Infallibility of Scriptures Proves Gay is Sin according to the Scriptures

[davedjy]

There is no such thing as a loving, monogamous gay relationship in the Bible. It condemns homosexual acts. In order to be in a gay, monogamous relationship you would undoubtedly have sex. Therefore, the idea of a monogamous, gay relationship does not work.

There isn't a such thing as a car in the Bible. Are we allowed to drive one?

The Bible isn't a sexual rule book.

 

[PinkTulip]

There isn't a such thing as a car in the Bible. Are we allowed to drive one?

The Bible isn't a sexual rule book.

The Bible provides a road map of how one is to serve God. How can you so boldy claim that you know more than what the Bible says? Jesus followed the OT sexual morality codes. If we are to follow him, we are to walk like Christ.

The Bible talks about sexual immorality. It is not allowed. You cannot deny this. Christians are to follow the OT sexual morality laws as defined by Acts 15.

 

[davedjy]

The Bible provides a road map of how one is to serve God. How can you so boldy claim that you know more than what the Bible says? Jesus followed the OT sexual morality codes. If we are to follow him, we are to walk like Christ.

The Bible talks about sexual immorality. It is not allowed. You cannot deny this. Christians are to follow the OT sexual morality laws as defined by Acts 15.

homosexuality is not defined as sexual immorality.

I'm still waiting for your rebuttal of this:

FACT: There is not one condemnation of homosexuality as one’s innate sexual constitution in the Scriptures. In fact, any reputable Bible scholar will tell you that when the original manuscripts were written in the languages of Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, in none of these languages did the word "homosexual," or any viable translation of the word, exist.


http://www.opendoorcenter.com/myths_&_facts.htm

 

[savedandhappy1]

James 1:8-15
8A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
9Let the brother of low degree rejoice in that he is exalted:
10But the rich, in that he is made low: because as the flower of the grass he shall pass away.
11For the sun is no sooner risen with a burning heat, but it withereth the grass, and the flower thereof falleth, and the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: so also shall the rich man fade away in his ways.
12Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
13Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

I am going to look it up, but didn't Sheba promise God that she would return to her country and preach about Him instead of the other gods she had worshiped? She did this as a promise to God if He would save Solomon, right, and even tho she was with child, because of her and Solomon's fornication?

If this is true doesn't it go against those who say God would never want people that really love each other to be apart. If hetrosexuals were separated, even when a child was involved, and they really loved each other why wouldn't he ask homosexuals? The same would go for celibacy, because now that Sheba had left her gods, and became a child of God, the fornication would stop also, hopefully. Besides the fact that her true love was Solomon and they would be in two different countries.

This story would also go against it being ok to say that there is only one way to God, since when Sheba and her people were worshiping their god, and I believe Solomon was with them, the Lord sent lightning and maybe an earthquake......... I am going to have to go back and study this again to be sure of some of these facts.

If my memory of this is as stated above, it would go against some of the thinking of people who believe that if two people really love each other than pre-marital sex, adultery, homosexuality, fornication, etc. is ok. If they really love each other and since God is a God of love, He wouldn't think it wrong.

I keep thinking maybe we should define the different types of love in the Bible. We should see if the word tells us that God's love is the same as sexual love, because I don't think when He said to love your neighbor as yourself, that he was meaning sexual love to our neighbors or ourselves.

I just can't see how someone can make the love from God, which is in us when we become His children, become a physical/sexual love. I am not wording this right, but plainly it is 2 different types of love. One doesn't make the other one always right.

I am going to have to do some thinking on how to word this where my meaning is better understood, but I will leave what I have tried to say above. Just in case some can understand what it is I am trying to say, even tho not doing a real good job.

 

[PinkTulip]

homosexuality is not defined as sexual immorality.

I'm still waiting for your rebuttal of this:

FACT: There is not one condemnation of homosexuality as one’s innate sexual constitution in the Scriptures. In fact, any reputable Bible scholar will tell you that when the original manuscripts were written in the languages of Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, in none of these languages did the word "homosexual," or any viable translation of the word, exist.


http://www.opendoorcenter.com/myths_&_facts.htm

Acts 15 discusses sexual immorality in the context of the OT where sleeping with animals was placed on the don't do list. Why would the early church say no to animal sex and yes to homosexuality? You can't pick and choose what sin not to follow and to follow. God does not take polls.

Well, again I had the greek translation of arsenkoites translated by a greek professor. She claims it is to males enagaging in sexual intercourse. Maybe you should go to a University in your hometown and do the same. Of course you will diagree with me because you would rather follow a website.

I do not believe that homosexuality is innate. There has been no evidence to say otherwise.

To summarise: I follow God's word, not a website nor human authority.

 

[davedjy]

James 1:8-15
8A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

9Let the brother of low degree rejoice in that he is exalted:
10But the rich, in that he is made low: because as the flower of the grass he shall pass away.
11For the sun is no sooner risen with a burning heat, but it withereth the grass, and the flower thereof falleth, and the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: so also shall the rich man fade away in his ways.
12Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
13Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

I am going to look it up, but didn't Sheba promise God that she would return to her country and preach about Him instead of the other gods she had worshiped? She did this as a promise to God if He would save Solomon, right, and even tho she was with child, because of her and Solomon's fornication?

If this is true doesn't it go against those who say God would never want people that really love each other to be apart. If hetrosexuals were separated, even when a child was involved, and they really loved each other why wouldn't he ask homosexuals? The same would go for celibacy, because now that Sheba had left her gods, and became a child of God, the fornication would stop also, hopefully. Besides the fact that her true love was Solomon and they would be in two different countries.

This story would also go against it being ok to say that there is only one way to God, since when Sheba and her people were worshiping their god, and I believe Solomon was with them, the Lord sent lightning and maybe an earthquake......... I am going to have to go back and study this again to be sure of some of these facts.

If my memory of this is as stated above, it would go against some of the thinking of people who believe that if two people really love each other than pre-marital sex, adultery, homosexuality, fornication, etc. is ok. If they really love each other and since God is a God of love, He wouldn't think it wrong.

I keep thinking maybe we should define the different types of love in the Bible. We should see if the word tells us that God's love is the same as sexual love, because I don't think when He said to love your neighbor as yourself, that he was meaning sexual love to our neighbors or ourselves.

I just can't see how someone can make the love from God, which is in us when we become His children, become a physical/sexual love. I am not wording this right, but plainly it is 2 different types of love. One doesn't make the other one always right.

I am going to have to do some thinking on how to word this where my meaning is better understood, but I will leave what I have tried to say above. Just in case some can understand what it is I am trying to say, even tho not doing a real good job.

This proves homosexuality is sin, how, exactly?


I find it so ironic that some humans are born gay, and then the religious bigots who freely accept the fact that polygamy and slavery were freely accepted in the Scriptures is "OK", but homosexuality is a sin.

Read Exodus 21:10

 

[davedjy]

Acts 15 discusses sexual immorality in the context of the OT where sleeping with animals was placed on the don't do list. Why would the early church say no to animal sex and yes to homosexuality? You can't pick and choose what sin not to follow and to follow. God does not take polls.

Well, again I had the greek translation of arsenkoites translated by a greek professor. She claims it is to males enagaging in sexual intercourse. Maybe you should go to a University in your hometown and do the same. Of course you will diagree with me because you would rather follow a website.

I do not believe that homosexuality is innate. There has been no evidence to say otherwise.

To summarise: I follow God's word, not a website nor human authority.

There is LOTS of evidence that it is genetic. My Pastor did a study on other species and it is very genetic!

http://seedmagazine.com/news/2006/06/the_gay_animal_kingdom.php?page=all&p=y


God doesn't create everything one way = diversity.

 

[PinkTulip]

There is LOTS of evidence that it is genetic. My Pastor did a study on other species and it is very genetic!

http://seedmagazine.com/news/2006/06/the_gay_animal_kingdom.php?page=all&p=y


God doesn't create everything one way = diversity.

Hey, look at the title "effeminate sheep"...I thought effeminate didn't mean gay??

 

[ReformedChapin]

There is LOTS of evidence that it is genetic. My Pastor did a study on other species and it is very genetic!

http://seedmagazine.com/news/2006/06/the_gay_animal_kingdom.php?page=all&p=y


God doesn't create everything one way = diversity.

Considering that "study" doesn't discuss their sample size and theoretical frame work. It's useless.

BTW just because animals practice something that appears like homosexuality we don't know the true intent of their actions. Some animals eat their children, that doesn't imply we should do it as well.

 

[davedjy]

Considering that "study" doesn't discuss their sample size and theoretical frame work. It's useless.

BTW just because animals practice something that appears like homosexuality we don't know the true intent of their actions. Some animals eat their children, that doesn't imply we should do it as well.

Eating Children and sexual love aren't exactly the same thing, are they?

There are 10 Commandments, let's stick to the 10, and not add "thou shall not be gay".

 

[davedjy]

Hey, look at the title "effeminate sheep"...I thought effeminate didn't mean gay??

Read the NKJV of 1 Cor 6:9, it falsely translates out malakoi (effeminate/soft) to mean "homosexual".

 

[PinkTulip]

There is LOTS of evidence that it is genetic. My Pastor did a study on other species and it is very genetic!

http://seedmagazine.com/news/2006/06/the_gay_animal_kingdom.php?page=all&p=y


God doesn't create everything one way = diversity.

This reminds of the "God Gene"....Just because someone studies something doesn't mean there is "evidence". It is all theories! We can't even cure the common cold yet!

 

[Brieuse]

Considering that "study" doesn't discuss their sample size and theoretical frame work. It's useless.

BTW just because animals practice something that appears like homosexuality we don't know the true intent of their actions. Some animals eat their children, that doesn't imply we should do it as well.

that's besides the point. Those little boy mice didn't start heading for the other little boy mice because they had bad parents.

 

[ReformedChapin]

Eating Children and sexual love aren't exactly the same thing, are they?

There are 10 Commandments, let's stick to the 10, and not add "thou shall not be gay".

I never said they were the same thing. And again the 10 commandments are summary of the law. It doesn't cover every aspect of the law. They don't say "thou shall not slap your wife" so does that mean I can do it?

 

[PinkTulip]

Read the NKJV of 1 Cor 6:9, it falsely translates out malakoi (effeminate/soft) to mean "homosexual".

I have read it....it means gay.

 

[davedjy]

I never said they were the same thing. And again the 10 commandments are summary of the law. It doesn't cover every aspect of the law. They don't say "thou shall not slap your wife" so does that mean I can do it?

All of the commandments are summed up by "love".

Slapping you wife is hurting someone, not exactly a valid comparison, is it?

 

[PinkTulip]

All of the commandments are summed up by "love".

Slapping you wife is hurting someone, not exactly a valid comparison, is it?

Love means following God. How does one follow God? By following his commandments.

 

[davedjy]

I have read it....it means gay.

This link proves YOU wrong!

http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3120&Version=kjv

 

[PinkTulip]

This link proves YOU wrong!

http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3120&Version=kjv

No how does that prove me wrong... those are homosexual acts

 

[ReformedChapin]

This link proves YOU wrong!

http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3120&Version=kjv

uh...

1) soft, soft to the touch
2) metaph. in a bad sense
a) effeminate
1) of a catamite
2) of a boy kept for homosexual relations with a man
3) of a male who submits his body to unnatural lewdness
4) of a male prostitute