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Featured If Jesus took the punishment for all sinners, why doesn't he go to Hell?

Discussion in 'Christian Philosophy & Ethics' started by 7bjoern7, Mar 18, 2019.

  1. miknik5

    miknik5 "Let not your heart be troubled"

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    Elisha wanted a double portion of Elijah’s spirit. He didn’t understand that it was God’sSpirit in Elijah

    And what did Elijah tell him the requirements of this difficult request?


    It’s a picture and prophecy of the TRUTH
     
  2. miknik5

    miknik5 "Let not your heart be troubled"

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    Stop viewing Jesus as equal to us, as “just a man”.

    GOD’s plan was from the beginning and Jesus, who being in the form God, came in our likeness, so as to bring those who would believe, back to GOD

    Believe the Gospel.
    Read and pray and keep reading and praying.
     
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  3. Jonaitis

    Jonaitis Sleep is for the weak

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    Okay, does this bother you?
     
  4. RDKirk

    RDKirk Alien, Pilgrim, and Sojourner Supporter

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    No, it doesn't bother me.
     
  5. Jonaitis

    Jonaitis Sleep is for the weak

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    I agree with you, Jesus would likely not have used Hades.
     
  6. Hawkins

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    What's in OP is not how justification is made. An analogy is as follows,

    A nest of bees stung humans and will be put to fire to be destroyed. However local law says that if a human is willing make a self-sacrifice by donating his house to the victims, he can spare the nest of bees from being burnt. He can then put the nest of bees in a safe location where the bees can continue to live but without harming any humans.

    The above shows a reasonable justification for the lives of bees and the sacrifice of a much more superior and precious human. The justification doesn't lie on burning a human for the bees.
     
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  7. The Righterzpen

    The Righterzpen Jesus is my Shield in any Desert or Storm

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    I'd have to take a closer look at Jeremiah 48. Sometimes things portrayed historically; yet in parabolic form, can give us information that we might not catch otherwise because the point of the record of Scripture was not just about people in Edom being conquered and not being able to make food.
     
  8. Natsumi Lam

    Natsumi Lam Preparer of the Bride Supporter

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    Death and Hades has not been cast into the lake of fire yet.
     
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  9. devin553344

    devin553344 I believe in the Resurrection

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    Good point. I'll consider it then :)
     
  10. miknik5

    miknik5 "Let not your heart be troubled"

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    Those hidden in the refuge provided are justified
     
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  11. The Righterzpen

    The Righterzpen Jesus is my Shield in any Desert or Storm

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    Yet if the sin of the unregenerate is not atoned for; that is their final end - whether they are there now or not.

    So if you believe Jesus paid for your sin; that would have to encompass the entirety of that payment through the course of time and eternity. Which would HAVE to mean; Jesus dealt with the second death.
     
  12. Natsumi Lam

    Natsumi Lam Preparer of the Bride Supporter

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    He did not go to the second death himself. It hasnt happened yet with death and hades thrown into the fiery lake.
     
  13. The Righterzpen

    The Righterzpen Jesus is my Shield in any Desert or Storm

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    Jesus is the "lamb slain from the foundations of the world" (Revelation 13:8) If there was no world yet; how is the lamb slain?
     
  14. mmksparbud

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    It was already decided then.
     
  15. The Righterzpen

    The Righterzpen Jesus is my Shield in any Desert or Storm

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    No, that's not what it says. He hadn't "decided" to be the lamb slain - He was the lamb slain. The atonement was not something that took place only inside of time. There is an eternal dimension to it. And this is why we see things in the Old Testament like Job saying "I know my Redeemer lives."
     
  16. Natsumi Lam

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    You are not even quoting the verse correctly.

    8 And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, [every one] whose name hath not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that hath been slain.
     
  17. The Righterzpen

    The Righterzpen Jesus is my Shield in any Desert or Storm

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    7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

    8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

    9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

    King James
     
  18. The Righterzpen

    The Righterzpen Jesus is my Shield in any Desert or Storm

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    Look at the Greek. The book was not written from the foundation of the world; the lamb was slain from the foundations of the world.

    Both links below will take you to the Greek.

    Revelation 13:8 Interlinear: And bow before it shall all who are dwelling upon the land, whose names have not been written in the scroll of the life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world;

    Revelation 13:8 (KJV)
     
  19. Unnamed Guy

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    In the 19th century Americans started moving west and three institutions went with them. There was vaudeville, traveling entertainment. There was lyceum, traveling education and culture. And there was the itinerant preacher, offering a new style of preaching called "hell fire and brim stone". It was very entertaining, only loosely based on scripture, and pastors didn't even try to compete. Instead they switched to preaching public morality and philosophy. Eventually an entire generation grew up not knowing the first thing about the religion they claimed to believe. That is why most Christian churches don't teach doctrines, and most members don't know what they are supposed to believe.

    You need to study your bible and learn the doctrines. There is nothing in your question that relates to Christianity.

    It is not reliable to let people tell you what the bible says. Many people will make up stuff because they don't know what it says, and many will make up stuff because they wish it would not say what it says. You just have to read it for yourself. Read a chapter of Proverbs every day. Proverbs has 31 chapters so you can keep your place by just looking at a calendar. There is no religion or nothing in Proverbs and you don't have to believe anything. Just read to find wisdom. When you are comfortable with that, then read the bible from Romans to 2 Thessalonians over and over until you start to remember passages. That is the part that applies to Christians.
     
  20. 7bjoern7

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    I've read quite often the new Testament. According to my translation, everyone without Jesus is going to the Lake of Fire to be tormented in eternity. But i think i stated it in my first post, that i start to mistrust the bible, like not entirely, but i think that a very small percentage might be falsified by satan. And that could result like in a mathematical function. It could be very long, and good and right, but if there is a single signedness error the function could go in the negative instead of the positive. The devil is in the detail.

    And in any german translation, as iam german, you don't find the term "lucifer". But instead you find the morning star. Who else is described as the morning star? Jesus calls himself morningstar. Is Jesus Lucifer? There is a whole lot of deception out there, that's why i don't want to blindly trust. There is a german bible with a hidden reversed pentagram on it's front cover. If satan can infiltrate one translation, can he also infiltrate others? Possibly. That's why i wrote: the early disciples didn't have a new testament, but they had the holy spirit to guide them. And I pray to be led in all truth and more and more lies are revealed to my mind....
     
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