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Heaven—What is the barebones,minimum requirement to get there?

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How do you show that you have faith in jesus?

By the quality of a changed life, by your giving up sinful habits, adopting more 'healthy' or 'helpful' habits.
Things like stopping swearing, getting drunk/drugs, speeding, paying all ones taxes, not watching porn etc etc etc.

We would call that pietism, and some of us see that as potentially deadly, because it can easily major in the minors. A Christian that never swears but still feels justified acting cruelly, for instance, is not showing evidence of a living faith.

Besides, we Lutherans have the small vice of tending to swear more than a little. Not all of us, but some of us just don't see it as that big of a deal.
 
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Seeing oneself as a lost sinner who needs a Saviour,would be my guess....Lord Jesus, have mercy on me, a sinner is adequate to save ,I think.....anybody out there see things differently than I do?
Picking up your cross and following Christ wherever He'd lead you. This implies faith to begin with, of course, along with the other virtues of hope (trust, confidence) and most importantly love. We need to be on that path of transformation, remaining in Christ and He in us. Then He does the judging in the end.
 
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Seeing oneself as a lost sinner who needs a Saviour,would be my guess....Lord Jesus, have mercy on me, a sinner is adequate to save ,I think.....anybody out there see things differently than I do?

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Perhaps, but let's just remember the thief on the cross next to Jesus didn't go through a confessional. He believed in his heart that we was facing his Lord, and he was saved.

Actually, he did confess being sinful.

One of the criminals who were hanged there was hurling abuse at Him, saying, “Are You not the Christ? Save Yourself and us!”

But the other answered, and rebuking him said, “Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving what we deserve for our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.” And he was saying, “Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!

And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.”


If we analyze the thief's words, we see some similarity with others.

A. I am lost. I'm not in a good place. I'm in darkness I cannot fathom.
B. I cannot save myself. I can't climb out of this hole on my own.
C. I need a savior, and it's none of these people around me who claim to be saviors (even if I don't actually know the name "Jesus," I know I need Jesus).

The thief on the cross, the repentant tax collector, even Job all knew this.
 
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Seeing oneself as a lost sinner who needs a Saviour,would be my guess....Lord Jesus, have mercy on me, a sinner is adequate to save ,I think.....anybody out there see things differently than I do?
Before or after salvation?
 
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Actually, he did confess being sinful.

What we are wary of is the notion that a ritualized religious type behavior justifies us before God in itself. Some Christians make confessing their sins a mechanistic, even legalistic, type of relationship with God, when it should really be the result of the prompting of our conscience by the Holy Spirit.

To be honest, I don't pray to God for forgiveness like many evangelicals do, except on Sundays as part of the general confession. When I do something wrong, I try to learn from my mistakes. That's what God really wants us to do. Not because we have to, to be loved, but because it's the right thing to do.

Many Christians honestly might benefit from a more thorough moral inventory of their lives, especially if they are completely unfamiliar with asceticism. I have a history of anxiety and I've come to realize it's not healthy to obsess about my faults, that it doesn't lead to good fruit.
 
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Seeing oneself as a lost sinner who needs a Saviour,would be my guess....Lord Jesus, have mercy on me, a sinner is adequate to save ,I think.....anybody out there see things differently than I do?

Yup..... that is exactly what was shown to Pastor Rick Joyner in a visionary dream of heaven that was given to him back in 1995......


The Final Quest [English] Rick Joyner

Please scroll down to the heading......
The Truth of Grace

......

Pastor Rick Joyner........ " I then noticed someone I had known on earth. He had been a faithful believer, but I did not think he had done anything of significance. He was so physically unattractive on earth that it had made him shy. Here he had the same features, but was somehow more handsome than any person I had known on earth. He stepped up to me with an assurance and dignity that I had never seen in him, or anyone, before.

"Heaven is much greater than we could have dreamed while on earth," he began. "This room is but the threshold of realms of glory that are far beyond the ability we had to comprehend. It is also true that the second death is much more terrible than we understood. Neither heaven or hell are like we thought they were. If I had known on earth what I know here I would not have lived the way that I did. You are blessed with a great grace to have come here before you have died." he said while looking at my garments.

I then looked at myself. I still had the old mantle of humility on, with the armor under it. I felt both foul and crude standing before those who were so regal and beautiful. I began to think that I was in serious trouble if I was going to appear before the Lord like this. Like the eagles, my old acquaintance could understand my thoughts, and he replied to them:

"Those who come here wearing that mantle have nothing to fear. That mantle is the highest rank of honor, and it is why they all bowed to you while you passed."

"I did not notice anyone bowing to me," I replied, a bit disconcerted.

"It is not improper," he continued. "Here we show each other the respect that is due. Even the angels serve us here, but only our God and His Christ are worshiped."

I was still ashamed. I had to retrain myself to keep from bowing to these glorious ones, while at the same time wanting to hide myself because I looked so bad. Then I began lamenting the fact that my thoughts here were just as foolish here as they were one earth, and here everyone knew them! I felt both stained and stupid standing before these who were so awesome and pure. Again my old acquaintance responded to these thoughts.

"We have our incorruptible bodies now, and you do not. Our minds are no longer hindered by sin. We are therefore able to comprehend many times what even the greatest earthly mind can fathom, and we will spend eternity growing in our ability to understand. This is so that we can know the Father, and understand the glory of His creation. On earth you cannot even begin to understand what the least of these here know, and we are the least of those here."

"How could you be the least?" I asked with disbelief.

"There is an aristocracy here. The rewards for our earthly lives are the eternal positions that we have here. This great multitude here are those whom the Lord called 'foolish virgins.' We knew the Lord, and trusted in His cross for deliverance from damnation, but we did not really live for Him, but for ourselves. We did not keep our vessels filled with the oil of the Holy Spirit. We have eternal life, but we wasted our lives on earth."

I was really surprised by this, but I also knew that no one could lie in that place.

"The foolish virgins gnashed their teeth in the outer darkness," I protested.

"And that we did. The grief that we experienced when we understood how we had so wasted our lives was beyond any grief possible on earth. The darkness of that grief can only be understood by those who have experienced it. Such darkness is magnified when it is revealed next to the glory of the One we failed. You are standing now among the lowest rank in heaven. There are no greater fools than the ones who know the great salvation of God, but then go on living for themselves. To come here and learn the reality of that folly is a grief beyond what an earthly soul can experience. We are those who suffered this outer darkness because of this greatest of follies."

I was still incredulous. "But you are more glorious and full of more joy and peace than I even imagined, even for those in heaven. I do not feel any remorse in you, and yet I know that here you cannot lie. This does not make sense to me."

Looking me straight in the eyes, he continued, "The Lord also loves us with a love greater than you can yet understand. Before His judgment seat I tasted the greatest darkness of soul and remorse that can be experienced. Though here we do not measure time as you do, it seemed to last for as long as my life on earth had lasted. All of my sins and follies which I had not repented of passed before me, and before all who are here. The grief of this you cannot understand until you have experienced it. I felt that I was in the deepest dungeon of hell, even as I stood before the Lord. He was resolute until my life had been completely reviewed. When I said I was sorry and asked for the mercy of His cross, He wiped away my tears and took away the great darkness. He looked at me with a love that was beyond anything that you can now understand. He gave me this robe. I no longer feel the darkness or bitterness that I knew as I stood before Him, but I remember it. Only here can you remember such things without continuing to feel the pain. A moment in the lowest part of heaven is much greater than a thousand years of the highest life on earth. Now my mourning at my folly has been turned into joy, and I know that I will know joy forever, even if I am in the lowest place in heaven."

I began to think again of the treasures of salvation. Somehow I knew that all that this man had told me was revealed by those treasures. Every step I had taken up the mountain, or into it, had revealed that His ways are both more fearful and more wonderful than I had known before.

Looking at me intently, my former acquaintance continued. "You are not here to understand, but to experience. The next level of rank here is many times greater than what we have. Each level after is that much greater than the previous one. It is not just that each level has an even more glorious spiritual body, but that each level is closer to the throne where all of the glory comes from. Even so, I no longer feel the grief of my failure. I really deserve nothing. I am here by grace alone, and I am so thankful for what I have. He is so worthy to be loved. I could be doing many wondrous things now in the different realms of heaven, but I would rather stay here and just behold the glory, even if I am on the outer fringes."

Then, with a distant look in his eyes, he added, "Everyone in heaven is now in this room to watch His great mystery unfold, and to watch those of you who will fight the last battle." "Can you see Him from here?" I asked. "I see His glory far away, but I cannot see Him."

"I can see many times better than you can," he answered. "And yes, I can see Him, and all that He is doing, even from here. I can also hear Him. I can also behold the earth. He gave us all that power. We are the great cloud of witnesses who are beholding you."

He departed back into the ranks and I began walking again, trying to understand all that he had said to me. As I looked over the great host that he had said were the foolish virgins, the ones who had spiritually slept away their life on earth, I knew that if any one of them appeared on earth now that they would be worshiped as gods, and yet they were the very least of those who were here!

I then began to think of all of the time that I had wasted in my life. It was such an overwhelming thought that I stopped. Then parts of my life began to pass before me. I began to experience a terrible grief over this one sin. I too had been one of the greatest of fools! I may have kept more oil in my lamp than others, but now I knew how foolish I had been to measure what was required of me by how others were doing. I, too, was one of the foolish virgins!" (Pastor Rick Joyner, The Final Quest).
 
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Seeing oneself as a lost sinner who needs a Saviour,would be my guess....Lord Jesus, have mercy on me, a sinner is adequate to save ,I think.....anybody out there see things differently than I do?
We can't really judgje who's there or not from the dead because we aren't there.

But based off the bible one must repent, be baptized, and get the HOly Ghost to make it.
 
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cultivate a heart that desires to do the utmost for His Highness instead of looking to do the least you have to do for the kingdom to squeak by.

those who adopt a "bare minimum" attitude are like kane who's sacrifice was rejected.
 
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Seeing oneself as a lost sinner who needs a Saviour,would be my guess....Lord Jesus, have mercy on me, a sinner is adequate to save ,I think.....anybody out there see things differently than I do?
There are types of salvation and glory.

Matthew 10:42 (WEB - Public Domain) "Whoever gives one of these little ones just a cup of cold water to drink in the name of a disciple, most certainly I tell you he will in no way lose his reward."

Peter gained greater glory by following and obeying Jesus. Peter was able to walk on water and to see God healing people in his presence.
 
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Seeing oneself as a lost sinner who needs a Saviour,would be my guess....Lord Jesus, have mercy on me, a sinner is adequate to save ,I think.....anybody out there see things differently than I do?

Repentance (forsaking) of sin and trusting in Jesus Christ, by faith alone, by His grace alone, in Jesus Christ alone.

"a sinner is adequate to save" is not a Biblical understanding. We are dead in our sins against the holy God. There is nothing "adequate" in us at all. It is by God's grace alone.
 
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Some Christians believe that it is important to have no unconfessed grave/mortal sin on one's soul at the time of death. They could well be right. The Early Church appears to have placed a great emphasis upon the importance of avoiding grave sins.

Nothing in the Bible that follows after that kind of thought that I am aware of. All sin is rebellion to God. There is no categorized sin in the Bible as if some sins are minor and some major.

Moreover, if someone believes this, what if they have committed a "grave/mortal" sin that they forgot about? I guess their out of luck huh?

The early church, while many valuable things can be learned from them, is not the sole infallible rule of faith for the Christian.
 
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The thief who had no chance to go to a confession was held accountable to what he had the chance to do repentance wise before death. But for those of us who have the time and do not work, it is indicative of a lack of faith. Faith without works is dead.

This would be a contradiction, since the thief had no "works".
 
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Nothing in the Bible that follows after that kind of thought that I am aware of. All sin is rebellion to God. There is no categorized sin in the Bible as if some sins are minor and some major.

Moreover, if someone believes this, what if they have committed a "grave/mortal" sin that they forgot about? I guess their out of luck huh?

The early church, while many valuable things can be learned from them, is not the sole infallible rule of faith for the Christian.

While all sin is offensive against God, it's not true that all sins are equally offensive to our neighbor (sexual fantasies don't necessarily offend your neighbor, but sleeping with his wife certainly would). And since God cares about the world, and we should do likewise, it says alot about our real trust in God if we dismiss the ethical implications of God's law because of a perceived license in our gratuitous justification and Christian freedom.

So, I think it is indeed pious for many folks to confess grave sins to God, and more importantly to pray to God for strength, even if it is not strictly necessary for all to do so.
 
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Seeing oneself as a lost sinner who needs a Saviour,would be my guess....Lord Jesus, have mercy on me, a sinner is adequate to save ,I think.....anybody out there see things differently than I do?
Letting go of one's own need to justify oneself and truly trust in God to cleanse you.
 
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SkyWriting said:

Nearly all sins can be forgiven.

Can you explain this? By "nearly all"? Is Christ's sacrifice on the cross sufficient or not? Does Christ fail in what He attempts to do?
"“Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven." Matthew 12:31
 
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Blood Bought asked,
Heaven—What is the barebones,minimum requirement to get there?

BB Why would you settle for bare bones minimum when the God of Glory wants to shower His blessings upon you?
 
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