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If you do not eat pork, Christ will profit you nothing

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by LittleLambofJesus, May 28, 2013.

  1. bugkiller

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    Depends on how hungry one is.:)

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  2. annier

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    Why do you think kosher refers to health? Scripture does not seem to support that notion. If these were health laws then all the poisonous herbs and fruit etc. would have been disallowed as well.
    The law of clean and unclean animals for consumption was not given to any people other than the nation of Israel.
    There was a time that man was not to consume them. But God did give all animals for consumption after the flood.
    Gentiles are not subject to the judgement of the covenant made at Sinai.
     
  3. YeShallTread

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    That would be me. :wave:


    I would assume buzzard would be as tasty as other rotted flesh eaters such as alligator, swine, shrimp, etc. The question isn't how tasty they are but why would you eat them?

    What does this mean to you Rev Randy?


    Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

    He fulfilled many things. He became our Sabbath. Did He become swine? Are the food laws included in the above? He continues.....
    5:19-20 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
     
  4. YeShallTread

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    Did you notice that God instructed Noah to take both clean and unclean beasts on the ark. Why make the distinction if all were clean as you mistakenly believe.

    Where you read....

    Genesis 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
    ...does NOT mean Noah or any human can eat "every moving thing that liveth," otherwise cannibalism would be in vogue. :p "Moving things that liveth" refers to humans to teach. They are meat for Noah as they are meat for Jesus as they are meat for us.


    John 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of Him that sent Me, and to finish His work.


    Sorry but that doesn't make any sense at all.




    I was commenting on the comment you made about mushrooms...which didn't have much to do with the topic. Are mushrooms on God's do not consume list? If not...why bring them up?




    Neighbors and mushrooms...neither have anything to do with this topic. Yes Jesus ate with sinners...I NEVER SAID WE SHOULD NOT SOCIALIZE WITH OTHERS. I said we are severed from others because we are His children. As I explained that does not mean we are social snobs. It means we remain separate with our actions. We can be among sinners but we are severed from them...for we are not sinners.



    I don't condemn. I ask you to understand your Father and His instructions to His children. All children of God are His peculiar people. If it makes you feel better to think as you do then...it is your choice.
     
  5. GladiatorforGod

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    Joel Osteen agrees with the SDAs. Note, how healthy he looks. He puts to shame all of the fat, pork eating Preachers.
     
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  6. YeShallTread

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    So...you think they were laws God placed on people to punish them, to keep them from a larger menu?



    He also didn't provide a scripture telling us not to jump off a cliff, or hold our breath too long underwater....but...He did give us a brain. These laws, however...are very specific:
    Leviticus 11:46-47 This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth: To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.

    In saying that you must believe all other people don't matter to Him? I'm afraid you are greatly mistaken. Do you also assume the Ten Commandments somehow don't apply to us?
    Acts 10:33-35 Immediately therefore I sent to thee; and thou hast well done that thou art come. Now therefore are we all here present before God, to hear all things that are commanded thee of God. Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth Him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with Him.

    Again, you misunderstand...on both of the above comments.
     
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  7. annier

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    No, I do not think so, why would you even ask this?


    Yes, it was law given to one particular people. This simply does not answer my comments concerning poisonous plants. If the food laws given to Israel were solely based upon health Issues, He certainly would have given commandfs concerning poisonous plants as well.
    Again, you have wrongly attributed things to me which are untrue. God gave various commands to individuals subject to the law of Moses as well. The priests alone were allowed to eat certain things which the common Israelites were not allowed ETC. So, no I do not think he loved anyone less for distinguishing people by these things.
    As for the ten commandments....The law of Moses is the way in which that Nation was to carry out those commands. We in Christ do keep the commands, we just carry them out differently. One glaring example would be marriage. The nation of Israel allowed for Marriage to include several wives to a man. This was neither considered adultery nor fornication by Moses law. However in many Nations, it would be considered adultery, and even worse polygamy, and become prosecutable thereby. So whether one is keeping THE COMMANDMENTS, often depends on WHICH LAW you are subject to, and which law you judge by.
     
  8. bugkiller

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    Your argument is to absurd to address.

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  9. bugkiller

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    Yeah he is liable to say anything.

    When you guys gonna license him to pastor one of your churches. You all got enough money?

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  10. LittleLambofJesus

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    If it is good enuf for Rambo, it is good enuf for me :thumbsup:


    Col. Troutman: "to eat things that would make a billy goat puke"

    Eat things that would make a billy goat puke. - YouTube



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  11. Rev Randy

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    I'm pretty sure buzzard isn't good tasting or people would be eating them and I'd have a recipe. Shrimp are wonderful as are most shellfish. Pork, I eat it on a regular basis.
    What do I think of this. Whatever food we ask the Lord to bless is blessed and cleansed. Now as to what's healthy: I'm not concerned. It's not like I live off any one food. It won't be my diet killing me anyway. I'll die when God says it's time if I eat only bean sprouts and tofu. I fast my share. It's an Orthodox thing. So when I'm not fasting I enjoy what taste good.

    If you really want to see a filthy animal. go to a modern chicken farm. They eat and live in their own filth. Alligator isn't on my menu. I've tried it and while it wasn't bad (tasted about like chicken), it did smell like cat pee when in the raw stage. Grasshopper is a clean food but you can have my share. Tried it in the Orient and it was like eating sand.
     
  12. MoreCoffee

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    And consider the message he preaches - puts to shame somebody, but not the bacon eating faithful preacher who is not on TV.
     
  13. Rev Randy

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    If I (an old man) had his make-up artist,I might look like Brad Pitt. :doh:
     
  14. Strong in Him

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    First of all, looks are deceptive - just because someone may seem to be healthy, doesn't mean they are.

    Secondly you are impiying that pork eaters are all fat, and possibly that they are fat because thewy eat pork. This is absurd; a person could eat no pork at all and still be fat, or eat pork and be quite slim. And not eating pork doesn't guarantee good health or a long life. I know of people who've eaten pork all their lives, are healthy and lived to a ripe old age; I know of vegetarians who've died young.

    Thirdly, what a person preaches is more important than how they look.
     
  15. YeShallTread

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    I see only three possible reasons He gave very, very detailed instructions on what children of God (all children of God) are to consume.
    1. To protect us by warning...those foods aren't good for us.
    2. To test us to see if we can follow His instructions by tempting us with really tasty foods.
    3. To protect us from potential harm and to see if we would or would not...follow His instructions.
    Which is it?


    1. Yes, they were given to one particular people. Those "people" are children of God....all children of God.

    2. Poison plants kill immediately.....toxic foods take time. And, He said:
    Genesis 1:29-30 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.


    Was it that others were "not allowed" because of who they were or...was it because the priests were to eat the sin offering after it was sanctified? What does that symbolize, what did that point to for it was fulfilled in Him?

    Picture the disciples of the Lord after the crucifixion of the Lamb, partaking of His flesh. His disciples, of which we are included (His disciples, His priests) are to "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." [2 Timothy 2:15]. We should be able to fill that role, to be approved unto God.

    It isn't that others weren't allowed...it is that others were not workmen that could absorb, understand, the flesh/Word of the Lord...the sanctified flesh of the sin offering. We are to be those workmen. We are among His holy nation. We are His peculiar people IF we are His, IF we obey His voice, IF we keep His commandments.
    Exodus 19:5-6 Now therefore, if ye will obey My voice indeed, and keep My covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto Me above all people: for all the earth is Mine: And ye shall be unto Me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

    Deuteronomy 14:2 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God, and the Lord hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto Himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

    Deuteronomy 26:18 And the Lord hath avouched thee this day to be His peculiar people, as He hath promised thee, and that thou shouldest keep all His commandments;
    Those that see that referring only to the Israelites are mistaken for those words are found in the New Testament...they pertain to us:
    Titus 2:14 Who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto Himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

    1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of Him who hath called you out of darkness into His marvellous light;


    LOL. Sorry but come on. There is only one way to not kill, not have another God before you, to not lie, steal, cheat. There is only one way to carry them out.




    The glaring example you've given isn't applicable. What the law of the land allows or disallows is...the law of the land. The laws of God are His no matter what land one lives in.
     
  16. YeShallTread

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    LOL. Sure Bugkiller. If you can't refute it just call it absurd.
     
  17. YeShallTread

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    LOL...I hope neither of us ever discover the truth about the taste of buzzard. I too ate pork, shellfish, etc. but then I realized I was one of His "peculiar people." As such, we are to purify our bodies and our spirits.

    Titus 2:14 Who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto Himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
    It was a strong realization, one not taught by man but only by His Word and the Holy Spirit. I have never looked back...even when I smell bacon frying which is a very compelling aroma.



    Then you disagree with His Word. It is your choice.



    Many things may have an appealing taste but...are terrible for us both physically, emotionally and spiritually. Pornography may be appealing to one's eyes but...harms one's spirit. Swine may taste delicious but harm one's body. False teaching may tickle one's ear but...destroy one's soul if it is believed and followed.

    There are choices in life. Simple enjoyment of things isn't always the right choice to make.


    Yes, I agree but that is the fault of man. It is the same with certain crops...intended to be consumed but once sprayed, fertilized, etc. they are no longer the healthy food God intended. Milk, beef, etc. has the same problem. The feed given our animals is filled with hormones and other ingredients (even dead animals) so they too are not healthy for us. The solution would be to raise our own. Difficult or perhaps impossible but we can at least know our sources...buy locally and pray. :prayer:




    LOL. Unless starving I'm afraid the grasshopper would be safe around me, except maybe except for being squashed to keep them out of the garden.

    A few days ago I watched a show on tv...Hog chasers or something like that. I was given a Louisiana Catahoula Hound puppy a few months ago and heard they were bred to kill wild hogs. So, I watched the show to see how they operated. They are very impressive hunters. Then I watched "Swamp People" where men hunt gators. (I promise this rambling will make sense in a minute).

    My point is this...the men hunting the gators decided to first shoot a wild boar hog to use as bait to entice the gators. Why? Because it is so foul. The smellier, more rotten, the better it is when baiting gators, crabs, and other creatures we aren't to eat.

    The hunters succeeded...shot the boar, removed it's liver (which is what they used for bait) and said....Now we'll put the rest of him in the freezer to eat. :doh: They know how foul it was...even commenting on it's smell, on the fact that it consumes anything in it's path (all kinds of garbage...even living creatures) and yet were going to package him up to eat at a later date. Go figure.
     
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  18. Rick Otto

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    Waitin' 'til they're too hungry to think that much about what they're eating.
     
  19. YeShallTread

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    That is a valid point. One I hope I am never faced with. Would I eat rabbit, pork, shrimp? Yes, if I was starving and that was available...I would.

    As I said, I believe their consumption over long terms causes illness. What it points to, which is consuming toxic teaching, God promises won't harm us if we have truth. We can drink their poisons without fear.
    Mark 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

    Another consideration is found here....

    Luke 10:7-9 And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house. And into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you:

    1 Corinthians 10:27 If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake.
    Taken at face value, it appears that rather than upset those we teach we should partake of what they offer. But, that doesn't mean to whole-heartedly partake of those things whenever and wherever. Rather it is to do it for a purpose and that purpose is in doing God's work.
     
  20. Rick Otto

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    Moderation is a nice tool to have. I have deep sympathies for the Pork Chopians & Baconarians as well as the Ribbitarians on theis issue, but being on the Prairie, it's relatively easy for me to be an anti-Shellfisharian.
    I did a severe double take when I first got to Omaha. I saw seagulls. sandpipers, & even pelicans that had followed the Mississippi River up to the Missouri River & then up to Nebraska.
    I do try to back-off the swine as well as all meat in general, these days.
     
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