Originally posted by VOW
To Thunder:
Tolerance, Thunder, Tolerance.
Peace be with you,
~VOW
Just because you preterists don't like to exercise faith and hope, doesn't mean that we can't have faith and hope. What are you gaining from this?? Don't answer that, this thread is for newcomers only.
It does notapply to us today. There is only ONE last days generation in human history. The Olivet Discourse is a teaching about the ONE endtimes generation (Matt 24:33-34).Originally posted by The Messenger
did you know Matthew 24:9, 33-34 still applies today?
Originally posted by The Messenger
Shalom davo
i really do not think new jerusalem itself is the New covenant, as it was ratified at the cross, otherwise Paul would not be so vehement that "we are "discharged" "dead to" and "not under" law...Christ said plainly his "blood" IS the new covenant...all pre 70ad. the spiritual kingdom came in working and power during the first coming of Christ.
Originally posted by The Messenger
hiya parousia70
Genesis 8:21
And when the LORD smelled the pleasing odor, the LORD said in his heart, "I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I ever again destroy every living creature as I have done.
he doesnt...but he does destroy all evil.
Originally posted by The Messenger
I believe what God himself said that when NEXT he wipes life from the earth it will be with fire.
Originally posted by The Messenger
i also know from my studies of the Hebrew language and literature what a chiasm is. the great majority of OT writing is in this form, not understanding this leads to great error. whenever judgement is pronounced on a particular nation or people, there is accompanied with it a reminder that the entire world itself will be judged, as occured in Noah's day.
Originally posted by soulsisterclaire
As a relative newcomer, I am totally ignorant to all this preterist stuff, I don't even know if I spelled it right...
One thing I have learned here in this thread was said by VOW. VOW, you said that Catholics believe that everything in the Book of Revelations has already occurred, in 70 AD?
Are you serious? Is that really what Catholics believe?
Just curious...
[this is not intended to make this a Catholic thread]
Coming from a Catholic background, I can say with confidence that Catholics are very strong "partial preterists" believing that everything in the Book of Revelation up to Chapter 19 or 20 found it's fulfillment in the first century.
Originally posted by Catchup
I have no idea why they must ruin all our threads bombarding them with their beliefs! They are using verses out of context and downplaying or completely ignoring verses that do not support their opinions. What do they have to gain, but to impose their will upon others? I know I am guilty of being pushy, when it comes to an atheist, and maybe that isn't right either. But at least,I am fighting for a soul! All they want is that we all think as they do.They are like children demanding that it be there way! Why can't they just stay out of End Time threads? Do they think that we can cause the world to end, merely by believing it to be true?
Please, just leave us alone!!
Originally posted by parousia70
Messenger,
Are you now back-peddling away from this previous statement you made?:
Originally posted by parousia70
Does He destroy all life or does He not?
Originally posted by parousia70
As far as destruction of evil, when do you believe this happens? Surely it must be sometime after the New H&E are established for scripture is clear that evil people exist on the New earth, just outside the gates of the Holy city:
Originally posted by parousia70
Revelation 22:14-15
14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside [the city] are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.
At what point after this verse do you find the destruction of these evil people who are said to exist outside the city's gates?
Originally posted by davo
Messenger -when you say "the great majority of OT writing is in this form, not understanding this leads to great error" I think you are over-stating the case. There is a lot of chiasmus in both testaments, but certainly not a majority. Can you explain your thoughts around how you see the lack of knowledge of "chiasmus" as impinging on how one understands in this instance -"prophetic passages."
blessings
davo
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