Well, I first wanted to say thank you for being kind with me. Also, thank you for taking a stand in how we need to obey the Lord as a part of being in God's kingdom.
You're welcome. You were a pleasure to dialogue with because you are willing to dialogue with a truly seeking heart of faith, and so you are right to critically question, and you were also willing to listen.
So dialoguing with you is different then those who pridefully allow their pre-programmed bias blind or block them from any meaningful dialogue - even to the point of re-interpreting or ignoring the Scriptures (in context) just to hold onto their prideful bias. God will judge the intentions of the heart.
Anyways, to get down to business: I believe that faith can refer to a belief alone that then manifests itself as the work of faith. I say this because James says faith without works is dead (James 2:17), and because James says “You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.” (James 2:24). When James refers to “works” here, he is talking about the “work of faith” in 1 Thessalonians 1:3, and 2 Thessalonians 1:11. When James refers to faith in context to works, he is referring to the 1st aspect of our salvation that we need to have in Jesus. A belief or trust in the Lord as our Savior and a belief in the gospel in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. So naturally faith starts off as a belief and or trust in Jesus in being saved by God's grace without the deeds of the Law. We throw ourselves down before the mercy of the Lord Jesus Christ and call out to Him for salvation (Romans 10:13). We believe in the gospel in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. That to me is the gospel. But the gospel does call us. It calls us in.... God having chosen us to salvation through Sanctification of the Spirit and a belief of the truth (See: 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14). Surely the gospel call is not the same thing as the gospel. A call of the gospel and the gospel are two different things.
I agree. Faith starts out with believing in the Gospel that was preached. That kind of faith in itself saves no one
The faith, by which God saves us, is taking to heart what we now believe about the Gospel, and be willing to
count the cost of what God requires of us to receive the His Grace extended to all of us through the Gospel, which is our entire lives.
Matthew 13:44-46 (WEB)
44 “Again, the Kingdom of Heaven is like a treasure hidden in the field, which a man found, and hid. In his joy, he goes and sells all that he has, and buys that field.
45 “Again, the Kingdom of Heaven is like a man who is a merchant seeking fine pearls,
46 who having found one pearl of great price, he went and sold all that he had, and bought it.
Luke 14:27-35
27 Whoever doesn’t bear his own cross, and come after me, can’t be my disciple.
28 For which of you, desiring to build a tower, doesn’t first sit down and
count the cost, to see if he has enough to complete it? ....
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o therefore whoever of you who doesn’t renounce all that he has, he can’t be my disciple.
34 Salt is good, but if the salt becomes flat and tasteless, with what do you season it?
35 It is fit neither for the soil nor for the manure pile.
And so, the faith God accepts to receive His grace, is the faith of the Gospel - repentance and faith.
Repentance and Faith is that cost - a commitment to dying to the old master of the carnal mind, and now to commit our entire lives to follow Lord Jesus into a holy life of righteousness and love. Therefore faith is a sanctifying of our lives to God. (
Romans 6:19-23;
Colossians 3:1-17)
This is the only faith by which we receive the Spirit of God to lead our faith commitment to Lord Jesus (walking by His Spirit in us) to victory - freeing the believer from sin's penalty and enslaving power over our lives as believer continue in the same faith.
Galatians 5:24-25 (WEB)
24 Those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts.
25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.
I agree. Faithfulness would be the best way to understand the fruit of the Spirit called “faith.”
I believe the same can be said for Hebrews 11. It would be both a belief or trust in God plus faith in action (faithfulness).
True. I also think that a non-believer can exhibit the fruit of faithfulness, even though not having the Spirit indwelling them - for God, even before Lord Jesus was born in the flesh - enlightens all people that come into the world (
John 1:9), although many resist that enlightening.
I have known unbelievers whom I would trust my life with above those who call themselves Christians. They are trustworthy.
Romans 2:13-16 (WEB)
13 For it isn’t the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law will be justified 14 (for when Gentiles who don’t have the law do by nature the things of the law, these, not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience testifying with them, and their thoughts among themselves accusing or else excusing them) 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men, according to my Good News, by Jesus Christ.
I again believe the full version of the gospel to be what Paul told us in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
That is the core of the Gospel.
1 Corinthians 15:1-6 Young's Literal Translation
1 And I make known to you, brethren, the good news that I proclaimed to you, which also ye did receive, in which also ye have stood, 2 through which also ye are being saved, in what words I proclaimed good news to you, if ye hold fast, except ye did believe in vain,
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for I delivered to you first, what also I did receive, that Christ died for our sins, according to the Writings, 4 and that he was buried, and that he hath risen on the third day, according to the Writings...
The Gospel, in its entirety, is defined in the New Testament, and is designed to make disciples of all nations, teaching them to obey all things Lord Jesus commanded of us (
Matthew 28:19-20).
Romans 16:25-27 (NIV)
25 Now to him who is able to establish you
in accordance with my gospel, the message I proclaim about Jesus Christ, in keeping with the revelation of the
mystery hidden for long ages past, 26 but
now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, so that
all the Gentiles might come to the obedience that comes from faith — 27 to the only wise God be glory forever through Jesus Christ! Amen.
I agree that faith (belief or trust in the gospel in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 and in God's grace and mercy) manifests itself as the work of faith (or faithfulness), which is a part of the faith. I believe this kind of faith is what also saves, as well. 1 John 1:7 is a big one for me that proves this truth clearly.
If we walk in the light (a work of faith) (i.e. loving our brother as we abide in God), the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin (i.e. salvation).
Yes, I agree.
I believe we cannot put the cart (work of faith) before the horse (Being saved by God's grace and mercy and by believing the gospel in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4). For this type of faith is the kind that is without the deeds of the Law. It is the first aspect of salvation that is focused on the grace of God. For this is what the Pharisee failed to see in the Parable of the Tax Collector and the Pharisee. He wanted to make it all about works, when he himself needed to be like the Tax Collector and cry out to the Lord in seeking forgiveness over his sins. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved (Romans 10:13).
Very true.
May the Lord's good ways always be upon you.
May the Lord Jesus bless you richly as you continue in the faith.