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God created the earth and the earth was without form

Discussion in 'Creation & Theistic Evolution' started by FreeGrace2, May 13, 2021.

  1. FreeGrace2

    FreeGrace2 Senior Veteran

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    Uh, no it doesn't have "multiple meanings depending on context".

    And since you bring up context, there is only 1 verse, which is hardly context.

    And, since God did NOT reveal any history regarding time between v.1 and v.2, we simply don't know.

    But what we DO know is that the LXX translates "waw" as "but" rather than "and". And those translators were far closer to both Hebrew and Koine Greek than anyone today. Plus, "waw" in v.2 is a disjunctive, meaning it indicates a break between the 2 verses. There sure was a break of time. And we don't know how long it was.

    Also, the word "hayah", the verb of existence, meaning "to be, become" according to lexicons, is translated nearly 60% of the time as "become/became" in the exact same form as found in v.2. That same form is translated as "was" only 6% of the time in the OT. And 1 of those times is v.2.

    And "tohu" is translated as a desolate wasteland, or a waste place elsewhere.
     
  2. FreeGrace2

    FreeGrace2 Senior Veteran

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    Nope. Since v.1 says that God created the earth, we know that the earth was matter. And ALL matter has form. Can't get around it.

    So to be without form doesnt make sense. In fact, the earth BECAME a wasteland.
     
  3. FreeGrace2

    FreeGrace2 Senior Veteran

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    Your "correct answer" is only your opinion, and theirs.

    Since the Bible is clear that God made man on the 6th day, so what that there was matter before the 6th day. I don't see your point.

    They aren't presuppositions. There was nothing to pre-suppose.
     
  4. BeyondET

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    if it is translated 6% of the time what makes you think v2 isn't part of the 6% that it has to be of the 60%
     
  5. BeyondET

    BeyondET Well-Known Member Supporter

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    before the invention of verse numbering system 1551AD, in my opinion verse 1 genesis is the title of the chapter of latter days. they certainly didn't read it as genesis verse 1
     
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  6. Theopolitan

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    Wow. That's really scholarly right there, that.
     
  7. FreeGrace2

    FreeGrace2 Senior Veteran

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    Why don't you do some work yourself, so you can see for yourself?

    I recommend starting with biblehub.com so you can see how every word in a verse is translated elsewhere. I think you may be surprised.
     
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