I Guess Trans-Racial Is A Thing Now.

[Aldebaran]

so you adopted a child from another country & know what you're talking about?

What is Transracial Adoption? - Adoption and Surrogacy Choices of Colorado


"What is Transracial Adoption?
To put it simply, transracial adoption happens when an adoptive family of one racial background adopts a child from another racial background. In other words, it is the merging of racial experiences and cultures within the adoption process"

Ok, but what we're talking about here is someone who is clearly white, but identifying as black. It's much the same as trans sexual, where men identify as women, and vice versa. The athlete in question could have even been adopted into a black family, although I haven't looked into that. However, I don't see how that would qualify her as being black as an individual.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Ok, but what we're talking about here is someone who is clearly white, but identifying as black. It's much the same as trans sexual, where men identify as women, and vice versa. The athlete in question could have even been adopted into a black family, although I haven't looked into that. However, I don't see how that would qualify her as being black as an individual.

This reminds me of the movie "The Jerk"

 

[mama2one]

nm

 

[RDKirk]

Ok, but what we're talking about here is someone who is clearly white, but identifying as black. It's much the same as trans sexual, where men identify as women, and vice versa. The athlete in question could have even been adopted into a black family, although I haven't looked into that. However, I don't see how that would qualify her as being black as an individual.

If she has a definitely ADOS parent or grandparent...which she has, she's got definite DNA traceable to Sub-Saharan African tribes. That is not in any way the same thing as a transsexual, whose DNA reveals a different physical sex than they identify with.

 

[RDKirk]

It takes a long time to reach that point. She looks Caucasian. Fair-skinned blacks have a hue that differs from whiteness. Whether they’re mixed race or not.

Back in the day, if she had been passing as white, we'd look at her side-eyed and say, "Hmm. Looks like she's got some 'tone' in her to me." She does not look fully Caucasian to me, although if she said she were mixed with South Asian or Polynesian, I would not be able to dispute that by appearance.

There were a lot of ADOS families whose ancestors had carefully used the "paper bag test" to develop a lineage that was a light-skinned as possible, but the old black folks could tell.

This has become an unfortunate new dispute among ADOS provoked by the growing number of biracial people born after 1970 who identify as "biracial" rather than black (as had biracial children born before 1970 had done, necessarily, because that was society's view of them).

So, many young Millennial blacks are pushing the definition of "black" in the other direction, excluding biracials and even going so far to say that someone like me (20% Scottish, according to my DNA) isn't black but rather "multi-generational biracial." Which is absurd.

 

[Aldebaran]

Back in the day, if she had been passing as white, we'd look at her side-eyed and say, "Hmm. Looks like she's got some 'tone' in her to me." She does not look fully Caucasian to me, although if she said she were mixed with South Asian or Polynesian, I would not be able to dispute that by appearance.

There were a lot of ADOS families whose ancestors had carefully used the "paper bag test" to develop a lineage that was a light-skinned as possible, but the old black folks could tell.

This has become an unfortunate new dispute among ADOS provoked by the growing number of biracial people born after 1970 who identify as "biracial" rather than black (as had biracial children born before 1970 had done, necessarily, because that was society's view of them).

So, many young Millennial blacks are pushing the definition of "black" in the other direction, excluding biracials and even going so far to say that someone like me (20% Scottish, according to my DNA) isn't black but rather "multi-generational biracial." Which is absurd.

What's really unfortunate is that these discussions have to be had. I'd like to know why this woman can't just be an Olympian who is competing on behalf of the United States. Why is the big headline that she "is making history" (a worn-out term) just because of the color of people in her ancestry. What the heck difference does it make? Does it make her less capable, and therefore it's something special that she's on the team? If a distant ancestor hadn't been black, they wouldn't be saying she made history. Instead of emphasizing her performance or achievements, the focus is on what color her skin barely is. If I were her, I'd feel rather insulted by the focus on that. Athletes work hard to get where they are--especially Olympic athletes. To be reduced to a skin color that it takes a second and third look to notice, and held up as "making history" for that reason alone is demeaning to her actual accomplishments.

 

[Yarddog]

View attachment 312663 https://www.teamusa.org/News/2022/February/09/Meet-Kelly-Curtis-USA-Skeletons-First-Black-Olympian

Kelly Curtis, the 1st US Black skeleton Olympian, blazes new trail

Kelly Curtis Is Team USA's First Black Athlete to Ever Compete in Olympic Skeleton


Happy Black History month everyone! No...this is not a joke. Yes, the first "black" skeleton Olympian is not black at all. Notice how every news outlet, to include Fox News, is going along with it. Can someone please tell me what is going on in this clown world? I would really like to hear from progressives. Will Biden nominate someone like her as the first "black female" Supreme Court justice?

She is truly an African-American. Many people look at skin color to decide white or black ethnicity when it doesn't tell the story.

 

[RDKirk]

What's really unfortunate is that these discussions have to be had. I'd like to know why this woman can't just be an Olympian who is competing on behalf of the United States. Why is the big headline that she "is making history" (a worn-out term) just because of the color of people in her ancestry. What the heck difference does it make? Does it make her less capable, and therefore it's something special that she's on the team? If a distant ancestor hadn't been black, they wouldn't be saying she made history. Instead of emphasizing her performance or achievements, the focus is on what color her skin barely is. If I were her, I'd feel rather insulted by the focus on that. Athletes work hard to get where they are--especially Olympic athletes. To be reduced to a skin color that it takes a second and third look to notice, and held up as "making history" for that reason alone is demeaning to her actual accomplishments.

What makes Kelly Curtis pseudo-significant in this respect is that an American black person is opening a door into a different winter sport, which is an entirely separate topic. You don't see black people from anywhere participating in the winter Olympics to the extent that we do in the summer Olympics. There was even a whole movie spurred by the first black bobsledding team.

But IMO opinion, that's a matter of culture (base ethnic culture often being influenced by the location in that culture developed, plus adoption of the culture of one's current location) rather than any general genetic capability.

 

[Justin-H.S.]

According to Ancestry.com, I'm 1% black so Happy Black History Month to me.

Also, Black Lives Matter

 

[Torah Keeper]

She looks like she could possibly be 25% black at the most, maybe. That is really absurd when someone who is 3/4 or more European chooses to identify as African, and more absurd that the media goes along with it.

Now, if she was "mixed race", as she is, then it wouldn't make headlines, would it?

Clearly this is a pathetic attempt to try and say she is making history for Africans, when in fact she is just another athlete.

As to why there are so few Africans in the Winter Olympics, I think it's because they live in Africa, duh! I don't see much Eskimo surfers. I wonder why? Hmm...

 

[sfs]

She looks like she could possibly be 25% black at the most, maybe. That is really absurd when someone who is 3/4 or more European chooses to identify as African, and more absurd that the media goes along with it.

Your point would be valid if it were not for several centuries of US history, in which people with 3/4 or more European ancestry had no choice about whether to be identified as African or not, and who were systematically deprived of rights based on that identification. Are you unaware of this well-known aspect of US history? If so, why are you commenting about an issue when you lack the most basic knowledge needed to understand it?

 

[Torah Keeper]

An African-American is a person with dual citizenship in both America and some African country. Just because someone's ancestor came to America 400 years ago, doesn't make their descendant "African-American".

If you think about it, every American, should he hyphenated too, right? It's crazy. So should "white" people identify as "European-American"?

All these false labels just divide people. It creates an "us vs them" mentality that encourages racism.

I don't identify as an "English-Irish-French-Spanish-Portugese-Cherokee-American".

 

[Torah Keeper]

Your point would be valid if it were not for several centuries of US history, in which people with 3/4 or more European ancestry had no choice about whether to be identified as African or not, and who were systematically deprived of rights based on that identification. Are you unaware of this well-known aspect of US history? If so, why are you commenting about an issue when you lack the most basic knowledge needed to understand it?

I am aware of the one drop rule. Stop with the arrogant attitude. You need to understand most anyone who isn't a neo-Nazi does not believe in the one drop rule today. This is 2022, not 1865 or 1940. The girl ain't black.

 

[sfs]

I am aware of the one drop rule. Stop with the arrogant attitude.

You were the one who presumed to label someone else's self-identification as a pathetic attempt. That was arrogant and offensive.

You need to understand most anyone who isn't a neo-Nazi does not believe in the one drop rule today. This is 2022, not 1865 or 1940.

Quite true. But the effects of those centuries of history on people's identity, on their culture, and on social attitudes did not vanish overnight.

 

[Yarddog]

She looks like she could possibly be 25% black at the most, maybe. That is really absurd when someone who is 3/4 or more European chooses to identify as African, and more absurd that the media goes along with it.

Now, if she was "mixed race", as she is, then it wouldn't make headlines, would it?

Clearly this is a pathetic attempt to try and say she is making history for Africans, when in fact she is just another athlete.

As to why there are so few Africans in the Winter Olympics, I think it's because they live in Africa, duh! I don't see much Eskimo surfers. I wonder why? Hmm...

African-American athletes dominate sports in America so why aren't they doing it in winter sports? This girl is proud of her genealogy so if she wants to embrace that, more power to her
.

 

[Derek1111]

To me, this whole thread reads as existential, pearl-clutching angst in search of something to get upset about. People who don't look like we want them to, saying they're something we don't think they should resemble? When they look more like us than them? Pass the smelling salts!

 

[Yarddog]

An African-American is a person with dual citizenship in both America and some African country.

That is incorrect. An African-American is an American whose genealogy traces to Africa, usually Sub Saharan Africa.

Just because someone's ancestor came to America 400 years ago, doesn't make their descendant "African-American".

 

[RDKirk]

That is incorrect. An African-American is an American whose genealogy traces to Africa, usually Sub Saharan Africa.

With the current disingenuous obfuscation being thrown around the word, I don't bother arguing the point with people who are intending to derail the debate. "American Descendents of Slavery" is accurate.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

She is truly an African-American. Many people look at skin color to decide white or black ethnicity when it doesn't tell the story.

A white guy immigration to the united states from south Africa is "African american", still doesn't make him " black" though.

 

[Yarddog]

A white guy immigration to the united states from south Africa is "African american", still doesn't make him " black" though.

A white guy from So. Africa is of European descent. Her father is of mixed race and considered black by most Americans, just as Obama was. The term "white" did not start to take hold in Europe until the late 17th century as slavery increased in Europe and the colonies. Ms. Kelly is of African descent and proud of being that.