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Featured Guess we should follow GOD's LAW on Diet

Discussion in 'Current News & Events' started by Original Happy Camper, Jan 22, 2020.

  1. Original Happy Camper

    Original Happy Camper One of GODS Children I am a historicist Supporter

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    Leviticus 11:7
    And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.

    Jesus told Noah
    Genesis 7:2
    Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female

    Two Concerning Meat-Related Diseases Booming in China

    "Now, a SARS-like disease is back in China. “Because some of the patients worked at a seafood market where birds, snakes, and organs of rabbits and other game were also reportedly sold,” there is concern that the pathogen comes from animals like SARS reported Bloomberg this month.

    And there’s another meat-based disease that could become a pandemic. African swine fever (ASF), caused by the African swine fever virus (ASFV), has killed one-fourth of the world’s pigs, including half of all China’s factory farm pigs. In addition to Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, North Korea, and the Philippines, ASF has spread to Europe, dashing EU pig farmers’ hopes of exporting to China and other devastated regions."
     
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  2. Aussie Pete

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    I follow God's advice to Peter: …
    13Then a voice said to him: “Get up, Peter, kill and eat!” 14“No, Lord!” Peter answered. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.” 15The voice spoke to him a second time: “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”…

    It is, of course, a reference to the Gentiles being included in the New Covenant. It is also a liberation from the food laws in the Old Testament. Aboriginal Australians have been eating "unclean" critters for thousands of years. It's not done them any harm. Now you won't get me eating snakes or lizards or bugs. But that's not a religious thing. I regularly eat shark, which is forbidden and occasionally oysters, also forbidden. And ham and bacon are top of the food group for me. If it's farmed, handled and cooked correctly, there is no problem with any foods.
     
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  3. Original Happy Camper

    Original Happy Camper One of GODS Children I am a historicist Supporter

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    please show me where God has undone part of his creation from the scripture.

    Also do you have scripture where Peter ate unclean food as describe by the word of the Lord.

    Matthew 4:4
    But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

    Hebrews 13:8
    Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
     
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  4. Dan1988

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    From my understanding of the scriptures, the old testament dietary laws don't apply to us under the new covenant. All of the moral laws remain in place but those concerning food are not found in the NT.

    The Lord Jesus Christ kept the whole of the law and fulfilled all the requirements on our behalf, so all we need to do is trust in His finished work.

    God does command us to take good care of our bodies, as they belong to Him so we have no right to defile or pollute them in any way. We should be very careful abut what we eat and not to eat more than we need to.

    The only point I'm trying to make here is that the OT dietary requirements are not linked to our salvation, as they were under the old covenant.
     
  5. Original Happy Camper

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    SO God told Noah clean and unclean animals (he was not under what you imply is the old covenant) implication that the clean and unclean animals existed from creation.

    God told Moses to write down the diet laws that he dictated to Moses with regard to clean and unclean animals.

    Question why do we not have clean and unclean animals today?
    Did God change or is it because of disobedience?

    2 John 1:6
    And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

    Matthew 15:9
    But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

    If there is no unclean animals today the the following verses in the Bible need to be removed

    Matthew 4:4
    But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

    Hebrews 13:8
    Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
     
  6. Handmaid for Jesus

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    Everything God created was good. He did not create anything that was not good. I think all of us can agree on that.But, think with me for a moment. Where did the unclean animals come from? All that God created was good, but, by the time Noah went into the ark, there were clean and unclean animals. I have a theory, but I want to know what you all think. :)
     
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  7. yeshuaslavejeff

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    I didn't look up "pandemic", but there are many problems associated with most meat.

     
  8. Handmaid for Jesus

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    Yes unclean food has been eaten since time began. But, that does not make it healthy. Have you ever really thought about why God designated some animals unclean?
     
  9. A Realist

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    It's interesting that the article you referenced doesn't condemn the act of raising pigs for meat or eating pork. The article is denouncing factory farms.

    You should find an article more relevant to your point.
     
  10. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Like 'WHY' did the Creator make so many people who die without faith, without hope, to be resurrected to judgment and destruction ? With Perfect Wisdom Creating all things, and all life..... With Perfect Knowledge of all things before they happen .....

    "To show forth His Perfect Wisdom Eternally to all the angels and beings in heaven...."

    His Choice.
     
  11. paul1149

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    What you eat is your business, whether it be for health or personal preference. But religiously we have:

    And he said to them, “Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him, since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?” ( Thus he declared all foods clean.) -Mark 7:18-19
     
  12. Original Happy Camper

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    HI Handmaid

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made (John 1:1-3).
     
  13. Original Happy Camper

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    Context of Mark 7

    That Which Defiles
    7 The Pharisees and some of the teachers of the law who had come from Jerusalem gathered around Jesus 2 and saw some of his disciples eating food with hands that were defiled, that is, unwashed. 3 (The Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they give their hands a ceremonial washing, holding to the tradition of the elders. 4 When they come from the marketplace they do not eat unless they wash. And they observe many other traditions, such as the washing of cups, pitchers and kettles.a]">[a])

    5 So the Pharisees and teachers of the law asked Jesus, “Why don’t your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with defiled hands?”

    6 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:

    “‘These people honor me with their lips,
    but their hearts are far from me.
    7 They worship me in vain;
    their teachings are merely human rules.’b]">[b]

    8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.”

    ( Thus he declared all foods clean.)
    Those are in brackets because they aren't in the original Greek.
     
  14. paul1149

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    What evidence do you have of this? Of course, the parentheses themselves aren't in the Greek texts, but the words are. The parentheses are added to indicate that it is now the narrator, Mark, speaking rather than Jesus. We have commentary from the early church fathers, including Origin, on the phrase, so it was well known and accepted even back then. Only one commentator that I found, Ellicott, suggests as a possibility that the phrase could have been a marginal conjecture that made its way into the text

    Here's one helpful post I found on this verse:

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    This is not a question of textual criticism, nor is there any reason to reject the authenticity of Mark 7:19. It is entirely a question of interpreting the text. Let us look at the oldest versions:

    The Greek original has:

    οτι ουκ εισπορευεται αυτου εις την καρδιαν αλλ εις την κοιλιαν και εις τον αφεδρωνα εκπορευεται καθαριζων παντα τα βρωματα

    The Pshitta has:

    ܕ݁ܠܳܐ ܗ݈ܘܳܐ ܠܠܶܒ݁ܶܗ ܥܳܐܶܠ ܐܶܠܳܐ ܠܟ݂ܰܪܣܶܗ ܘܡܶܫܬ݁ܕ݂ܶܐ ܒ݁ܬ݂ܰܕ݂ܟ݁ܺܝܬ݂ܳܐ ܕ݁ܰܡܕ݂ܰܟ݁ܝܳܐ ܟ݁ܽܠܳܗ ܡܶܐܟ݂ܽܘܠܬ݁ܳܐ ܀

    The Old Syriac (Vetus Syrus) has:

    ܡܛܠ ܕܠܐ ܗܘܐ ܓܝܪ ܠܠܒܐ ܥܐܠ ܐܠܐ ܠܟܪܣܐ ܘܡܫܬܕܐ ܠܒܪ ܘܡܬܕܟܐ ܟܘܠܗ ܡܐܟܠܐ

    And the Vulgata has:

    quia non introit in cor eius, sed in uentrem uadit, et in secessum exit, purgans omnes escas

    And compare the KJV:

    Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

    The participle καθαριζων “purifying, purging” can be construed either with αφεδρων “excretive system”, or with the subject of the verb “he said”, that is: Jesus. So the Greek text can mean either that the intestines purify the foods, or else the quotation can end with the word εκπορευεται, followed by the statement that “he” (Jesus) thereby was “purifying all foods”. The Latin has the same ambiguity (purgans can go with secessum, or with the subject of dicebat), but the Pshitta allows only the former interpretation (ܕ݁ܰܡܕ݂ܰܟ݁ܝܳܐ is feminine and must therefore go with ܬ݂ܰܕ݂ܟ݁ܺܝܬ݂ܳܐ). The Vetus Syrus, however, allows both interpretations, though the latter (with Jesus as the referent) seems very forced.


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  15. Aussie Pete

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    I've survived fit and well for 68 years. The only thing I eat that is forbidden in the OT is pig meat and oysters. Far more people die from worrying about diet than from eating the wrong thing. Yes, there are sensible reasons for the food laws. Those reasons no longer apply in many instances, especially in Australia which has highly effective quarantine procedures. I've asked God for wisdom in what I eat. He has obliged. Some clean foods I can't eat such as stone fruit. They disagree with me. I need salt in my diet in spite of the medical profession throwing up their hands in horror. We are all metabolically slightly different. Eat accordingly.
     
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  16. Yarddog

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    I'm not Jewish so the Jewish dietary laws don't apply to me. This was also shown at the counsel at Jerusalem where the Apostles did not apply the Mosaic Law to the Gentiles
     
  17. Greengardener

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    What comes to mind as I read this thread is this, for what it might be worth to the reader:
    I've heard the argument often that since Jesus fulfilled the law we don't have to, but I have yet to meet anyone who really believes that if I kill people, commit adultery, bear false witness, or dishonor my parents that I'm still perfectly OK with man or with God without repenting (repenting means turning away from that kind of behavior), and I find that point interesting. I was just reading tonight in James, 1 Peter and 2 Peter, and it seems really obvious to me that if you were only hearing them as the gospel message of Jesus Christ, you would easily see that they point to a Jesus Christ who fulfilled the Law of God and expects us to add all diligence to do likewise - or risk being found to have disregarded this wonderful gift. If God gave His people special laws and said that the nations around them would be impressed with the wisdom shown by living in God's rule and by this they were to be a light to the nations, and since the laws He gave them for diet and cleanliness were really sensible and kept the community much safer from communicable diseases and foodborne illness in addition to being a safer community for families and people loving a free and peaceful life - so if God did this, why would He change His mind and tell us we can just do what we want and the end result would be the same? In my opinion, Jesus didn't die so I can eat pork or oysters. He died so I can live to Him, not having a righteousness of my own but His. Seems to me that righteousness ought to look a lot like His did - and Peter says I'm to arm myself with the same mind as Christ, to walk as He walked. The writers (James, Peter, Paul, etc.) were writing specific letters to specific places or people for specific reasons, and taking one sentence here or there to prove a point might have us proving lies if we aren't careful, so I discourage collecting proof texts as foundation stones. You might find "Judas went and hanged himself" right next to "Go ye and do likewise." You can see where that kind of reconstructions of texts could get a person in trouble, and I suggest that we would do well to consider carefully what we are actually doing. The way I see it, since we have the Scriptures in our language we have become responsible for knowing what it says and not just what ideology someone handed to us. If we are indeed a kingdom of priests to God, we hold onto and hold out for the people who come to us the very words of God. We have the very words of God, the very words of Christ, the very words of the prophets, and the words of the witnesses that saw Jesus' ministry from the very beginning. I encourage anyone to read the books for yourself and see how our modern Christian philosophies are actually unsubstantiated in the actual message of the Bible taken book by book instead of extracting proof texts. On the other hand, reading to find the real message will also easily show that God indeed gave us His commandments to make us wise - for life and for salvation. In no way does keeping His commandment substitute for faith in Christ or the precious blood of Jesus: indeed, it demonstrates faith and appreciation and agrees with what Jesus Himself taught us that He and His Father are One without even a shadow of changing. That's my humble opinion offered in love to the reader, for what it may be worth.
     
  18. d taylor

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    Just stay with actual food (God grown and given), and away from anything the scientific chemically adjusted creations that are found in most super markets. Example most food items with more that 3 to 5 ingredients are chemical concoctions created by a companies labs (processed food). Stay away from meat heavy on the antibiotics.

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  19. NBB

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    I don't know how some people can misinterpret this verse because more crystal clear impossible:
    "Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience"
     
  20. coffee4u

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    God's law on diet to us is in Acts 10

    9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”


    14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”

    15 The voice spoke to him a second time, Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.


    So did God call all kinds of 4 footed animals, reptiles and birds clean or not?

    We are not under Leviticus 11:7 nor any of the old Testament laws. The pig was unclean, now it is not because God made it clean. "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.” If you feel that you should follow this rule, then you should follow all of them. You can't just pluck one out of Leviticus and say we are under this and discard the rest.

    Colossians 2:21
    21 “Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”? 22 These rules, which have to do with things that are all destined to perish with use, are based on merely human commands and teachings.
    Now no one is saying that you have to eat pork or anything else, but that is not because God calls it unclean or has any command on it.

    Colossians 2:16
    Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
    You can choose what you eat, but do not judge others for what they eat.

    Since you are an American you might want to be more worried about how you have corn syrup is everything. Extremely bad stuff.
     
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