GOD CREATED EVIL, Period!

[Ishraqiyun]

Evil is experienced only in the realm of appearances and has nothing to do with essence. It's illusory. Evil is like the snake we see when we look at a coiled up rope in dim light. The reality is rope the delusional experience is snake. When Reality is seen evil is forgotten. Like waking up from a dream. There is no ultimately existing category called "evil" to create in the first place.

 

[Lillen]

God did not create evil!!! He created Lucifer, or the King of Tyre, who was a Archangel, perfect from the days he was created until iniquity was found in him... God created the angels and many angels chose to rebel against God, this was when God threw them out of heaven!!!

Lamentation for the King of Tyre


11 Moreover the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 12 “Son of man, take up a lamentation for the king of Tyre, and say to him, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD:


“ You were the seal of perfection,
Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:
The sardius, topaz, and diamond,
Beryl, onyx, and jasper,
Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold.
The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes
Was prepared for you on the day you were created.
14“ You were the anointed cherub who covers;
I established you;
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created,
Till iniquity was found in you.
16“ By the abundance of your trading
You became filled with violence within,
And you sinned;
Therefore I cast you as a profane thing
Out of the mountain of God;
And I destroyed you, O covering cherub,
From the midst of the fiery stones.
17“ Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty;
You corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor;
I cast you to the ground,
I laid you before kings,
That they might gaze at you.
18“ You defiled your sanctuaries
By the multitude of your iniquities,
By the iniquity of your trading;
Therefore I brought fire from your midst;
It devoured you,
And I turned you to ashes upon the earth
In the sight of all who saw you.
19 All who knew you among the peoples are astonished at you;
You have become a horror,
And shall be no more forever.”’”

 

[Hismessenger]

Until iniquity was found in you

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Where did this iniquity come from if it was not there from the creation?

hismessenger

 

[Zeena]

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Where did this iniquity come from if it was not there from the creation?

hismessenger

James 1:14
But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

The Valley of Achor

 

[OzSpen]

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Where did this iniquity come from if it was not there from the creation?

hismessenger

I find that it started in Genesis 3. It was not there from the very beginning. However, the human responsibility that God gave to Adam and Eve seems to have been the embryo for this iniquity.

 

[OzSpen]

Evil is experienced only in the realm of appearances and has nothing to do with essence. It's illusory. Evil is like the snake we see when we look at a coiled up rope in dim light. The reality is rope the delusional experience is snake. When Reality is seen evil is forgotten. Like waking up from a dream. There is no ultimately existing category called "evil" to create in the first place.

Try telling that to the person who has been raped. Or to the child who has been violated by a paedophile. Or to the families who are grieving from the evil performed in Norway!

 

[Hismessenger]

I find that it started in Genesis 3. It was not there from the very beginning. However, the human responsibility that God gave to Adam and Eve seems to have been the embryo for this iniquity.

And God the creator didn't know what he had created in them? Or what would occur in the creation knowing what he planned from the beginning to the end. Can you not see the error of that thinking?

hismessenger

 

[SeraphimsCherub]

Maybe GOD Created the power of evil,as a Necessary consequence that follows the coarse of "sin",which is to transgress against His Command's(Law), which is Holy, and Good! That His Righteous Judgment against sin, maybe manifest in the mind's of men by the "evil" that "appears" because of it! The coarse of wrong doing is in the depraved fallen will of angels first,and then men thereafter, the Power to Righteously inflict wrong doing with evil is GOD'S! For Genesis 1:3,4 is the very essence of what GOD Is Always Doing,First in the Spiritual Realm, which then becomes manifest in the physical realm, and that is:Genesis 1:3-4 (KJV)Ge 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and (((God divided the light from the darkness.)))
GOD is always "dividing", and "separating" light from darkness, and good from evil, and that which is positive from that which is negative, down to very atoms within us all.

 

[OzSpen]

And God the creator didn't know what he had created in them? Or what would occur in the creation knowing what he planned from the beginning to the end. Can you not see the error of that thinking?

hismessenger

You are not addressing the comment that I made.

 

[Hismessenger]

Try telling that to the person who has been raped. Or to the child who has been violated by a paedophile. Or to the families who are grieving from the evil performed in Norway!

My response covers even this. Do you think God didn't know these things before, long before, they occurred.

hismessenger

 

[Zeena]

Even if He knew bad things would happen, He certainly didn't plan for them to happen.

[Besides making a way (through His Christ) for us to cease from doing evil and learn to do good.]

 

[Hismessenger]

How do you create something from beginning to end and have holes in your plan you aren't aware of. God planned the creation from beginning to end. there is no aspect of the creation that He didn't plan for His glory. For all who cannot see this, that is where the lack of understanding comes in. In all thy getting get understanding. How can there be parts of a blueprint missing when you build a house and still expect the house to be complete?

hismessenger

 

[Zeena]

How do you create something from beginning to end and have holes in your plan you aren't aware of.

Did I say He wasn't aware of the possiblity of man falling from Grace?

What I said is that He didn't plan for it.

EG;He did not hardwire us so that we WOULD fall.
We are made in HIS Image, after all, and He will NEVER fall!

 

[Hismessenger]

What I said is that He didn't plan for it.

So what is the point of a plan if it is incomplete. I know that God didn't miss a beat and planned every minute detail of this creation even down to the evil for His glory. Most religious minds won't accept this truth because it goes against their own understanding. True obedience says that whatever God has ordained, thy will be done.
I yield what I want to believe to what God has purposed in his divine will. If you can't do that as Christ did, then pray for understanding and surrender yourself to His sovereign power.

hismessenger

 

[Hismessenger]

Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him

How much plainer could it be. Look up the meaning of the word principalities. Here before you is undeniable proof from His word.

1) beginning, origin
2) the person or thing that commences, the first person or thing in a series, the leader
3) that by which anything begins to be, the origin, the active cause
4) the extremity of a thing
a) of the corners of a sail
5) the first place, principality, rule, magistracy
a) of angels and demons

This is simple reading comprehension and only if God doesn't give understanding, a child can see what it says for themselves and know what it means apart from what they think.

hismessenger

 

[Hismessenger]

Jer 18:8"if that nation against whom I have spoken turns from its evil, I will relent of the disaster that I thought to bring upon it.

Jer 26:3 'Perhaps everyone will listen and turn from his evil way, that I may relent concerning the calamity which I purpose to bring on them because of the evil of their doings.'

People like to say what God wouldn't do but here in these two passages God speaks of the disaster(sunami on Vietnam), and the calamity (hurricane Katrina on new Orleans), both of which God considered evils that He thought to do on man kind. When will the truth be believed?

hismessenger

 

[Zeena]

People like to say what God wouldn't do but here in these two passages God speaks of the disaster(sunami on Vietnam), and the calamity (hurricane Katrina on new Orleans), both of which God considered evils that He thought to do on man kind. When will the truth be believed?

hismessenger

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Joel 2:13b
turn unto the LORD your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil.

 

[omegadk1]

Good and evil are not individual entities - good or evil are not created. they just are. you either are good yourself or evil. It seems to me that the debate of "God created evil" is just a way for people to pass the blame of there bad choices on to God.

 

[Hismessenger]

good or evil are not created. they just are

So what you are saying just as many others have stated is that God planned this creation without knowing every aspect of what it is that He created, How then is he sovereign and all knowing. Do you really believe what you are saying or for that matter can you hear what you are saying?"

hismessenger

 

[omegadk1]

He knew it would happen, and chose to allow it to. You keep trying to paint him the bad guy though. I really don't care. God does not need anyone to defend him. We will all see in time.