortion if the woman's life is in danger. If a woman has been raped, do you really think it's okay to force her to carry out her pregnancy?

First we do biologically know when human life begins. That’s conception.

On the matter of rape I pose the following question. What did the conceived child do to be sentenced to his or her own death?

The woman is a victim, the conceived child an innocent bystander and the rapist gets 7 years or less for good time (if caught and convicted!) and while in jail gets three hot meals, cable TV and a cot.

 

[Tutorman]

That is the correct moral answer I agree. Yet even the Catholic Church does not require a Catholic woman to choose her own life over the child. If I am correct your church sees the situation as most unfortunate and every measure must be taken to protect the sanctity of life both the woman and child.

I am not ECUSA my Church is completely against abortion.

 

[redleghunter]

I am not ECUSA my Church is completely against abortion.

Did not know there was a church which was more conservative than the Roman Catholic Church on this issue.

What would be the pastoral advice from your church for a woman who was pregnant and had stage 4 colon cancer with weeks to months to live?

 

[John Bowen]

I'm a male, but I believe abortion should be up to the female that is pregnant, because of rape which may be brutal. I don't support abortion though. But I'm not a female that has been raped. I just don't think we should take away their rights on the issue. I think only females should be allowed to vote on the issue.

During slavery they had the same argument .Can another person be considered property to do what with you want.Just like a unborn baby is considered today.A lot of slave women were raped by their masters and even their children were considered property to with what they wanted.

 

[redleghunter]

I'm a male, but I believe abortion should be up to the female that is pregnant, because of rape which may be brutal. I don't support abortion though. But I'm not a female that has been raped. I just don't think we should take away their rights on the issue. I think only females should be allowed to vote on the issue.

Based on that logic only murder victims should decide the fate of murderers!

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

The ways that seem right unto a man , but are the ways of death. The ends cannot justify the means. Thou shalt not kill ..that's very clear .

Some of us have an alternate religious opinion about the life of the unborn, that it does not yet constitute a person in the first half of the pregnancy, due to the lack of a brain that could support personhood.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

During slavery they had the same argument .Can another person be considered property to do what with you want.Just like a unborn baby is considered today.A lot of slave women were raped by their masters and even their children were considered property to with what they wanted.

Those slaves had brains capable of sustaining personhood.

 

[John Bowen]

When a woman has a abortion that's free will and she will be held accountable for it. But when a nation of allows abortion to be legal than the entire nation will experience what they have sowed . American people need to ask the question how can only 9 people on the supreme court decide how a entire country of over 300 million in a democratic nation should live.

 

[redleghunter]

Some of us have an alternate religious opinion about the life of the unborn, that it does not yet constitute a person in the first half of the pregnancy, due to the lack of a brain that could support personhood.

An opinion based on what exactly?

 

[John Bowen]

Some of us have an alternate religious opinion about the life of the unborn, that it does not yet constitute a person in the first half of the pregnancy, due to the lack of a brain that could support personhood.

They had same debate during slavery a slave isn't a human they said. A fetus that becomes a child if not killed is a person also with inalienable rights .That are God given . Not given by the state so who ever runs the state can take away your rights.

 

[derpytia]

Just another thought on a woman who has been raped and is pregnant. As painful as the situation is could she not just bear 9 months uncertainty and when the baby is born give it to parents who would love nothing more than have a child of their own due to them not be able to themselves. Why isnt our culture supporting adoption over abortion??

Unfortunately in a lot of countries, adoption is unthinkable due to keeping family lines direct and pure (yes, there are countries today that still believe that this is super important). In the United States there's a stigma attached to adopted children (some of my friends were adopted and they felt it too). People question why the child was put up for adoption and worry that any child they adopt probably came from bad circumstances (such as rape, drug abuse, etc) and will grow up with mental problems of some kind. Also, adoption is not easy financially. It actually costs A LOT of money to adopt a child so that people wont adopt children to traffic them. Also the adoption process is fraught with complications, especially if you're adopting a child from another country. And some of the time adopted children grow up feeling resentful of their biological parents and even their adopted parents for various reasons.

Adoption is not the easy way out either and it definitely is not all sunshines, rainbows, and happy endings. Not saying people shouldn't adopt because adoption is the best chance for a child born into bad circumstances to have a happy and healthy life out of the foster care system or an orphanage. But adoption isn't as simple or easy as many of us would think.

 

[frater_domus]

Are you placing it in a medical category or some other category?

Isn't it still murder?
Doesn't the N.T. state that murderers will not enter into heaven? It's more serious than lying.

I didn't have a particular category in mind. I am definitely not an authority on abortion, I am just trying to convey my experience when it comes to other areas such as lying and try to apply them here.
Murderers will enter, so long as they are repentant. Jesus died for everyone and everything can be forgiven, as long as the person is repentant. Only by actively turning aside, rejecting salvation and deny the Spirit, only then are you truly lost.