I'm perplexed -- & aggrivated

[JustAsIam77]

When I first came to CF there was a guy that actually said he had reached such a high plane of enlightenment that he was living an absolutely perfect life. He lasted about 3 days and disappeared from the forum forever. I've never forgotten that guy. I had a few good laughs over his postings though.

 

[-~Truth_N_Trust~-]

Jesus is Real, your posts about language are very interesting. It brought to my mind common views about bible translations, part of me thinks that just getting people to actually read any bible is a great start! But part of me remembers conversations with young Christians claiming their bible translation doesn't explicitly say that pre-marital sex is a problem and other similar instances...

Do you think that some of the new translations which seem to 'water down' the scriptures may be relevant?

 

[Nadiine]

Jesus is Real, your posts about language are very interesting. It brought to my mind common views about bible translations, part of me thinks that just getting people to actually read any bible is a great start! But part of me remembers conversations with young Christians claiming their bible translation doesn't explicitly say that pre-marital sex is a problem and other similar instances...

Do you think that some of the new translations which seem to 'water down' the scriptures may be relevant?

pardon my intrusion - I'd like to hear his answer too.

But I tend to think that people are seeking loopholes rather than truth in some cases. The issue becomes when they're told that fornication is sin and if they argue & debate against it.
Are they seeking God & the truth or seeking a god that condones what they desire to do?

In a new Christian I'm definitely careful not to leap to judgments early -
but alot of what I look at is their attitude - is it truly seeking to know or rebellion in wanting
to claim a religion & create it according to their own terms.

 

[-~Truth_N_Trust~-]

I was thinking along the lines of watering down the scriptures to match the 'watered down' PC mindset, where infant christians are still getting some milk, but the whole system is set up to keep them as infants at best... gee, I'm starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist...

 

[Nadiine]

I was thinking along the lines of watering down the scriptures to match the 'watered down' PC mindset, where infant christians are still getting some milk, but the whole system is set up to keep them as infants at best... gee, I'm starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist...

there is a conspiracy tho Truth... it's by Satan & he's using people like pawns.

& keep one thing in mind tho too, Hosea 4:6 also teaches that God's people are destroyed for their lack of knowledge. - they didn't seek to know or learn. (I assume complacency is at play there?)

and this is interesting too:
Is. 30
8Now go, write it on a tablet before them
And inscribe it on a scroll,
That it may serve in the time to come
As a witness forever.
9For this is a rebellious people, false sons,
Sons who refuse to listen
To the instruction of the LORD;
10 Who say to the seers, "You must not see visions";
And to the prophets, "You must not prophesy to us what is right,
Speak to us pleasant words,
Prophesy illusions.
11 "Get out of the way, turn aside from the path,
Let us hear no more about the Holy One of Israel."
12 Therefore thus says the Holy One of Israel,
"Since you have rejected this word
And have put your trust in oppression and guile, and have relied on them,
13 Therefore this iniquity will be to you
Like a breach about to fall,
A bulge in a high wall,
Whose collapse comes suddenly in an instant,

Sound familiar today? Most of the people staying infants, WANT to
stay spiritual infants and don't want to advance and don't want
to hear the actual truth.

 

[-~Truth_N_Trust~-]

lol, yeah, I'm a conspiracy theorist at heart I guess , it's rather... odd.. I suppose, to know that we have been warned about the evil working behind the scenes, to know that it is there but only seeing bits and pieces revealed... I'm trying to be carefull, I don't want to be a crazy and see a demon in every coffee cup (mmmmmmm... coffee... ahem)

 

[Nadiine]

lol, yeah, I'm a conspiracy theorist at heart I guess , it's rather... odd.. I suppose, to know that we have been warned about the evil working behind the scenes, to know that it is there but only seeing bits and pieces revealed... I'm trying to be carefull, I don't want to be a crazy and see a demon in every coffee cup (mmmmmmm... coffee... ahem)

I know a woman who sees demons behind, next to, under and above every coffee cup.

LOL (she means well, I just go along with it)

 

[Jesus Is Real]

Jesus is Real, your posts about language are very interesting. It brought to my mind common views about bible translations, part of me thinks that just getting people to actually read any bible is a great start! But part of me remembers conversations with young Christians claiming their bible translation doesn't explicitly say that pre-marital sex is a problem and other similar instances...

Do you think that some of the new translations which seem to 'water down' the scriptures may be relevant?

~Truth_N_Trust~,

This is what a Christian will do, led by the Spirit of God they will speak the Law of God (The 10 Commandments) to those young Christians and they will be blessed. Especially when it comes to adultery (Thou Shalt not commit Adultery) or even fornication it's breaking the 7th Commandment of God when it's being practiced (or to look with lust from the heart: Matt. 5:28), and not repented of in the Fear of The Lord. God's Law and Word, in this case, is the Relevant Party. Paraphrases are not God's Word nor Law, any Chrisitian knows that.

To say the least.

Nadiine, no intrusion at all on your part.

 

[desmalia]

I was thinking along the lines of watering down the scriptures to match the 'watered down' PC mindset, where infant christians are still getting some milk, but the whole system is set up to keep them as infants at best... gee, I'm starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist...

Yes, very true. Like the paraphrases such as the Message or the Living Bible. They soften anything that's offensive to the PC movement. And they water it down so much that the truth is clearly compromised in many areas. The NIV is not a good translation at all, but it's better than nothing, I suppose. But the key really is in wanting to know and understand God's word as it is, not as we want it to be. Rick Warren, for instance, uses many different translations and paraphrases in his books specifically to support whatever point he's trying to make at the time. That's very dangerous stuff. What we've got to be doing is looking for the full meaning, and that most often means looking past the English to the original Greek, Hebrew, or Aramaic. There is no perfect English translation.

 

[Jesus Is Real]

Yes, very true. Like the paraphrases such as the Message or the Living Bible. They soften anything that's offensive to the PC movement. And they water it down so much that the truth is clearly compromised in many areas. The NIV is not a good translation at all, but it's better than nothing, I suppose. But the key really is in wanting to know and understand God's word as it is, not as we want it to be. Rick Warren, for instance, uses many different translations and paraphrases in his books specifically to support whatever point he's trying to make at the time. That's very dangerous stuff. What we've got to be doing is looking for the full meaning, and that most often means looking past the English to the original Greek, Hebrew, or Aramaic. There is no perfect English translation.

desmalia,

Good point (above red), God's Word would say 'unlawful deeds'.

Great reply by the way. Your so right be an honest scribe study God's Word with a hebrew and greek lexicon's etc. and then you can read it in the Holy Ghost.

 

[Jesus Is Real]

there is a conspiracy tho Truth... it's by Satan & he's using people like pawns.

& keep one thing in mind tho too, Hosea 4:6 also teaches that God's people are destroyed for their lack of knowledge. - they didn't seek to know or learn. (I assume complacency is at play there?)

and this is interesting too:
Is. 30
8Now go, write it on a tablet before them
And inscribe it on a scroll,
That it may serve in the time to come
As a witness forever.
9For this is a rebellious people, false sons,
Sons who refuse to listen
To the instruction of the LORD;
10 Who say to the seers, "You must not see visions";
And to the prophets, "You must not prophesy to us what is right,
Speak to us pleasant words,
Prophesy illusions.
11 "Get out of the way, turn aside from the path,
Let us hear no more about the Holy One of Israel."
12 Therefore thus says the Holy One of Israel,
"Since you have rejected this word
And have put your trust in oppression and guile, and have relied on them,
13 Therefore this iniquity will be to you
Like a breach about to fall,
A bulge in a high wall,
Whose collapse comes suddenly in an instant,

Sound familiar today? Most of the people staying infants, WANT to
stay spiritual infants and don't want to advance and don't want
to hear the actual truth.

That's all so true Nadiine. And your right - it sure does sound familiar today. God's Word is Perfect!!!

2 Tim 4:3-5

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
KJV

The sad thing is that people want to be used by Satan as pawns because Satan tells them that they can rule in their own authority as his priests who have bowed down to him while he's telling them "they surely shalt not die" if they become his pawns.

And ",...My People love it so" saith THE LORD.

Jer 5:30-31

30 "An appalling and horrible thing
Has happened in the land:
31 The prophets prophesy falsely,
And the priests rule on their own authority;
And My peoplelove it so!
But what will you do at the end of it?
NASU

 

[NorrinRadd]

... Paraphrases are not God's Word nor Law, any Chrisitian knows that.

To say the least. ...

In that it is never possible to perfectly translate both words and meanings simultaneously from one language to another, I affirm that I am one Xian who does NOT know that "paraphrases are not God's Word." If that were true, the ONLY people with God's Word were those who centuries and millennia ago first recorded it. *Every* translation is to *some* extent a "paraphrase."

 

[NorrinRadd]

... Rick Warren, for instance, uses many different translations and paraphrases in his books specifically to support whatever point he's trying to make at the time. That's very dangerous stuff. ...

The writers of the NT used and quoted from various different OT translations -- and arguably did not always pay strict attention to context.

 

[Jesus Is Real]

The writers of the NT used and quoted from various different OT translations -- and arguably did not always pay strict attention to context.

Have you ever read The Message - talk about a new world order agenda. That book mimics UNITED NATIONS DOCUMENTS. Take a read some time and do your own research it will bless your soberness and it will re-polish (we all need that from time to time) your own personal warning trumpet.

 

[porterross]

Have you ever read The Message - talk about a new world order agenda. That book mimics UNITED NATIONS DOCUMENT. Take a read some time and do your own research it will bless your soberness and it will re-polish (we all need that from time to time) your own personal warning trumpet.

I hear they make good kindling.

 

[Jesus Is Real]

I hear they make good kindling.

AMEN!

I have burned books before. I haven't burned Rick's yet (PD-L) - I use it for research. Sad to say, but it's like looking into the mind of Satan.

I trust when I'm all done, I'll be burning L. Sweet's and Brian McLaren's and Dan Kimball's Emergent books as well and a few others. But for the mean time for some months now God has me studying it's deception - they have fully joined in with all this ONE GLOBAL WORLD. This same doctrine is all over commericial's, even sports commentators are taking dialectically showing people how it's done - it's brainwashing as you innocently ~believe~ your just watching a basketball/football/etc. game on tv. The Star Trek Voyager and it's Collective are pushing the envelop (brainwashing) as well. And I use to be a Trekker, not no more.

I miss Ronny boy too - he never would dialogue with the media, remember he would say, "Now there you go again!"

 

[Chococat]

I've not read all the posts in this thread so if I repeat something someone else has said please forgive me. The point I want to make is that I have every sympathy with someone who is struggling with porn or any other sin which isn't to say I'm excusing it I'm not. However the people I do have issues with are those who rationalise their use of porn (or whatever their pet sin is!) or worse still flaunt it especially when these people claim to be Christians. I won't judge their hearts as I am not God but I will say they have been deceived.

 

[Tenebrae]

If I ever get someone trying to justify porn, I send em this link. To me it totally illustrates the fact that watching porn is not a soft option, its not the better option

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rhHc3-_OzE

 

[Atlantians]

I know we're conservatives here and I'm preaching
to the choir...
but I cannot believe my eyes when I read posts by people
with Christian icons supporting pornography as moral!

http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=49203705&postcount=331

http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=49203294&postcount=326

http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=49203676&postcount=330

I find this deeply disturbing

Yeah that is sick and terribly disturbing.

I found his accusations against you of using God's name in vain ironic.

His arguments were also not particularly good... though compared to most pro-pornography arguments.. they were not bad ones.

I would recommend honing your debating technique, he came off better than you did by pure rhetorical technique as opposed to substance.

 

[icedtea]

Porn is wrong and would be even if there were no God. (and there is)