I Guess Trans-Racial Is A Thing Now.

[RDKirk]

If biden made someone who looked just like her the next SCOTUS justice, do you believe the Leftists that were so adamant about biden getting a black woman into the Court would be satisfied with that decision?

What I said earlier in post #25:

This has become an unfortunate new dispute among ADOS provoked by the growing number of biracial people born after 1970 who identify as "biracial" rather than black (as had biracial children born before 1970 had done, necessarily, because that was society's view of them).

So, many young Millennial blacks are pushing the definition of "black" in the other direction, excluding biracials and even going so far to say that someone like me (20% Scottish, according to my DNA) isn't black but rather "multi-generational biracial." Which is absurd.

The US is, unfortunately, creating more racial distinctions rather than fewer. Prior to the 90s, "biracial" was not a thing. A partly black person was considered black. White mothers made their "biracial" children a socially distinct racial group in the 90s, and because white women control casting selection in the media, biracial women have mostly replaced darker women in the media.

That is a huge current matter of discussion in ADOS ranks right now, which is the reason Millennial blacks are declaring a reverse of the one-drop rule: A partly white person can't be "black."

I probably won't live long enough to see how this pans out.

 

[mama2one]

That is a huge current matter of discussion in ADOS ranks right now, which is the reason Millennial blacks are declaring a reverse of the one-drop rule: A partly white person can't be "black."

two families in my neighborhood where the kids have white mothers/black fathers

all 4 kids have very dark colored skin
no one would know they have white mothers

 

[BasedLuther]

The degeneracy of the West is advancing more and more rapidly.

 

[dzheremi]

What I said earlier in post #25:



The US is, unfortunately, creating more racial distinctions rather than fewer. Prior to the 90s, "biracial" was not a thing. A partly black person was considered black. White mothers made their "biracial" children a socially distinct racial group in the 90s, and because white women control casting selection in the media, biracial women have mostly replaced darker women in the media.

That is a huge current matter of discussion in ADOS ranks right now, which is the reason Millennial blacks are declaring a reverse of the one-drop rule: A partly white person can't be "black."

I probably won't live long enough to see how this pans out.

Why is it a post-1970 thing in particular? I only personally know one person who is a result of black and white unions -- a woman a few years younger than me who I met as an undergrad in college (I'm 39, just for reference, so she would fall into this post-1970 group) -- and I remember one day she came to class in a home made t-shirt that was made to look like a checkerboard with one out of every eight squares filled in black. It was odd-looking, for sure, so I asked her what it meant. Her reply made it seem obvious: "It's me. I'm 1/8th black." I never asked her if she self-identified as black on forms or whatever (this was slightly before the current post-Ferguson era, in 2007-2009), but it seemed from things like the t-shirt (and just looking at her; she was considerably darker than Ms. Curtis' father) that she probably would have. Is my friend an outlier with regard to how younger ADOS identify? It seems hard to imagine that things would change so much so quickly. I hope that the current discussion is less racist than the analogous discussion I remember as a youngster among some Hispanics I knew (no idea if it's still like this, since all my Mexican relatives are now dead, but when I was much younger it was considered a good thing to have light-skinned kids, and people would openly say so more frequently than you might expect; my own grandmother -- herself a mestiza/mixed indigenous and European -- had many good things to say about a girl I dated about 20 years ago because she was Mexican but she was 'light', so our kids would be 'güeros'/fair-skinned ).

 

[RDKirk]

Why is it a post-1970 thing in particular? I only personally know one person who is a result of black and white unions -- a woman a few years younger than me who I met as an undergrad in college (I'm 39, just for reference, so she would fall into this post-1970 group) -- and I remember one day she came to class in a home made t-shirt that was made to look like a checkerboard with one out of every eight squares filled in black. It was odd-looking, for sure, so I asked her what it meant. Her reply made it seem obvious: "It's me. I'm 1/8th black." I never asked her if she self-identified as black on forms or whatever (this was slightly before the current post-Ferguson era, in 2007-2009), but it seemed from things like the t-shirt (and just looking at her; she was considerably darker than Ms. Curtis' father) that she probably would have. Is my friend an outlier with regard to how younger ADOS identify? It seems hard to imagine that things would change so much so quickly. I hope that the current discussion is less racist than the analogous discussion I remember as a youngster among some Hispanics I knew (no idea if it's still like this, since all my Mexican relatives are now dead, but when I was much younger it was considered a good thing to have light-skinned kids, and people would openly say so more frequently than you might expect; my own grandmother -- herself a mestiza/mixed indigenous and European -- had many good things to say about a girl I dated about 20 years ago because she was Mexican but she was 'light', so our kids would be 'güeros'/fair-skinned ).

Remember that interracial marriages were illegal in 19 states before 1967, and were discouraged by the strongest social strictures everywhere else. There were very, very few interracial marriages before 1970...the vast majority of "light-skinned" blacks born prior to the 70s were from careful marriages of light-skinned blacks to light-skinned blacks.

A white person marrying black before the 70s essentially lost his or her "white card"--such a person was treated as though black--losing jobs, having to live in black areas of the city, et cetera. Their children were considered black.

That's why you will see biracial Boomers and X-Genners most often identifying as black--because in their youth, that's how they were seen and treated by society...and their parents understood that.

It wasn't until the 90s that interracial marriages had become common enough, and integration had become pervasive enough, that white people no longer lost their "white cards" when they married black partners. Those newer, younger white partners (particular white mothers) no longer allowed their children to be considered "black," but began to push "biracial" as a social distinction.

It has also been noted that it does make a difference whether the white parent is the mother or father. Children take much of their identity from their mothers, and children with a black mother will more often identify as black, while children with a white mother will more often identify as biracial. However, individual experiences do weigh heavily. In the case of actor Jesse Williams, for instance, his own personal experiences have caused him to identify as black despite having a white mother.

That may very well be the situation with Kelly Curtis. She may have had some very specific personal experiences that have emphasized the blackness in her heritage, even though it's slight by appearance.

 

[Yarddog]

Well...i am black. So...?

And? You are of African descent. Do you have genetics from other races?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

And? You are of African descent. Do you have genetics from other races?

Doesn't matter. It is likely that I know about racism better than you or your grandfather. I know more about what constitutes as black from a black perspective.

 

[Yarddog]

Doesn't matter. It is likely that I know about racism better than you or your grandfather. I know more about what constitutes as black from a black perspective.

I agree but you don't know about racism any more than my friends that are black.

Blacks, just like whites, have different opinions on the subject.