How does one correctly keep the Sabbath according to SDA doctrine?

[Major1]

Investigative judgement is heresy, as that denies Pauline Justification, and even the Sda admits among its scholars cannot be found and proven in the Bible!

SOURCE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigative_judgment

According to the satanic Seventh-day (SDA) Heresy that you just read, a person cannot get to Heaven unless they have forsaken sinful intentional behavior. Faith in Christ is not enough in the SDA religion; but also, they say you must turn away from your sins. This is the heresy of Lordship Salvation! Turning away from sinful behavior is a self-righteous work, human effort, which is religion and cannot produce the new birth in Christ Jesus.".....
The SDA doctrine of Investigate Judgment, or Doctrine Of The Sanctuary, is a false teaching lain and simple.

 

[Major1]

Gentiles NEVER were put under the Sabbath, as that was ceremonial Law given to Israel alone!

Agreed.

The New Testament never commands Christians to observe the Sabbath.

The Sabbath was the sign to Israel of the Mosaic Covenant (Exodus 31:16-17; Ezekiel 20:12; Nehemiah 9:14). Since we are now under the New Covenant (Hebrews 8), we are no longer required to observe the sign of the Mosaic Covenant.

 

[Major1]

Then you should be able to point out, with biblical references, where any doctrine is against the word of God!!! You do nothing but state falsehoods without ever quoting her or church documents and completely show your ignorance on any of the things you say!! You should have no trouble in documenting your position but do not! We have scriptures to back up what our believes are for they are biblically based---so far you have not done the same for yours.
And we do not try to distance ourselves from EGW at all. We mention her at all evangelistic programs, at church services that are aired. The thing is---our doctrines are not based on her, but from the bible. What are yours based on and where is the proof of the things you say???

IF that is so, then please post the Scripture from the New Test. which tells the church to meet and worship on Saturday.

Also, please post from the New Test. the Scriptures which tell the church that we can not eat meat.

Then while you are doing that, go ahead and post the Scriptures from the New Test. that explains the Investigative Judment for us.

 

[mmksparbud]

Gentiles NEVER were put under the Sabbath, as that was ceremonial Law given to Israel alone!

Really? Apparently you never read where God said all His laws applied to all those who would accept Him as their God. Are you not aware that the Jews were to have been a light to and a blessing to all the world but instead they became exclusive instead of inclusive. This was something that Jesus had to correct also--and that is what the apostles did also---go back to what the Jews shouold have been doing, but didn't---be a light unto all nations.

Ex. 20:10"nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:"
Mar_2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Jesus did not say made for the Jew.

There were no Jews at creation when it was instituted---

en 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

It was sanctified and made Holy by God, which at Creation was Jesus for it is He that created everything. He should know, He also wrote it on stone. He was alive for forty days and never said it did not apply to the Gentiles or changed in any way.

So you feel only the Jew is entitled to rest from their labors for one day to be with God, only the Jews need to commemorate creation week---the only way that the Creator of this world and everrything in it did to remember His act of creation? Baloney.

 

[Major1]

Really? Apparently you never read where God said all His laws applied to all those who would accept Him as their God. Are you not aware that the Jews were to have been a light to and a blessing to all the world but instead they became exclusive instead of inclusive. This was something that Jesus had to correct also--and that is what the apostles did also---go back to what the Jews shouold have been doing, but didn't---be a light unto all nations.

Ex. 20:10"nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:"
Mar_2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Jesus did not say made for the Jew.

There were no Jews at creation when it was instituted---

en 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

It was sanctified and made Holy by God, which at Creation was Jesus for it is He that created everything. He should know, He also wrote it on stone. He was alive for forty days and never said it did not apply to the Gentiles or changed in any way.

So you feel only the Jew is entitled to rest from their labors for one day to be with God, only the Jews need to commemorate creation week---the only way that the Creator of this world and everrything in it did to remember His act of creation? Baloney.

I love fried Baloney with mustard!!!!!!!

 

[mmksparbud]

EW was the spirit of prophecy starting 1844, and she held that God had shut down doorway to salvation, as He was coming back very soon !

EGW was not an SDA until long after this Millerite movement!! She didn't even know about the Sabbath until later when it was pointed out to her by a Baptist and she along with others started reading about it! When are you going to learn to read and get your facts straight?? It is deplorable that all you can do spout falsehoods as though they are truth!
The only shut door is this----

Rev_22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

When Jesus is done with His work as our High Priest---He utters :It is done" once again. At that time, there is no more changing of ones mind, everyone has made their final decision. All Millerites probably thought this as they were sure that the "cleansing of the sanctuary" meant this earth. Do you realize that the Millerite movement was a world wide movement?---It was in the Middle East, in India, Britain, South America. You keep making unsubstantiated statements---you don't know the history of any of this. Just blabbering without knowledge is all that you are showing!!

 

[mmksparbud]

I love fried Baloney with mustard!!!!!!!

Obviously!!!!

 

[bbbbbbb]

They didn't choose to ignore it!! They chose to embrace the 10 commandments (all 10 of them), the entire bible (OT and NT)---so I have no idea what you are talking about Do you even know what you are saying?? Off shoots are not part of the church as you yourself should know for you belong to nothing and do not have the fortitute to name what you are, so I suggest you look to your own believes before criticizing others!

Nonsense. In picking out ten of the 613 commandments, Mrs. White and many others both of her party and her opposition, willfully and knowingly determined to ignore the other 603 commandments. If, as you assert, that what God has written cannot be changed, then you are in a real pickle.

 

[bbbbbbb]

EGW was not an SDA until long after this Millerite movement!! She didn't even know about the Sabbath until later when it was pointed out to her by a Baptist and she along with others started reading about it! When are you going to learn to read and get your facts straight?? It is deplorable that all you can do spout falsehoods as though they are truth!
The only shut door is this----

Rev_22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

When Jesus is done with His work as our High Priest---He utters :It is done" once again. At that time, there is no more changing of ones mind, everyone has made their final decision. All Millerites probably thought this as they were sure that the "cleansing of the sanctuary" meant this earth. Do you realize that the Millerite movement was a world wide movement?---It was in the Middle East, in India, Britain, South America. You keep making unsubstantiated statements---you don't know the history of any of this. Just blabbering without knowledge is all that you are showing!!

There is no doubt whatsoever that Mrs. White held a tight connection with Rev. Miller and his teaching. He came up with the date(s) of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, and she spiritualized the theology to fit the reality that absolutely nothing of the sort happened on those dates.

 

[mmksparbud]

IF that is so, then please post the Scripture from the New Test. which tells the church to meet and worship on Saturday.

Also, please post from the New Test. the Scriptures which tell the church that we can not eat meat.

Then while you are doing that, go ahead and post the Scriptures from the New Test. that explains the Investigative Judment for us.

There is no need to!! It was accepted by everyone---there was no contention about it. What needs to be proven is that it did, in fact, change!! Did Jesus mention it, before or after the resurrection? Did one apostle state anything about this supposed change? It stands as do all the 10 because Jesus Himself wrote it on stone and Jesus Himself kept it. The disciples all kept it. They preached only on the Sabbath, never had a holy convocation on a Sunday except on time because Paul was leaving, that was on a Saturday night that they met--right at sundown which is the official start of the next day, our Sat. night was their start of Sunday. They broke bread twice that day---meaning they ate. It is what breaking bread also meant.

Do you not know that Jesus is our High Priest?? Do you not know what the High Priest does? Do you not know that books are kept (a word that we really do not understand the concept of as it is a way of keeping records that is not exactly as our books), do you not know that when Jesus returns:

Rev_22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Do you not know that means the decision of who is saved and who is lost has already been made? Do you not know that Jesus comes only for the saved? Which means He is making that decision right now.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Appartently yuou are not aware of much of what is in the bible and before trying to put down others who do --- why not do a little research yourself and actually read what is in it instead of just mouthing stuff that others tell you??!!

 

[mmksparbud]

Nonsense. In picking out ten of the 613 commandments, Mrs. White and many others both of her party and her opposition, willfully and knowingly determined to ignore the other 603 commandments. If, as you assert, that what God has written cannot be changed, then you are in a real pickle.

Total nonsense!! Jesus Himself differentiated the ceremonial laws from the 10!! He wrote the ten with His own finger--On stone and those were kept in the ark of the covenant--also called the ark of the testimony or testament. Which was a copy of the heavenly One, the actual throne of God in Heaven.
He dictated the ceremonial laws to Moses who wrote them down on parchment and those were kept outside of the ark. You're not even aware of any of this are you?
Stone is permanent, parchment is not. Inside the ark---copy of the heavenly--the 10 are still in the heavenly ark!!

Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

The laws on parchment, kept outside the ark---not permanent! Represented by the blood of animals which represented the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world and it is His blood that actually cleanses, not the blood of animals! Done away with -- obviously---at the cross. READ FOR YOURSELF!!
when we stand before God---it is not those who keep His commandments that are in a pickle---but those who do not.

Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev_14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

But then, you like your baloney with mustard and pickles. Enjoy. I will avoid all those and go by what the bible says. When I stand before God I will not be asked "What part of REMEMBER" did you not understand?"

 

[mmksparbud]

There is no doubt whatsoever that Mrs. White held a tight connection with Rev. Miller and his teaching. He came up with the date(s) of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, and she spiritualized the theology to fit the reality that absolutely nothing of the sort happened on those dates.

Yah---who didn't at that time---she wasn't even Mrs. White then!! She was just a very young 17 year old, Sunday keeping Methodist-- Ellen Harmon! She did not marry until 1846. She came up with nothing---it was a group of men and women who got together and studied the bible to determine what had actually happened. Why can't you take the time and trouble to get your facts straight before spouting off!
You all need to get off the baloney, mustard and pickle diet---clouding your minds!!

 

[bbbbbbb]

There is no need to!! It was accepted by everyone---there was no contention about it. What needs to be proven is that it did, in fact, change!! Did Jesus mention it, before or after the resurrection? Did one apostle state anything about this supposed change? It stands as do all the 10 because Jesus Himself wrote it on stone and Jesus Himself kept it. The disciples all kept it. They preached only on the Sabbath, never had a holy convocation on a Sunday except on time because Paul was leaving, that was on a Saturday night that they met--right at sundown which is the official start of the next day, our Sat. night was their start of Sunday. They broke bread twice that day---meaning they ate. It is what breaking bread also meant.

Do you not know that Jesus is our High Priest?? Do you not know what the High Priest does? Do you not know that books are kept (a word that we really do not understand the concept of as it is a way of keeping records that is not exactly as our books), do you not know that when Jesus returns:

Rev_22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Do you not know that means the decision of who is saved and who is lost has already been made? Do you not know that Jesus comes only for the saved? Which means He is making that decision right now.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Appartently yuou are not aware of much of what is in the bible and before trying to put down others who do --- why not do a little research yourself and actually read what is in it instead of just mouthing stuff that others tell you??!!

My offer still stands. I will pay you $1,000,000.00 when you provide the scripture where God states that His people are forbidden from worshiping Him on any other day than Saturday.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Total nonsense!! Jesus Himself differentiated the ceremonial laws from the 10!! He wrote the ten with His own finger--On stone and those were kept in the ark of the covenant--also called the ark of the testimony or testament. Which was a copy of the heavenly One, the actual throne of God in Heaven.
He dictated the ceremonial laws to Moses who wrote them down on parchment and those were kept outside of the ark. You're not even aware of any of this are you?
Stone is permanent, parchment is not. Inside the ark---copy of the heavenly--the 10 are still in the heavenly ark!!

Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

The laws on parchment, kept outside the ark---not permanent! Represented by the blood of animals which represented the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world and it is His blood that actually cleanses, not the blood of animals! Done away with -- obviously---at the cross. READ FOR YOURSELF!!
when we stand before God---it is not those who keep His commandments that are in a pickle---but those who do not.

Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev_14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

But then, you like your baloney with mustard and pickles. Enjoy. I will avoid all those and go by what the bible says. When I stand before God I will not be asked "What part of REMEMBER" did you not understand?"

This is most interesting. Now you are accusing Jesus Christ of willfully ignoring some of God's commandments which God had written and which could never be changed.

So, working on the Sabbath is ceremonial in nature. As you must know, quite a few of the other 603 commandments define what specific acts such as kindling a fire are prohibited on the Sabbath. Now I understand how you folks have managed to reinvent Sabbath-keeping. Using your own hermeneutic virtually everybody in the world keeps the Sabbath because, according to you, no specific acts are prohibited.

By the way, I am not the individual who posted about liking bologna with mustard and pickles. Personally, I much prefer knackwurst with homemade mustard (I make my own).

 

[mmksparbud]

My offer still stands. I will pay you $1,000,000.00 when you provide the scripture where God states that His people are forbidden from worshiping Him on any other day than Saturday.

And who claims people are forbidden to worship Him on any other day except Saturday? We don't, God never said that---only you. God said He has set aside one specific day to spend the whole day with Him---not I , not anyone--God said it. On that day is His chosen day for us to be only with Him. We are to be with Him every day, worship Him every day---but we need to work and get things done on 6 days---this one is solely for Him. What is your problem with God deciding this at creation? If you have a problem with it, if this is too much for you, if this offends you, it is God you need to talk it over with.

 

[mmksparbud]

This is most interesting. Now you are accusing Jesus Christ of willfully ignoring some of God's commandments which God had written and which could never be changed.

So, working on the Sabbath is ceremonial in nature. As you must know, quite a few of the other 603 commandments define what specific acts such as kindling a fire are prohibited on the Sabbath. Now I understand how you folks have managed to reinvent Sabbath-keeping. Using your own hermeneutic virtually everybody in the world keeps the Sabbath because, according to you, no specific acts are prohibited.

By the way, I am not the individual who posted about liking bologna with mustard and pickles. Personally, I much prefer knackwurst with homemade mustard (I make my own).

What is wrong with you??!!! I AM NOT SAYING ANY SUCH THING!! I AM TELLING WHAT GOD DID AND SAID. something YOU SHOULD KNOW!! Are you saying you do not know that Gold wrote the 10 commandments with His own finger on stone tablets?? The for heaven's sake---Read your bible!


Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

This is what He wrote---get aquainted with it--He wrote it---not I. Believe what you want!!

Sorry---I guess I am confusing the 2 of you as you both say the same things---either way---your diets are obviously affecting your thinking. Without knowing anything you spout off nothing!

 

[Major1]

Nonsense. In picking out ten of the 613 commandments, Mrs. White and many others both of her party and her opposition, willfully and knowingly determined to ignore the other 603 commandments. If, as you assert, that what God has written cannot be changed, then you are in a real pickle.

A "DILL"!!!!

 

[Major1]

What is wrong with you??!!! I AM NOT SAYING ANY SUCH THING!! I AM TELLING WHAT GOD DID AND SAID. something YOU SHOULD KNOW!! Are you saying you do not know that Gold wrote the 10 commandments with His own finger on stone tablets?? The for heaven's sake---Read your bible!


Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

This is what He wrote---get aquainted with it--He wrote it---not I. Believe what you want!!

Sorry---I guess I am confusing the 2 of you as you both say the same things---either way---your diets are obviously affecting your thinking. Without knowing anything you spout off nothing!

I am glad that bbbbbbb and I are thought of together. Thank you for the compliment.

The point you still are confused over is the fact that what God wrote with His finger on stone tablets was for the Children of Israel become the JEWISH nation.

The 10 Commandments are the Word of God.
We should strive to keep them.
If there was not the Law how would we know right from wrong????

Now there is only ONE reason for such a thing to happen. WILLFULL ignorance.

The fact is that Jesus did not say, "keep the 10 commandments" !

Jesus never said to keep the Sabbath and in Fact He broke the Sabbath in
Matthew 12:1-2...…...
“At that time Jesus went on the SABBATH DAY through the corn; and His disciples were an hungered, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat. But when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, Behold, Your disciples do that which is not lawful to do on the sabbath day".

 

[Major1]

My offer still stands. I will pay you $1,000,000.00 when you provide the scripture where God states that His people are forbidden from worshiping Him on any other day than Saturday.

Praise the LORD o my soul!!!

Major 2:1-2...……..
" God states that His people are forbidden from worshiping Him on any other day than Saturday."

Please PM me ASAP and I will give you my home address so you can mail your check to me!!!

 

[Major1]

Yah---who didn't at that time---she wasn't even Mrs. White then!! She was just a very young 17 year old, Sunday keeping Methodist-- Ellen Harmon! She did not marry until 1846. She came up with nothing---it was a group of men and women who got together and studied the bible to determine what had actually happened. Why can't you take the time and trouble to get your facts straight before spouting off!
You all need to get off the baloney, mustard and pickle diet---clouding your minds!!

From.....The Investigative Judgment in the Writings of Ellen G. White

A Pillar Of The Adventist Faith

"It was in February, 1845, on her “first journey East” that “the precious light in regard to the heavenly sanctuary” was opened to Ellen White (Letter 2, 1874). On February 15, 1846, she wrote Enoch Jacobs: IJWEGW 2.1

“God showed me the following, one year ago this month: I saw a throne and on it sat the Father and His Son Jesus Christ.... I saw the Father rise from the throne and in a flaming chariot go into the Holy of Holies within the veil, and did sit.... And I saw a cloudy chariot with wheels like flaming fire. Angels were all about the chariot as it came where Jesus was. He stepped into it and was borne to the Holiest where the Father sat.”—The Day-Star, March 14, 1846, p. 7. (See also Early Writings, 55.)