How to walk in the Spirit.

[BNR32FAN]

No i didnt say that.

I said we have copies of copies of the Greek.
There are no original manuscripts of the Apostles letters.
In other words, there are no original Apostle's letters at all.

Yes you did, you said that they were not originally written in Greek they were translated into Greek.

The GREEK isn't the original ,its the translation of the Original letters, into the Greek.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I teach Paul.
Paul isn't a Catholic, in case you didn't know it.
Jesus also isn't a Catholic.
Mary isn't a Catholic.
There are no Catholics in Heaven. There are no denominations in Heaven.
In Heaven, we will find God, Christ, the Host of Heaven ,and the Born Again.

The apostolic Church of God adopted the name Catholic some time between 107AD and 170AD. Do you even know what the word Catholic means and why they called the Church Catholic?

 

[fhansen]

MacArthur is difficult to figure out. He's totally against both Eastern and Western Catholicism and teaches once saved always saved, but also pretty much spearheaded the current Protestant teaching of Lordship Salvation, which after reading a lot of what you've said, sounds an awful lot like Catholicism. Now Steve Gregg who also teaches Lordship Salvation, also teaches being saved comes with an obligation and you can fail to persevere and lose your salvation.

I'm sure you'll like this short as well.

Yes, he had some good input. I appreciated how he fleshed out the concept of faith more than some, including the inseparability of it from works, but most particularly perhaps that he identified it at one point as relationship with God.

 

[Ligurian]

If you dont come to understand that what Jesus spoke to the House of Israel, has to be "rightly divided" by the Light of the Cross, then you'll end up staying confused regarding why Paul told you to do this...
""" Be a follower of ME, as I follow Christ".
See, thats not a suggestion.....
Study that out.

Peter(aka.Mark)1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom of God, 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the Kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the Gospel.
16 Now as he walked by the sea of Galilee, he saw Simon and Andrew his brother casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers. 17 And Jesus said unto them, Come ye after Me, and I will make you to become fishers of men.

 

[Ligurian]

Lets be honest and use common sense.
How many people on this forum, read Greek or Hebrew, fluently?

And you , just like Clare73, have confused reading the translation of a Greek Translator, in your greek commentary or bible that shows the greek words, as you reading it.
You're not reading it.
You are reading the translators translation.

So, its inane and immature to suggest that believers are to read greek, when 99.9% can't read it.

If you want pick at nits, you'd have to own a 2000 year-old Greek Dictionary and have the original texts. We both kinda know that ain't happenin', right? You make the line wherever you feel comfortable and I will continue to soldier on.

It seems to me that you don't want people to do their own thinking... hence your snarky epithet "inane and immature". When in reality, we both know that it's the mature people who care enough to go to the source, rather than let ourselves be hand-fed by someone who ain't necessarily looking out for our interests. There's a pretty good case to be made for not having human teachers. The Good Shepherd died for us... none of the hirelings will.

 

[Ligurian]

Nice verse.

Wouldn't think you'd be in favor of it, since it cuts Paul out of the mix.

 

[fhansen]

In any case, yes, I get tired of the misuse and overuse of the born-again term from those who claim 100% certainty of salvation. I believe that causes more confusion and is more harmful than any language I might've used. Folks just need to get real with themselves IMO.

Could you elaborate on some that please?

I used to attend a Pentecostal church where people-sometimes pastors- often questioned if so and so was born again or sought to confirm if I was born again, or saved, or among the elect, or Spirit-filled, or…however you want to put it. And many of the congregation seemed to be vying for some kind of pecking order with the pastors, each seeking to prove to them and each other-and to themselves, maybe- that they were the real thing. And while I never took this super seriously it finally hit me how bogus the whole thing was-along with the Spirit-led “evidence” they demonstrated during services in their particular case.

Anyway, Christianity involves hearing about and coming to know the true God, an incredibly awesome God, a God of love and mercy and patience and goodness and kindness and infinite trustworthiness. That’s what His Son came to do, to reveal and reconcile us with Him. And while some experience profound and dramatic conversions, doing an about-face in their life-style, especially if coming off a life steeped in serious sin, most of us simply believe, and strive for holiness and to know God and His will better in one way or another. And all of us will still struggle with sin either way.

So from our perspective Christianity is about “getting right” with God, then living that way- as His child, a new creation-the best we can with what He gives us, producing fruit as He wills. We’re set apart and yet our “set-apartness” isn’t perfect-we don’t necessarily behave as holy as we know we should. We haven’t yet given ourselves over totally to good; we don’t yet love God with our whole heart, soul, mind, and strength. And to boot we’re limited, as finite beings, in our understanding.

So there’s at least a question, as there should be whether we honestly voice it or not, as to whether we’re really or sufficiently “there”. But we know He’s infinitely good and trustworthy-and wants all to be saved. And that salvation, as Kallistos Ware characterized it, is most aptly described as a journey, than as an all at once completed event that we can have absolute perfect certitude about.

 

[ozso]

Yes, he had some good input. I appreciated how he fleshed out the concept of faith more than some, including the inseparability of it from works, but most particularly perhaps that he identified it at one point as relationship with God.

I can't imagine not having a relationship where you're talking to and praying to God on a regular basis. That's the least one can do and still say 'I'm a Christian'.

 

[fhansen]

I can't imagine not having a relationship where you're and talking to and praying to God on a regular basis. That's the least one can do and still say 'I'm a Christian'.

It's the direct connection of faith, itself, with relationship, with union, rather than with, say, belief only, that helps us to better understand faith and its purpose. The problem is that there are differing ways that faith is understood out there, along with the doctrine of Sola Fide, and some are stifled or less comprehensive. Stating things rightly is always beneficial.-and the way he put it is rarely heard as I've seen it.

 

[ozso]

I used to attend a Pentecostal church where people-sometimes pastors- often questioned if so and so was born again or sought to confirm if I was born again, or saved, or among the elect, or Spirit-filled, or…however you want to put it. And many of the congregation seemed to be vying for some kind of pecking order with the pastors, each seeking to prove to them and each other-and to themselves, maybe- that they were the real thing. And while I never took this super seriously it finally hit me how bogus the whole thing was-along with the Spirit-led “evidence” they demonstrated during services in their particular case.

Anyway, Christianity involves hearing about and coming to know the true God, an incredibly awesome God, a God of love and mercy and patience and goodness and kindness and infinite trustworthiness. That’s what His Son came to do, to reveal and reconcile us with Him. And while some experience profound and dramatic conversions, doing an about-face in their life-style now especially if coming off a life steeped in serious sin, most of us simply believe, and strive for holiness and to know God and His will better in one way or another. And all of us will still struggle with sin either way.

So from our perspective Christianity is about “getting right” with God, then living that way- as His child, a new creation-the best we can with what He gives us, producing fruit as He wills. We’re set apart and yet our “set-apartness” isn’t perfect-we don’t necessarily behave as holy as we know we should. We haven’t yet given ourselves over totally to good; we don’t yet love God with our whole heart, soul, mind, and strength. And to boot we’re limited, as finite beings, in our understanding.

So there’s at least a question, as there should be whether we honestly voice it or not, as to whether we’re really or sufficiently “there”. But we know He’s infinitely good and trustworthy-and wants all to be saved. And that salvation, as Kallistos Ware characterized it, is most aptly described as a journey, than as an all at once completed event that we can have absolute perfect certitude about.

Indeed. I agree with that wholeheartedly. I was fortunate in having been taught that from the beginning. Growing up the family pastor happened to be John MacArthur. And churches I attended after I grew up and moved away had solid teaching. And all the Christians I've known have been genuine as far as I can tell. So bad Christians and poor teaching isn't something I've had much personal experience with. The closest I've come to it is listening to bits of TV prosperity preachers.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Lets be honest and use common sense.
How many people on this forum, read Greek or Hebrew, fluently?

And you , just like Clare73, have confused reading the translation of a Greek Translator, in your greek commentary or bible that shows the greek words, as you reading it.
You're not reading it.
You are reading the translators translation.

So, its inane and immature to suggest that believers are to read greek, when 99.9% can't read it.

You really need to look at the concordances and lexicons. There are several out there that were translated by several different scholars that all agree with each other on the definitions of the Greek words. They are dictionaries of the Greek language that give the English definition.

 

[Sidon]

Well, yeah, as I’ve been insisting. It’d be impossible to have any righteousness and practice it unless God gives that to us. Once He does so, however, we must practice it,

You can't practice God's Righteousness.
See, its God's and you are not Him.
What you can do, is work on your discipleship, which is to "present your body a living sacrifice" as your "take up your Cross daily'.
But, you are to never trust in this to have anything to do with being "made Righteous".
As that is God's part, and you can't do that part.

 

[Sidon]

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[Sidon]

You have a habit of putting your own words into other people's mouths

I never do that.
What i do is quote and respond.
Same as in this post.
I let you keep your own words...

And also...
You have a habit of not just saying....."Ok i see that".
Instead you just want to try to win an argument, that you can't win.
See, you can't present a gospel that is superior than the Blood of Jesus.
So, just give that up.
See, you are in an argument, as that is why you are on the forum. You just want to argue., and im not here for that., not at all.

 

[fhansen]

You can't practice God's Righteousness.
See, its God's and you are not Him.

Well, no-again. It's both, because faith, hope, and love are all gifts-and human choices, and they pretty well define man's righteousness with love the most important of them all. Our eyeballs are His as well, but in that case we have no choice but to have and use them-unless we decide to just keep them shut I guess.

 

[Sidon]

Redeemed from the curse of the law is not the same as redeemed from the law.

The reason Christ had to redeem the world from the curse of the law, is because its the law that has judged us ALL as sinners.
Where there is no law there is no sin. So, the law exposes us in our unrighteousness, which is the first curse, and the 2nd part is that "the power of sin IS THE LAW".

So, when a believer is trying to keep the law and commandments, to STAY SAVED or to BE SAVED, they are "fallen from Grace"..."bewitched", and "in the FLESH".

 

[Sidon]

Same long-time unanswered question as in my post quoted above:

How do the 12 Pauline texts in my post quoted above explicitly fit into your teaching?
.

Your first 12 and the next 56 verses you will misuse and post to try to prove that you are working to try to be holy, proves that you do not understand that when you are "made righteous", this is not the same thing....

See, you are confusing Salvation, that God provides, with discipleship that you provide God.

They are not the same thing, Clare73.

Salvation is all of God and none of you.
Discipleship is all of you with God's help.

 

[Sidon]

Yes you did, you said that they were not originally written in Greek they were translated into Greek.

"Koine Greek".
Paul wrote in this language, and later the "greek manuscripts", which are copies of copies, of the Original letters, are what we have, other the things like the Vulgate.

So my point is..
Do you speak Greek?
Does the world speak Koine Greek?
So, why does God put English bibles, english language, as the common bible, in these end times?
Why is that?
Is God stupid? Do we need to remind Him that we need our bibles in Koine Greek?
Is tha what you are trying to prove?
Listen..
Its because God knew 2000 yrs ago that ENGLISH would be the language that all people's of the world would want to learn.
Its like the GOLD STANDARD.....Everyone wants to speak in English, just like everyone wants to live in the USA.
God knew this, "according to FOREKNOWLEDGE"< and that is why your ENGLISH version, is what you want to use.............However, if you speak Koine Greek fluently, and read it fluently, then use it.
NP.

 

[Sidon]

The apostolic Church of God adopted the name Catholic some time between 107AD and 170AD. Do you even know what the word Catholic means and why they called the Church Catholic?

You need me to teach you about the original Catholic Church?
Ok.
In 4-5ad, In Ephesus, the Original leaders/Fathers of the Catholic Church title their religion "The Cult of Mary".
That is the original church Fathers, TITLE for what we now know as the CC.
"The Cult of Mary".

Do the research.
Find out more.

 

[Sidon]

Peter(aka.Mark)1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom of God, 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the Kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the Gospel.
16 Now as he walked by the sea of Galilee, he saw Simon and Andrew his brother casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers. 17 And Jesus said unto them, Come ye after Me, and I will make you to become fishers of men.

The "Gospel" is that "Jesus was crucified, died, and rose again on the 3rd Day".
The "Gospel"< is the "preaching of the Cross".
To believe the Gospel, is to..>"call on the name of Jesus and you shall be saved".
"all that Believe in Jesus, He gives unto them Eternal Life, and they shall never Perish".

Note The CROSS of CHRIST.
There is your "Gospel" in the "time of the Gentiles".
Preach that, and nothing else, and you are preaching the Truth.
Preach any other, and you are this. .. Galatians 1:8