How does one correctly keep the Sabbath according to SDA doctrine?

[Major1]

There is no need to!! It was accepted by everyone---there was no contention about it. What needs to be proven is that it did, in fact, change!! Did Jesus mention it, before or after the resurrection? Did one apostle state anything about this supposed change? It stands as do all the 10 because Jesus Himself wrote it on stone and Jesus Himself kept it. The disciples all kept it. They preached only on the Sabbath, never had a holy convocation on a Sunday except on time because Paul was leaving, that was on a Saturday night that they met--right at sundown which is the official start of the next day, our Sat. night was their start of Sunday. They broke bread twice that day---meaning they ate. It is what breaking bread also meant.

Do you not know that Jesus is our High Priest?? Do you not know what the High Priest does? Do you not know that books are kept (a word that we really do not understand the concept of as it is a way of keeping records that is not exactly as our books), do you not know that when Jesus returns:

Rev_22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Do you not know that means the decision of who is saved and who is lost has already been made? Do you not know that Jesus comes only for the saved? Which means He is making that decision right now.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Appartently yuou are not aware of much of what is in the bible and before trying to put down others who do --- why not do a little research yourself and actually read what is in it instead of just mouthing stuff that others tell you??!!

There is no need to!

That is because there are NONE!!!!!!

 

[bbbbbbb]

And who claims people are forbidden to worship Him on any other day except Saturday? We don't, God never said that---only you. God said He has set aside one specific day to spend the whole day with Him---not I , not anyone--God said it. On that day is His chosen day for us to be only with Him. We are to be with Him every day, worship Him every day---but we need to work and get things done on 6 days---this one is solely for Him. What is your problem with God deciding this at creation? If you have a problem with it, if this is too much for you, if this offends you, it is God you need to talk it over with.

Okay, so where does God say, "Thou shalt spend all day (specifically Saturday) to be with me and the other six days to be on your own"? Also, where does God say, "Thou shalt not rest on any day of the week, including Saturday which is dedicated to being with Me and doing my work?"

 

[bbbbbbb]

What is wrong with you??!!! I AM NOT SAYING ANY SUCH THING!! I AM TELLING WHAT GOD DID AND SAID. something YOU SHOULD KNOW!! Are you saying you do not know that Gold wrote the 10 commandments with His own finger on stone tablets?? The for heaven's sake---Read your bible!


Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

This is what He wrote---get aquainted with it--He wrote it---not I. Believe what you want!!

Sorry---I guess I am confusing the 2 of you as you both say the same things---either way---your diets are obviously affecting your thinking. Without knowing anything you spout off nothing!

Excellent. I stand corrected. God did not write or inspire any other commandments in the Bible. All that God gave us was what He Himself carved in stone.

Now, I am free to marry my cousin or my half-sister, or even my uncle. I am also quite free to eat anything and everything because God did not write a single word in the Ten Commandments about food.

 

[YeshuaFan]

At the heart of the "Investigative Judgment" is the fact that it is rooted in REPLACEMENT Theology.

The idea that Christians are the focus of that false teaching is the simple fact that Daniel was speaking to HIS PEOPLE the Jews. He had no concept or idea of a church or of Christians being investigated and judged.

Daniel 9:24......
"Seventy 'weeks' are decreed for YOUR people and YOUR holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place."

The Theology of this doctrine destroys the real Gospel, as it substitutes God imputing to lost sinners the righteousness of Jesus, for our own means to keep the Law!

 

[YeshuaFan]

SOURCE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigative_judgment

According to the satanic Seventh-day (SDA) Heresy that you just read, a person cannot get to Heaven unless they have forsaken sinful intentional behavior. Faith in Christ is not enough in the SDA religion; but also, they say you must turn away from your sins. This is the heresy of Lordship Salvation! Turning away from sinful behavior is a self-righteous work, human effort, which is religion and cannot produce the new birth in Christ Jesus.".....
The SDA doctrine of Investigate Judgment, or Doctrine Of The Sanctuary, is a false teaching lain and simple.

They will no longer have jesus to represent them, but will be forced to have to show to God that they will be able to keep the law well enough to merit salvation, and the standard is perfection!

 

[mmksparbud]

I am glad that bbbbbbb and I are thought of together. Thank you for the compliment.

The point you still are confused over is the fact that what God wrote with His finger on stone tablets was for the Children of Israel become the JEWISH nation.

The 10 Commandments are the Word of God.
We should strive to keep them.
If there was not the Law how would we know right from wrong????

Now there is only ONE reason for such a thing to happen. WILLFULL ignorance.

The fact is that Jesus did not say, "keep the 10 commandments" !

Jesus never said to keep the Sabbath and in Fact He broke the Sabbath in
Matthew 12:1-2...…...
“At that time Jesus went on the SABBATH DAY through the corn; and His disciples were an hungered, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat. But when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, Behold, Your disciples do that which is not lawful to do on the sabbath day".

The point you don't understand is that was to Remember--For He had already established it at creation. And---is the commandment to not murder for the Jews only?---how about stealing, Jew only? do not commit adultery, Jew only? Honor your parents, have no other God's or graven images, do not take the Lord's name in vain---All for the Jew only??? Get real. Again--the Jews were never supposed to keep their light hid---they were supposed to have given it all to the gentiles to be a blessing to all the world. Only One of the 10 was for the Jew? Ridiculous!! God never said it was for the Jew only. On the contrary---He said, right in the commandment--- "nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:"
Comes from blatant desire to be carnally minded and avoid doing anything asks!!

What Jesus did was not breaking the 4th commandment---Read the 4th commandment again, I've quoted it enough times and you still do not understand what it says!! The Rabbis had added a whole bunch of rules that had nothing to do with what God had commanded and made the Sabbath a chore not a delight, as He said, such as how many steps to take---0not in the commandment. A Jewish friend told me they actually separate the squares of toilet paper before Sabbath to not work by separating them during the not in the commandment. Jesus never broke the commandments He himself had written, He paid no attention to those that the Rabbis had added.

Interesting how much everyone wants God to do for us, yet how little we are willing to do for Him.

Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev_14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Jesus came to show us that we can do anything He did---that included keeping the commandments---but that only applies to one group of people, on that point you are right---it applies to only those that love Him!

 

[mmksparbud]

The Theology of this doctrine destroys the real Gospel, as it substitutes God imputing to lost sinners the righteousness of Jesus, for our own means to keep the Law!

Again---Jesus came to show us that we can do all that He did, including keeping the commandments, that is the heart of the gospel---Doing His will is not a burden or a chore, but a delight---but only if you love Him. Yes, He will help you keep them, His blood shed for out sins, is not so that you can just keep sinning and not to worry, for His blood covers them, that is carnal selfishness, nothing to do with the love of God in us. We are to overcome sin, not that sin overcomes us.

Rev_2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
Rev_2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

 

[mmksparbud]

From.....The Investigative Judgment in the Writings of Ellen G. White

A Pillar Of The Adventist Faith

"It was in February, 1845, on her “first journey East” that “the precious light in regard to the heavenly sanctuary” was opened to Ellen White (Letter 2, 1874). On February 15, 1846, she wrote Enoch Jacobs: IJWEGW 2.1

“God showed me the following, one year ago this month: I saw a throne and on it sat the Father and His Son Jesus Christ.... I saw the Father rise from the throne and in a flaming chariot go into the Holy of Holies within the veil, and did sit.... And I saw a cloudy chariot with wheels like flaming fire. Angels were all about the chariot as it came where Jesus was. He stepped into it and was borne to the Holiest where the Father sat.”—The Day-Star, March 14, 1846, p. 7. (See also Early Writings, 55.)

1845 was a year after 1844. And what to you wish to make of this statement?

 

[Major1]

The point you don't understand is that was to Remember--For He had already established it at creation. And---is the commandment to not murder for the Jews only?---how about stealing, Jew only? do not commit adultery, Jew only? Honor your parents, have no other God's or graven images, do not take the Lord's name in vain---All for the Jew only??? Get real. Again--the Jews were never supposed to keep their light hid---they were supposed to have given it all to the gentiles to be a blessing to all the world. Only One of the 10 was for the Jew? Ridiculous!! God never said it was for the Jew only. On the contrary---He said, right in the commandment--- "nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:"
Comes from blatant desire to be carnally minded and avoid doing anything asks!!

What Jesus did was not breaking the 4th commandment---Read the 4th commandment again, I've quoted it enough times and you still do not understand what it says!! The Rabbis had added a whole bunch of rules that had nothing to do with what God had commanded and made the Sabbath a chore not a delight, as He said, such as how many steps to take---0not in the commandment. A Jewish friend told me they actually separate the squares of toilet paper before Sabbath to not work by separating them during the not in the commandment. Jesus never broke the commandments He himself had written, He paid no attention to those that the Rabbis had added.

Interesting how much everyone wants God to do for us, yet how little we are willing to do for Him.

Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev_14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Jesus came to show us that we can do anything He did---that included keeping the commandments---but that only applies to one group of people, on that point you are right---it applies to only those that love Him!

Thou shalt not kill or lie or steal or do adultery are all MORAL laws my brother. Keeping the Sabbath is NOT a moral law but is a CEREMONIAL Law which was given to the Children of Israel.

The Sabbath is not a moral law because the priests were allowed to profane it: Matt 12:5; Num 28:9-10; Josh 6:15; 1 Ki 20:29; Jn 5:10

The Sabbath is not a moral law because a man could break it without sin to save an animal from a pit.

The Sabbath is not a moral law because God never intended for all mankind to keep it.

God NEVER charged the Gentiles with breaking it, much less even keeping it.

The Sabbath is not a moral law because Jesus broke the Sabbath and He did not sin!

My I suggest to you that you spend more time in Bible study than on the internet forums so that you can know these things I just posted for you.

 

[mmksparbud]

They will no longer have jesus to represent them, but will be forced to have to show to God that they will be able to keep the law well enough to merit salvation, and the standard is perfection!

I already pointed it out---you have twisted it on purpose.
Rev_16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.


Jesus will have finished His work as our High Priest.

Rev_22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

Everyone's mind has been decided as to whom they follow. There is no longer any changing to be done---He comes. And when He comes, He comes for the saved only.

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

[Major1]

Again---Jesus came to show us that we can do all that He did, including keeping the commandments, that is the heart of the gospel---Doing His will is not a burden or a chore, but a delight---but only if you love Him. Yes, He will help you keep them, His blood shed for out sins, is not so that you can just keep sinning and not to worry, for His blood covers them, that is carnal selfishness, nothing to do with the love of God in us. We are to overcome sin, not that sin overcomes us.

Rev_2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
Rev_2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Do you not know that Jesus broke the Sabbath?????

John 5:18......
"For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God."

That one Scripture completely destroys your argument!!!!

 

[Major1]

1845 was a year after 1844. And what to you wish to make of this statement?

It was done to show you that Mrs. was involved in the Investigative Judgment.

First of all there is NO SUCH thing in the Bible.

You said that she was just a young 17 year old little girl and was not involved.

In 1844," Ellen G. White writes...

"Attended by heavenly angels, our great High Priest enters the holy of holies, and there appears in the presence of God, to engage in the last acts of His ministration in behalf of man - to perform the work of investigative judgment, and to make an atonement for all who are shown to be entitled to its benefits.

"...So in the great day of final atonement and investigative judgment, the only cases considered are those of the professed people of God. The judgment of the wicked is a distinct and separate work, at a later period" (The Great Controversy, 1950 edition, page 480).

 

[Major1]

I already pointed it out---you have twisted it on purpose.
Rev_16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.


Jesus will have finished His work as our High Priest.

Rev_22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

Everyone's mind has been decided as to whom they follow. There is no longer any changing to be done---He comes. And when He comes, He comes for the saved only.

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

HILARIOUSE! We have twisted Scriptures on purpose!!!!

 

[Major1]

Okay, so where does God say, "Thou shalt spend all day (specifically Saturday) to be with me and the other six days to be on your own"? Also, where does God say, "Thou shalt not rest on any day of the week, including Saturday which is dedicated to being with Me and doing my work?"

Galatians 6:7......
"Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap."

Mocking God means disrespecting, dishonoring, denying or ignoring His existence.

 

[mmksparbud]

Thou shalt not kill or lie or steal or do adultery are all MORAL laws my brother. Keeping the Sabbath is NOT a moral law but is a CEREMONIAL Law which was given to the Children of Israel.

The Sabbath is not a moral law because the priests were allowed to profane it: Matt 12:5; Num 28:9-10; Josh 6:15; 1 Ki 20:29; Jn 5:10

The Sabbath is not a moral law because a man could break it without sin to save an animal from a pit.

The Sabbath is not a moral law because God never intended for all mankind to keep it.

God NEVER charged the Gentiles with breaking it, much less even keeping it.

The Sabbath is not a moral law because Jesus broke the Sabbath and He did not sin!

My I suggest to you that you spend more time in Bible study than on the internet forums so that you can know these things I just posted for you.

You are obviously not very observant---that's sister!!

God meant for all mankind to keep it! Nowhere does it say it was only for the Jew!! Are the Jewish bodies the only bodies that need to rest from work? How many times does it have to be pointed out? "The stranger that is within thy gates!!" How many times must it be pointed out that Jesus did not break the commandment He wrote---He broke the commandments written by the Rabbis!

Mar_2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

He did not say "for the Jew"! The word there is the same word for mankind!

May I suggest you spend more time in the bible and less time on what you have been told and what your carnal mind wants to do! I will spend my time as God directs---which is debunking the manmade ideas that Satan has corrupted the world with!

If you do not wish to keep His commandments---all 10---then don't!! You answer to none but God!!
They are only for those who place God first, who love Him above all else. Who wish to spend eternity with Him.
Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

You might as well get used to it now, for it will be kept on the new earth:

Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

 

[mmksparbud]

Okay, so where does God say, "Thou shalt spend all day (specifically Saturday) to be with me and the other six days to be on your own"? Also, where does God say, "Thou shalt not rest on any day of the week, including Saturday which is dedicated to being with Me and doing my work?"

What does this make, the 10th time this has been quoted ands still you do not comprehend it??

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

 

[Major1]

This has nothing to do with EGW---it is strictly from the bible. And it is quite simple.

My 1st suggestion would be to advise you to actually read the Bible my dear friend.

 

[mmksparbud]

My 1st suggestion would be to advise you to actually read the Bible my dear friend.

It is my constant companion. Apparently you do not read it, you just listen to what you are told at church. Like I said---if you do not wish to obey God---don't, just don't pretend that disobedience is what God wants and expects. Don't want to keep the sabbath---Don't! But to make all these false claims about it is what is wrong. Just do as you please, quite trying to hide behind a bunch of false premises for you doing so!!

 

[mmksparbud]

Excellent. I stand corrected. God did not write or inspire any other commandments in the Bible. All that God gave us was what He Himself carved in stone.

Now, I am free to marry my cousin or my half-sister, or even my uncle. I am also quite free to eat anything and everything because God did not write a single word in the Ten Commandments about food.

You are free to do what you want. You do not have to abide by anything God says. Marrying ones sister is not a part of the ceremonial laws that required a blood sacrifice! You are stretching and failing to make your point. If you do not wish to live a long and healthy life---then eat what you want. If you want health, then following the guidelines God set down, again, not a part of the Levitical Priesthood laws, would be the thing to do---He made us, He knows what is best for us. And before you point out the obvious---The ceremonial laws also did not include how to treat your slaves, your wife--or wives, divorce laws and so on. It's not complicated. It is called reading and using you mind and not believing everything that you hear but actually reading the word of God with prayer for the Holy Spirit to guide you in your desire to do as God wants not as our carnal heart wants.

 

[Major1]

It is my constant companion. Apparently you do not read it, you just listen to what you are told at church. Like I said---if you do not wish to obey God---don't, just don't pretend that disobedience is what God wants and expects. Don't want to keep the sabbath---Don't! But to make all these false claims about it is what is wrong. Just do as you please, quite trying to hide behind a bunch of false premises for you doing so!!

LOL!

You have already been asked...…...
POST THE SCRIPTURES THAT DEMAND OBIDENCE TO THE SABBATH IN THE NEW TEST.

Enough talk. Just do it. POST THOSE SCRIPTURES and then we can end this debate!!!!!

Then when you have done that, go ahead and POST THE OLD TEST. SCRIPTURES THAT DEMAND WORSHIP ON THE SABBATH.