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How much of Matthew 24 is fulfilled

Amount of Matt 24 fulfilled

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How can anyone not see that Luke 21 is about the destruction of Jerusalem that was about to come in that generation as Jesus said it would.
I wonder about that myself.
It is no wonder the apostate non-Christian Jews of today do not see Jesus as their Messiah and Prophet............

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Luk 21:24-28 When did these things happen? When were the Jews redeemed?
:confused: They have not been yet redeemed nor all things yet fulfilled, nor has he come with all the holy angels with him, nor has he yet separated all nations: nor has he yet thrust in his sickle

And then shall they see (kai tote opsontai). As much as to say that it will be not till then. Clearly the promise of the second coming of the Son of man in glory here is pictured as not one certain of immediate realization. The time element is left purposely vague. [RWP]

Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Mat 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the repository; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Rev 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand all the holy angels with him.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlong


Joel (Joe_3:12) pictures the valley of Jehoshaphat as the place of the slaughter of God’s enemies. Cf. Zec_14:4. [RWP]
 
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He-man. Only the REMNANT of Israel in her end times in the 1st century were going to be redeemed. And anyone throughout the centuries who would find life & salvation through faith in Christ.

That was God's Plan from the beginning because He is Sovereign. He would have mercy on whom He would have mercy.

Israel was that "wicked generation" in the 1st century that Jesus said would only get the sign of Jonah.

But God kept the promises to the patriarchs for His name sake. The Hebrew Christians were the remnant saved by grace then.

The rest of the Jews perished in the war or were sold as slaved throughout the Roman empire. Biblical Judaism ended in AD70. Even the Jews today know this, & celebrate with a toast to the end in AD70.

Just for spite, the Jews perpetuate Judaism - called Rabbinic Judaism.
But it's man-made.
God left the temple made with hands & Jews are just the heathen to God. Just like a Hindu or unbelieving Muslim.

Mystery Babylon (old Jerusalem in bondage) is the Mother of Harlots & is the antithesis of the Mother of "us" all- the New Jerusalem saints.

We're in the kingdom of God on earth now.
 
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We're in the kingdom of God on earth now.
:doh:have they yet beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more Has he come yet with all the holy angels with him, has he yet separated all nations: has he yet thrust in his sickle?

And then shall they see (kai tote opsontai). As much as to say that it will be not till then. Clearly the promise of the second coming of the Son of man in glory here is pictured as not one certain of immediate realization. The time element is left purposely vague. [RWP]

Joel (Joe_3:12) pictures the valley of Jehoshaphat as the place of the slaughter of God’s enemies. Cf. Zec_14:4. [RWP]

Isa 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Zec 12:8 In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.

9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.


 
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How can anyone not see that Luke 21 is about the destruction of Jerusalem that was about to come in that generation as Jesus said it would.
Amen! Jesus EXPLICITLY said to His disciples, "And when YOU see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near."

Those who deny that the Olivet Discourse was about God's judgment upon THAT generation has gone through the Dispensationalist's brain washing machine.

 
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have they yet beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more
It says that these things would come to pass in "the last days." Uh, they were in the last days (Hebrews 1:1).
 
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Originally Posted by consigliere31
How can anyone not see that Luke 21 is about the destruction of Jerusalem that was about to come in that generation as Jesus said it would.
Amen! Jesus EXPLICITLY said to His disciples, "And when YOU see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near."

Those who deny that the Olivet Discourse was about God's judgment upon THAT generation has gone through the Dispensationalist's brain washing machine.

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It is also mirroed in Luke 19 :)


Luke 19:43
`Because days shall come upon thee, and thine enemies shall cast around thee a rampart, and compass thee round, and press thee on every side,
Luke 19:44
and lay thee low, and thy children within thee, and they shall not leave in thee a stone upon a stone,
because thou didst not know the time of thy inspection.'

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover ;
and it is deserving of the very particular attention of the reader, that this was the anniversary of that memorable period in which the Jews crucified their Messiah!.........

The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins.................

In executing the command of Titus, relative to the demolition of Jerusalem, the Roman soldiers not only threw down the buildings, but even dug up their foundations, and so completely leveled the whole circuit of the city........

Rev 18:2
and he did cry in might -- a great voice, saying, `Fall, fall did Babylon the great, and she became a habitation of demons, and a hold of every unclean spirit, and a hold of every unclean and hateful bird,
Rev 18:10
from afar having stood because of the fear of her torment, saying, Woe! woe! the great city! Babylon, the strong city!
because in one hour did come thy judgment.


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Amen! Jesus EXPLICITLY said to His disciples, "And when YOU see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near."Those who deny that the Olivet Discourse was about God's judgment upon THAT generation has gone through the Dispensationalist's brain washing machine.
:thumbsup: The third erring system is preterism with its teaching that the Discourse was in the main fulfilled in events around A.D. 70.

Preterism falters hermeneutically in its non-literal interpretation of the prophecy. Pretribulationism responds to the hermeneutical fallacies by interpreting “this generation” in Matt 24:34 to refer to the generation alive when events of the great tribulation take place.

Consistent pretribulationism understands “one taken, one left” and “the fig tree” to refer to events pertaining to the second coming, not the rapture of the church.
First, the Olivet Discourse, found in Matthew 24–25 and parallel passages in Mark and Luke is of vital importance because of who the author is. This is theLord’s ultimate exposition of future events during His time on earth. Second, the Olivet Discourse gives an outline of the future of Israel—a people at the center of much of biblical eschatology.

Third, from a negative side, the Olivet Discourse is important because all incorrect rapture systems go astray in this passage. The Olivet Discourse is thus a monumental passage for the doctrine of eschatology.

John F. M acArthur, The Second Coming (Wheaton , Ill.: Crossway, 1999).
“The Structure and Sequence of Matthew 24:1-41: Interaction with Evangelical Treatments,” Grace Theological Journal 10/1 (1989)
 
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:thumbsup: The third erring system is preterism with its teaching that the Discourse was in the main fulfilled in events around A.D. 70.

Preterism falters hermeneutically in its non-literal interpretation of the prophecy. Pretribulationism responds to the hermeneutical fallacies by interpreting “this generation” in Matt 24:34 to refer to the generation alive when events of the great tribulation take place.
Some could buy that, but do ya think the apostate non-Christian religion of Judaism will ;)

Mat 24:21
"For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Luke 21:23
`And woe to those with child and to those giving suck, in those days;
for there shall be great distress on the land, and wrath on this people;
Rev 7:14
And I said to him, "Sir, you know."
So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
Proof that Matthew 24 was fully fulfilled in 70 AD!

The Destruction Of
JERUSALEM
An Absolute and Irresistible
PROOF OF THE DIVINE ORIGIN OF
CHRISTIANITY:

.......................................Meanwhile the horrors of famine grew still more melancholy and afflictive.
The Jews, for of food were at length compelled to eat their belts, their sandals, the skins of their shields, dried grass, and even the ordure of oxen.

In the depth or this horrible extremity, a Jewess of noble family urged by the intolerable cravings of hunger, slew her infant child, and prepared it for a meal ; and had actually eaten one half thereof, when the soldiers, allured by tile smell of food, threatened her with instant death if she refused to discover it. 'Intimidated by this menace, she immediately produced the remains of her son, which petrified them with horror.




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The third erring system is preterism with its teaching that the Discourse was in the main fulfilled in events around A.D. 70.
Jesus told His disciples that THEY would see all come to pass.

Preterism falters hermeneutically in its non-literal interpretation of the prophecy. Pretribulationism responds to the hermeneutical fallacies by interpreting “this generation” in Matt 24:34 to refer to the generation alive when events of the great tribulation take place.
Your accusation that Preterism is non-literal is blatantly false. Jesus said that evey stone of the temple proper would be thrown down. He was speaking about the temple that the disciples had just admired (Matthew 24:1-2; Mark 13:1-2; Luke 21:5-6). Preterism teaches that every stone of THAT temple was thrown down just as Jesus said. That's literal Bub!

Consistent pretribulationism understands “one taken, one left” and “the fig tree” to refer to events pertaining to the second coming, not the rapture of the church.
The expression "the one taken and the other left" has no reference to the rapture whatsoever. It was Paul who first introduced the rapture. The expression "the one taken and the other left" is explained by Luke to have reference to some Jews being taken captive by the Romans while some others escaped (Luke 21:24).

Second, the Olivet Discourse gives an outline of the future of Israel—a people at the center of much of biblical eschatology.
The Olivet Discourse teaches that Israel had NO future. Jesus said that they would fall by the edge of the sword and would be led away captive into all nations. In other words, they would be dispossessed of the land. Jesus said that their house (family) would be left "DESOLATE." You call that a "future?"​


Third, from a negative side, the Olivet Discourse is important because all incorrect rapture systems go astray in this passage. The Olivet Discourse is thus a monumental passage for the doctrine of eschatology.John F. M acArthur, The Second Coming (Wheaton , Ill.: Crossway, 1999). “The Structure and Sequence of Matthew 24:1-41: Interaction with Evangelical Treatments,” Grace Theological Journal 10/1 (1989)
Again the Olivet Discourse makes no mention of the rapture at all. The rapture teaching was totally new to Paul. And John MacArthur is a false teacher. He teaches that Christ is not King now but is in "exile in heaven." :p
 
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Jesus told His disciples that THEY would see all come to pass.

Your accusation that Preterism is non-literal is blatantly false. Jesus said that evey stone of the temple proper would be thrown down. He was speaking about the temple that the disciples had just admired (Matthew 24:1-2; Mark 13:1-2; Luke 21:5-6). Preterism teaches that every stone of THAT temple was thrown down just as Jesus said. That's literal Bub!

The expression "the one taken and the other left" has no reference to the rapture whatsoever. It was Paul who first introduced the rapture. The expression "the one taken and the other left" is explained by Luke to have reference to some Jews being taken captive by the Romans while some others escaped (Luke 21:24).

The Olivet Discourse teaches that Israel had NO future. Jesus said that they would fall by the edge of the sword and would be led away captive into all nations. In other words, they would be dispossessed of the land. Jesus said that their house (family) would be left "DESOLATE." You call that a "future?"​




Again the Olivet Discourse makes no mention of the rapture at all.
The rapture teaching was totally new to Paul. And John MacArthur is a false teacher. He teaches that Christ is not King now but is in "exile in heaven." :p
Tis called the "blessed hope" among the Dispensationalist zionist futurists:

Evaluating Premillennialism

No evaluation of Dispensational Premillennialism may ignore its teaching of a two-phased return of Christ, the first phase of which is commonly known as the rapture.
This feature is its most widely known aspect. Popularized by such best-selling books as Hal Lindsey’s The Late Great Planet Earth, the film The Return,

.........Dispensationalism has a pervasive influence not only extensively, but also intensively. It is usually the case that those who embrace its teachings as a system are affected in almost every area of their theological thinking.
So pervasive is its effect on those who have become its pupils, that even those who have come to see the error of its basic presuppositions testify that dispensational cobwebs have remained in their thinking for a long time after the initial sweeping took place.
My own experience bears witness to the truth of what I say.............

Blondie - Rapture HD - YouTube
 
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Fulfilled:Matthew 24:1-26 (Titus)
Mixed: Matthew 24:27-34
Not fulfilled: Matthew 24:35-51 (Rapture)


Agreed, I'd say we're on the way though to fulfilling the first part of Matthew 24. Reading over the passage sounds as if this will be the darkest of all times, which we're not in yet.
 
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Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.


Were there really "many" false Messiah's coming in Jesus' name "saying, I am Christ" and deceiving "many" prior to 70 AD?
 
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Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.


Hated "of all nations" - by 70 AD, I question that Christians were being killed by and hated by "all nations"

I see a lot of things MIXED in this discourse - I see SOME things that make more sense happening "throughout history", NOW or LATER still in the future - as well as some stuff that happened in 70 AD
 
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I don't think this has happened yet:

Mat 24:29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

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Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
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Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
 
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Below is the whole text of Matthew 24. If I colour the text blue for fulfilled, red for not yet fulfilled, and gray for still being fulfilled, will that do? :)

Jesus left the Temple, and as he was going away his disciples came up to draw his attention to the Temple buildings. He said to them in reply, 'You see all these? In truth I tell you, not a single stone here will be left on another: everything will be pulled down.'

And while he was sitting on the Mount of Olives the disciples came and asked him when they were by themselves, 'Tell us, when is this going to happen, and what sign will there be of your coming and of the end of the world?'

And Jesus answered them, 'Take care that no one deceives you, because many will come using my name and saying, "I am the Christ," and they will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumours of wars; see that you are not alarmed, for this is something that must happen, but the end will not be yet. For nation will fight against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All this is only the beginning of the birthpangs.

'Then you will be handed over to be tortured and put to death; and you will be hated by all nations on account of my name. And then many will fall away; people will betray one another and hate one another. Many false prophets will arise; they will deceive many, and with the increase of lawlessness, love in most people will grow cold; but anyone who stands firm to the end will be saved.

'This good news of the kingdom will be proclaimed to the whole world as evidence to the nations. And then the end will come.

'So when you see the appalling abomination, of which the prophet Daniel spoke, set up in the holy place (let the reader understand), then those in Judaea must escape to the mountains; if anyone is on the housetop, he must not come down to collect his belongings from the house; if anyone is in the fields, he must not turn back to fetch his cloak. Alas for those with child, or with babies at the breast, when those days come! Pray that you will not have to make your escape in winter or on a Sabbath. For then there will be great distress, unparalleled since the world began, and such as will never be again. And if that time had not been shortened, no human being would have survived; but shortened that time shall be, for the sake of those who are chosen.

'If anyone says to you then, "Look, here is the Christ," or "Over here," do not believe it; for false Christs and false prophets will arise and provide great signs and portents, enough to deceive even the elect, if that were possible. Look! I have given you warning.

'If, then, they say to you, "Look, he is in the desert," do not go there; "Look, he is in some hiding place," do not believe it; because the coming of the Son of man will be like lightning striking in the east and flashing far into the west. Wherever the corpse is, that is where the vultures will gather.

'Immediately after the distress of those days the sun will be darkened, the moon will not give its light, the stars will fall from the sky and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven; then, too, all the peoples of the earth will beat their breasts; and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet to gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

'Take the fig tree as a parable: as soon as its twigs grow supple and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. So with you when you see all these things: know that he is near, right at the gates. In truth I tell you, before this generation has passed away, all these things will have taken place. Sky and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. But as for that day and hour, nobody knows it, neither the angels of heaven, nor the Son, no one but the Father alone.

'As it was in Noah's day, so will it be when the Son of man comes. For in those days before the Flood people were eating, drinking, taking wives, taking husbands, right up to the day Noah went into the ark, and they suspected nothing till the Flood came and swept them all away. This is what it will be like when the Son of man comes. Then of two men in the fields, one is taken, one left; of two women grinding at the mill, one is taken, one left.

'So stay awake, because you do not know the day when your master is coming. You may be quite sure of this, that if the householder had known at what time of the night the burglar would come, he would have stayed awake and would not have allowed anyone to break through the wall of his house. Therefore, you too must stand ready because the Son of man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

'Who, then, is the wise and trustworthy servant whom the master placed over his household to give them their food at the proper time? Blessed that servant if his master's arrival finds him doing exactly that. In truth I tell you, he will put him in charge of everything he owns. But if the servant is dishonest and says to himself, "My master is taking his time," and sets about beating his fellow-servants and eating and drinking with drunkards, his master will come on a day he does not expect and at an hour he does not know. The master will cut him off and send him to the same fate as the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and grinding of teeth.' (Matthew 24:1-51)​
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Since the OP said Matthew 24 "and the Olivet Discourse" I am bringing up a verse from Luke's parallel

Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.


It's really been since before my lifetime -- like all the way back to 1948 - that it could be said that Jerusalem is not really being TRODDEN DOWN OF THE GENTILES

and yet...

I do NOT see the "Times of the Gentiles" being fulfilled

Do you guys still consider Jerusalem as "trodden down of the Gentiles" just because a dome of the rock mosque sits on Temple grounds? Jerusalem is Israel's city -- there are still Gentiles walking around - but are they really TRODDING down on Jerusalem still?

I think we should look at all 3 discourses, Matt 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21

This little piece about "times of the Gentiles", I think is unique to Luke
 
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