How does one correctly keep the Sabbath according to SDA doctrine?

[Major1]

You've ben asked to post your sources countless times!!! You just keep blabbering away without substantiating anything you say!! Quote the source you got this from~!! You are not saying the truth, just mouthing stuff you think you know without any proof of what you say.

As for the NT-​

-apparently you've not read much of the writings of Paul. He writes about 40 years after the resurrection of Jesus---and he is preaching every sabbath in one city alone for 2 years---Every Sabbath. The disciples all kept Sabbath.

Act_13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
Act_13:27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
Act_13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Act_13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
Act_16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.
Act_17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Act_18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
Jesus was on earth 40 days after His resurrection, all you have to do is quote the verse where He said the sabbath was done away with! Unless there is that verse, the written command from God stands and no man can change that. God wrote it---Only He can change it!

I can not help but wonder if you personally know and accept the historical facts that is was Hiram Edson and Ellen G. White, who said that the 1844 date was accurate but that a heavenly (thus invisible) event had taken place. It was then their teachings which became the basis of Seventh-day Adventism, which eventually spawned its own offshoots, including Armstrongism and the Branch Davidians.

 

[Major1]

I think you might like to correct that post.

"I simply follow and accept the Word of God and not the dogmas of men and women."

Yes, you are correct. I was using "MEN" in the Universal concept that we are all Humanity.

 

[Major1]

offerings, new moons, Sabbaths are times of "holy convocation" - according to Lev 23

Isaiah - is condemning rebellion - NOT the Word of God. -- obedience to the Word of God is not "rebellion" in the Bible.

He says -- "I cannot endure iniquity and the solemn assembly.
not "I cannot endure solemn assembly"
It is iniquity AND solemn assembly
It is iniquity AND prayer that is spoken against in Isaiah 1

Isaiah 1
2 Listen, O heavens, and hear, O earth;
For the Lord speaks,
“Sons I have reared and brought up,
But they have revolted against Me.
...

Isaiah 1
4 Alas, sinful nation,
People weighed down with iniquity,
Offspring of evildoers,
Sons who act corruptly!
They have abandoned the Lord,
They have despised the Holy One of Israel,
They have turned away from Him.

God never condemns "obedience to the WORD of God" not even in Isaiah 1

"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
"love Me and KEEP My commandments" Ex 20:6
"this IS the LOVE of God that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2-3
"sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4 - even in the NT
where the "first commandment with a promise" is the 5th commandment - Eph 6:1-2

Isaiah 1
10 Hear the word of the Lord,
You rulers of Sodom;
Give ear to the instruction of our God,
You people of Gomorrah.
11 “What are your multiplied sacrifices to Me?”
Says the Lord.
“I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams
And the fat of fed cattle;
And I take no pleasure in the blood of bulls, lambs or goats.
12 “When you come to appear before Me,
Who requires of you this trampling of My courts?
13 “Bring your worthless offerings no longer,
Incense is an abomination to Me.
New moon and sabbath, the calling of assemblies—
I cannot endure iniquity and the solemn assembly.
14 “I hate your new moon festivals and your appointed feasts,
They have become a burden to Me;
I am weary of bearing them.
15 “So when you spread out your hands in prayer,
I will hide My eyes from you;
Yes, even though you multiply prayers,
I will not listen.
Your hands are covered with blood.

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So is this God condemning sin and rebellion OR is he condemning prayer, solemn assembly (church), offerings, etc -- all that he commands in his own Word?

This is God teaching that "rebellion invalidates worship".

And so is this in Mark 7
‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

Is it His WORD He is condemning or is it sin? (If we note "the details).

Is it prayer, solemn assembly (church), worship, that God is condemning?

Isaiah 1

16 “Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean;
Remove the evil of your deeds from My sight.
Cease to do evil,
17 Learn to do good;
Seek justice,
Reprove the ruthless,
Defend the orphan,
Plead for the widow.

“Let Us Reason”
18 “Come now, and let us reason together,”
Says the Lord,
“Though your sins are as scarlet,
They will be as white as snow;
Though they are red like crimson,
They will be like wool.
19 “If you consent and obey,
You will eat the best of the land;
20 “But if you refuse and rebel,
You will be devoured by the sword.”
Truly, the mouth of the Lord has spoken.

Lets do another one. God actually did say that He could not endure the Jews keeping the Sabbath:

Isa 1:13-14......
"Bring your worthless offerings no longer, Incense is an abomination to Me. New moon and Sabbath, the calling of assemblies- I cannot endure iniquity and the solemn assembly. I hate your new moon festivals and your appointed feasts. They have become a burden to Me."

Such is never said of any moral command anywhere in the Bible!

I agree and that is NOT what I said, now is it Bob.

We were debating MORAL law and ceremonial law.

I said in post #383......
Lets do another one. God actually did say that He could not endure the Jews keeping the Sabbath:

Isa 1:13-14......
"Bring your worthless offerings no longer, Incense is an abomination to Me. New moon and Sabbath, the calling of assemblies- I cannot endure iniquity and the solemn assembly. I hate your new moon festivals and your appointed feasts. They have become a burden to Me."

Such is never said of any moral command anywhere in the Bible!

Now what is troubelsome to me is that YOU knew what was said and YOU knew the context of the conversation. Knowing that, then you post this long and convoluted post about...........
"Lets do another one. God actually did say that He could not endure the Jews keeping the Sabbath:

Isa 1:13-14......
"Bring your worthless offerings no longer, Incense is an abomination to Me. New moon and Sabbath, the calling of assemblies- I cannot endure iniquity and the solemn assembly. I hate your new moon festivals and your appointed feasts. They have become a burden to Me."

Such is never said of any moral command anywhere in the Bible!

Lets do another one. God actually did say that He could not endure the Jews keeping the Sabbath:

Isa 1:13-14......
"Bring your worthless offerings no longer, Incense is an abomination to Me. New moon and Sabbath, the calling of assemblies- I cannot endure iniquity and the solemn assembly. I hate your new moon festivals and your appointed feasts. They have become a burden to Me."

Such is never said of any moral command anywhere in the Bible!

It troubles me that you would change what was said to what YOU wanted it to say about Obedience to God's Word.

I did not write Isaiah 1:13-14 but it must have bothered you so much that YOU had to twist what was said to fit your agenda.

 

[bbbbbbb]

You've ben asked to post your sources countless times!!! You just keep blabbering away without substantiating anything you say!! Quote the source you got this from~!! You are not saying the truth, just mouthing stuff you think you know without any proof of what you say.

As for the NT-​

-apparently you've not read much of the writings of Paul. He writes about 40 years after the resurrection of Jesus---and he is preaching every sabbath in one city alone for 2 years---Every Sabbath. The disciples all kept Sabbath.

Act_13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
Act_13:27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
Act_13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Act_13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
Act_16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.
Act_17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Act_18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
Jesus was on earth 40 days after His resurrection, all you have to do is quote the verse where He said the sabbath was done away with! Unless there is that verse, the written command from God stands and no man can change that. God wrote it---Only He can change it!

God may have written it and and only He can change it, but it does not mean that folks like Mrs. White and her followers can't choose to ignore it. I think it is probably time for you, the pot, to stop calling the kettle black.

 

[YeshuaFan]

You've ben asked to post your sources countless times!!! You just keep blabbering away without substantiating anything you say!! Quote the source you got this from~!! You are not saying the truth, just mouthing stuff you think you know without any proof of what you say.

As for the NT-​

-apparently you've not read much of the writings of Paul. He writes about 40 years after the resurrection of Jesus---and he is preaching every sabbath in one city alone for 2 years---Every Sabbath. The disciples all kept Sabbath.

Act_13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
Act_13:27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
Act_13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Act_13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
Act_16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.
Act_17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Act_18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
Jesus was on earth 40 days after His resurrection, all you have to do is quote the verse where He said the sabbath was done away with! Unless there is that verse, the written command from God stands and no man can change that. God wrote it---Only He can change it!

Paul met with the Jews first, as that was before he was sent off to the gentiles, and during that time he indeed met therm in the temple, as that was their meeting place! Aftyer he went to the Gentiles, never a reference that Gentiles either met or were forced to meet on Sabbath!
And the sda opinion on EW as the so called "spirit of prophecy: is well known!

 

[bbbbbbb]

Paul met with the Jews first, as that was before he was sent off to the gentiles, and during that time he indeed met therm in the temple, as that was their meeting place! Aftyer he went to the Gentiles, never a reference that Gentiles either met or were forced to meet on Sabbath!
And the sda opinion on EW as the so called "spirit of prophecy: is well known!

The big problem today is the modern SDA's have been doing their level best to try convince outsiders that they believe the Bible only and not Mrs. White. However, the truth remains that many of their unorthodox doctrines certainly are not from the Bible, but originated from the writings and preaching of Mrs. White.

 

[mmksparbud]

I can not help but wonder if you personally know and accept the historical facts that is was Hiram Edson and Ellen G. White, who said that the 1844 date was accurate but that a heavenly (thus invisible) event had taken place. It was then their teachings which became the basis of Seventh-day Adventism, which eventually spawned its own offshoots, including Armstrongism and the Branch Davidians.

I'm 69 years old! I was raised SDA---le3ft for 30po years for bad behavior, returned for the last 35 years---I know all the history, far more than you! Before I came back I researched all other religions and refreshed myself on this one. I know exactly what you are talking about and I agree----the date is totally accurate!! Still is!

 

[bbbbbbb]

I'm 69 years old! I was raised SDA---le3ft for 30po years for bad behavior, returned for the last 35 years---I know all the history, far more than you! Before I came back I researched all other religions and refreshed myself on this one. I know exactly what you are talking about and I agree----the date is totally accurate!! Still is!

Of course it is. It is what actually happened on that date that was changed. As you probably know, Mr. Miller predicted that personal, physical return of Jesus Christ to this earth on that date. Now, neither you nor anyone else believes that actually happened. What happened was that, in hindsight, Mrs. White et. al. determined that what really happened on that date was neither physical nor personal. In fact, she determined that it didn't even happen on this earth at all.

 

[mmksparbud]

God may have written it and and only He can change it, but it does not mean that folks like Mrs. White and her followers can't choose to ignore it. I think it is probably time for you, the pot, to stop calling the kettle black.

They didn't choose to ignore it!! They chose to embrace the 10 commandments (all 10 of them), the entire bible (OT and NT)---so I have no idea what you are talking about Do you even know what you are saying?? Off shoots are not part of the church as you yourself should know for you belong to nothing and do not have the fortitute to name what you are, so I suggest you look to your own believes before criticizing others!

 

[mmksparbud]

Paul met with the Jews first, as that was before he was sent off to the gentiles, and during that time he indeed met therm in the temple, as that was their meeting place! Aftyer he went to the Gentiles, never a reference that Gentiles either met or were forced to meet on Sabbath!
And the sda opinion on EW as the so called "spirit of prophecy: is well known!

Paul met on a Sunday once!! Every other meeting was on a Sabbath. All the disciples kept the Sabbath not one word was ever mentioned about changing the Sabbath to the 1st day of the week---ever!! There is no directive from any of them, nor from Christ who was on earth for 40 days after the resurrection! War broke out over no circumcision and you think that something like the sabbath (whom people had been stoned for breaking it) would be changed and go completely unnoticed by everyone???---I am not that dumb!!
I am very glad to hear that EGW is well known---it is just the facts are not known and you obviously do not know them either for you have yet to quote from any of her writings or even the official doctrines of the church for your wild accusations!!

 

[mmksparbud]

The big problem today is the modern SDA's have been doing their level best to try convince outsiders that they believe the Bible only and not Mrs. White. However, the truth remains that many of their unorthodox doctrines certainly are not from the Bible, but originated from the writings and preaching of Mrs. White.

Then you should be able to point out, with biblical references, where any doctrine is against the word of God!!! You do nothing but state falsehoods without ever quoting her or church documents and completely show your ignorance on any of the things you say!! You should have no trouble in documenting your position but do not! We have scriptures to back up what our believes are for they are biblically based---so far you have not done the same for yours.
And we do not try to distance ourselves from EGW at all. We mention her at all evangelistic programs, at church services that are aired. The thing is---our doctrines are not based on her, but from the bible. What are yours based on and where is the proof of the things you say???

 

[mmksparbud]

Of course it is. It is what actually happened on that date that was changed. As you probably know, Mr. Miller predicted that personal, physical return of Jesus Christ to this earth on that date. Now, neither you nor anyone else believes that actually happened. What happened was that, in hindsight, Mrs. White et. al. determined that what really happened on that date was neither physical nor personal. In fact, she determined that it didn't even happen on this earth at all.

MR. MILLER WAS NOT AN SDA!--NONE OF THOSE WHO BELIEVED THIS WERE!! NOT ONE OF THEM FOR THERE WERE NO SDA UNTIL AFTER THIS! WE BECAME SDA AROUND 1866! LONG AFTERWARDS.

again--you guys have no idea of what you are saying!! You do not have accurate info at all and do not even bother to find out what is true and what isn't nor do you even ask for what is true or not!! Try getting actual true facts before spouting off a bunch of baloney!!

 

[YeshuaFan]

The big problem today is the modern SDA's have been doing their level best to try convince outsiders that they believe the Bible only and not Mrs. White. However, the truth remains that many of their unorthodox doctrines certainly are not from the Bible, but originated from the writings and preaching of Mrs. White.

The Sda holds to EW as the spirit of prophecy and that whatever she wrote and stated on the scriptures truths, her views are infallible amd must be held!

 

[YeshuaFan]

Paul met on a Sunday once!! Every other meeting was on a Sabbath. All the disciples kept the Sabbath not one word was ever mentioned about changing the Sabbath to the 1st day of the week---ever!! There is no directive from any of them, nor from Christ who was on earth for 40 days after the resurrection! War broke out over no circumcision and you think that something like the sabbath (whom people had been stoned for breaking it) would be changed and go completely unnoticed by everyone???---I am not that dumb!!
I am very glad to hear that EGW is well known---it is just the facts are not known and you obviously do not know them either for you have yet to quote from any of her writings or even the official doctrines of the church for your wild accusations!!

Gentiles NEVER were put under the Sabbath, as that was ceremonial Law given to Israel alone!

 

[YeshuaFan]

MR. MILLER WAS NOT AN SDA!--NONE OF THOSE WHO BELIEVED THIS WERE!! NOT ONE OF THEM FOR THERE WERE NO SDA UNTIL AFTER THIS! WE BECAME SDA AROUND 1866! LONG AFTERWARDS.

again--you guys have no idea of what you are saying!! You do not have accurate info at all and do not even bother to find out what is true and what isn't nor do you even ask for what is true or not!! Try getting actual true facts before spouting off a bunch of baloney!!

EW was the spirit of prophecy starting 1844, and she held that God had shut down doorway to salvation, as He was coming back very soon !

 

[YeshuaFan]

Then you should be able to point out, with biblical references, where any doctrine is against the word of God!!! You do nothing but state falsehoods without ever quoting her or church documents and completely show your ignorance on any of the things you say!! You should have no trouble in documenting your position but do not! We have scriptures to back up what our believes are for they are biblically based---so far you have not done the same for yours.
And we do not try to distance ourselves from EGW at all. We mention her at all evangelistic programs, at church services that are aired. The thing is---our doctrines are not based on her, but from the bible. What are yours based on and where is the proof of the things you say???

Investigative judgement is heresy, as that denies Pauline Justification, and even the Sda admits among its scholars cannot be found and proven in the Bible!

 

[YeshuaFan]

Of course it is. It is what actually happened on that date that was changed. As you probably know, Mr. Miller predicted that personal, physical return of Jesus Christ to this earth on that date. Now, neither you nor anyone else believes that actually happened. What happened was that, in hindsight, Mrs. White et. al. determined that what really happened on that date was neither physical nor personal. In fact, she determined that it didn't even happen on this earth at all.

Her Investigate Judgement doctrine is heart of Sda theology, and since even they admit cannot be found in bible, their theology all based upon EW alleged visions!
Sda had best scholars spend 5 years researching that, and could find nothing to support it, see Desmond Ford!

 

[Major1]

Of course it is. It is what actually happened on that date that was changed. As you probably know, Mr. Miller predicted that personal, physical return of Jesus Christ to this earth on that date. Now, neither you nor anyone else believes that actually happened. What happened was that, in hindsight, Mrs. White et. al. determined that what really happened on that date was neither physical nor personal. In fact, she determined that it didn't even happen on this earth at all.

AMEN!

 

[Major1]

I'm 69 years old! I was raised SDA---le3ft for 30po years for bad behavior, returned for the last 35 years---I know all the history, far more than you! Before I came back I researched all other religions and refreshed myself on this one. I know exactly what you are talking about and I agree----the date is totally accurate!! Still is!

You seem to be well informed so then you will understand that With knowledge comes more accountability and responsibility.

 

[Major1]

Her Investigate Judgement doctrine is heart of Sda theology, and since even they admit cannot be found in bible, their theology all based upon EW alleged visions!
Sda had best scholars spend 5 years researching that, and could find nothing to support it, see Desmond Ford!

At the heart of the "Investigative Judgment" is the fact that it is rooted in REPLACEMENT Theology.

The idea that Christians are the focus of that false teaching is the simple fact that Daniel was speaking to HIS PEOPLE the Jews. He had no concept or idea of a church or of Christians being investigated and judged.

Daniel 9:24......
"Seventy 'weeks' are decreed for YOUR people and YOUR holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place."