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Futurists vs Preterists

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Willis Deal, Apr 12, 2002.

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  1. Yauming

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    Hello GW,

    This notion is not a major belief- more of a footnote issue - but as it is written in 1 Peter 3

    18For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, 19through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison 20who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built.

    In 1 Peter 3:19- there is a case that Jesus went to Hell (after he was crucified). Not only did He return victorious with a whole chain of the conquered but he also preached to those who died.

    And, no, we do not believe in Purgatory. Except for Hal though LOL :)

    Cheers,

    YM
     
  2. parousia70

    parousia70 I'm livin' in yesterday's tomorrow Supporter

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    Sorry in advance for the sarcasm, but should preterists have our own drinking fountains as well? Our own section at the local diner? Seats at the back of the bus only?

    c'mon gal,
    It's 2002. we have grown up. we can handle the fact that every christian dosen't believe exactly the same on every christian issue.

    How is it not good for the whole to discuss and share our differences with one another?

    Your Brother in Christ
    P70
     
  3. rollinTHUNDER

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    This is a good idea, but there's just one thing wrong with it. They are serving a different purpose. They are here to bust up our fellowship. I would guess that they are either trying to take over this forum, or they think they are doing God a service by scattering the brethren. I must say, they are doing a great job of scattering the members of this forum. The preterists numbers are growing, but the members numbers are decreasing. I believe that this problem will continue until they get BANNED, like the other forums had to do. Every thread here gets ruined now.
     
  4. GW

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    I agree. Completely.


    Hi Yauming.

    It is a much disputed teaching that Christ had a ministry of preaching in Hades/Sheol for 2-3 days. Scholars suggest 3 or 4 possible meanings for this passage. I believe the passage simply shows that Peter is comparing Noah's generation to his own. In both generations Peter sees that Christ preached and water was involved for saving a minority of people.

    In the case of Noah's day, Christ preached "when God waited patiently while the ark was being built" and did so "by the Spirit." This happened in and through Noah (compare also with Christ's preaching in Abraham's and Moses' day (Gal 3:8; 1 Cor 10:1-2,3,9 -- see also 2 Peter 2:4-5,9). So when Peter talks about those "spirits" that were now dead and "in prison" (meaning, in hades/sheol), he is speaking of the ancient dead who died and went to what is known as hades/sheol/tartaros (all greek and Hebrew equivalents of each other) awaiting judgment. That was the place of the O.T. dead. Here's the passage again:


    1 Peter 3:18-21
    "[Jesus] was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, by whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison who disobeyed

    ...[WHEN?]...

    LONG AGO WHEN GOD WAITED PATIENTLY IN THE DAYS OF NOAH while the ark was being built, in which few, that is, eight souls, were saved by water; THE LIKE FIGURE unto which baptism does also NOW save us."



    Peter's point is that Christ's preaching and saving back in Noah's day was a TYPE. Now the same type thing was happening in Peter's day with the essential practice of preaching and BAPTISM to a disobedient majority. We can compare the following scriptures to see that this "preaching" was done in the ancient world by Christ:


     
  5. GW

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    Puh-lease.

    Stop it with the martyr complex already. This is not rollinThunder's board. This is not a Hal Lindsey board.

    We're all Christian adults here, right? We can learn to co-exist with one another, right? Amills and Premils, postribs and pretribs, Protestants and Catholics...we're all in it together. One big happy family.

    Let's act like it. R.T., don't make me ask you your age. :)

    Blessings!
    GW
     
  6. rollinTHUNDER

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    You are on the wrong forum. This forum is discussing prophecies in the future and things to come. This was one happy family, but now many members are no longer with us.
    But your members are joining when they get kicked off other forums, like rapture-ready. I can see how you are all trying to appear like you are now the victim of the of the bad rollinTHUNDER. Being more polite, and minding your manners but only because you know you are walking on thin ice. But the fact still remains, your views don't fit this forum. The mongoose and the snake don't hang together, and neither do the sheep and wolves. Enough said
     
  7. GW

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    ATTN MODERATORS:

    is this really permissible language here by brother rollinThunder? Please advise.



    Rollin, others are polite because we are Christians who respect one another and respect the diversity that does exist in the realm of eschatology.

    I started a thread to discuss Catholic Amillennialism and American Revivalist Postmillennialism. The thread has everything to do with the future and what a HUGE majority of Christians in the world believe will happen in the future -- namely the success and victory of Christ and his Church. Your view can't tolerate such a victory for it teaches just the opposite. Well, deal with it or perhaps spend more time at Rapture Ready where you can preach to the choir.

    Christ's blessings be upon you,
    GW
     
  8. GW

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    rollinThunder,

    Don't make me ask your age.

    :)
     
  9. Mandy

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    Ok,it's cooling off time.
     
  10. Phoenix

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    coughbumpcough
     
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