Futurists vs Preterists

[Yauming]

Originally posted by GW

The notion that Christ had a preaching ministry in Hades/Sheol is one of the best myths I've heard. It's not scriptural. Do you also believe in Purgatory, the related teaching?

Hello GW,

This notion is not a major belief- more of a footnote issue - but as it is written in 1 Peter 3

18For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, 19through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison 20who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built.

In 1 Peter 3:19- there is a case that Jesus went to Hell (after he was crucified). Not only did He return victorious with a whole chain of the conquered but he also preached to those who died.

And, no, we do not believe in Purgatory. Except for Hal though LOL

Cheers,

YM

 

[parousia70]

Originally posted by rpggal
Why not suggest to the admin for another forum about current events, just for preterists?

Sorry in advance for the sarcasm, but should preterists have our own drinking fountains as well? Our own section at the local diner? Seats at the back of the bus only?

c'mon gal,
It's 2002. we have grown up. we can handle the fact that every christian dosen't believe exactly the same on every christian issue.

How is it not good for the whole to discuss and share our differences with one another?

Your Brother in Christ
P70

 

[rollinTHUNDER]

Originally posted by rpggal
Why not suggest to the admin for another forum about current events, just for preterists?

This is a good idea, but there's just one thing wrong with it. They are serving a different purpose. They are here to bust up our fellowship. I would guess that they are either trying to take over this forum, or they think they are doing God a service by scattering the brethren. I must say, they are doing a great job of scattering the members of this forum. The preterists numbers are growing, but the members numbers are decreasing. I believe that this problem will continue until they get BANNED, like the other forums had to do. Every thread here gets ruined now.

 

[GW]

Originally posted by Yauming

This notion is not a major belief- more of a footnote issue

I agree. Completely.

Originally posted by Yauming
- but as it is written in 1 Peter 3:18-20...

Hi Yauming.

It is a much disputed teaching that Christ had a ministry of preaching in Hades/Sheol for 2-3 days. Scholars suggest 3 or 4 possible meanings for this passage. I believe the passage simply shows that Peter is comparing Noah's generation to his own. In both generations Peter sees that Christ preached and water was involved for saving a minority of people.

In the case of Noah's day, Christ preached "when God waited patiently while the ark was being built" and did so "by the Spirit." This happened in and through Noah (compare also with Christ's preaching in Abraham's and Moses' day (Gal 3:8; 1 Cor 10:1-2,3,9 -- see also 2 Peter 2:4-5,9). So when Peter talks about those "spirits" that were now dead and "in prison" (meaning, in hades/sheol), he is speaking of the ancient dead who died and went to what is known as hades/sheol/tartaros (all greek and Hebrew equivalents of each other) awaiting judgment. That was the place of the O.T. dead. Here's the passage again:


1 Peter 3:18-21
"[Jesus] was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, by whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison who disobeyed

...[WHEN?]...

LONG AGO WHEN GOD WAITED PATIENTLY IN THE DAYS OF NOAH while the ark was being built, in which few, that is, eight souls, were saved by water; THE LIKE FIGURE unto which baptism does also NOW save us."


Peter's point is that Christ's preaching and saving back in Noah's day was a TYPE. Now the same type thing was happening in Peter's day with the essential practice of preaching and BAPTISM to a disobedient majority. We can compare the following scriptures to see that this "preaching" was done in the ancient world by Christ:

--compare this--

"For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead"(1 Peter 4:6)

--to this--

"And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham" (Gal 3:8)



--and also compare this--

"in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, who once were disobedient when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark" (1 Peter 3:19-20)

--to this--

"For if God didn't spare angels when they sinned, but cast them down to Tartarus, and committed them to pits of darkness, to be reserved to judgment; and didn't spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah with seven others, a preacher of righteousness, when he brought a flood on the world of the ungodly...the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment to the day of judgment" (2 peter 2:4-5,9)

 

[GW]

Originally posted by rollinTHUNDER
They are here to bust up our fellowship. I would guess that they are either trying to take over this forum, or they think they are doing God a service by scattering the brethren.

Puh-lease.

Stop it with the martyr complex already. This is not rollinThunder's board. This is not a Hal Lindsey board.

We're all Christian adults here, right? We can learn to co-exist with one another, right? Amills and Premils, postribs and pretribs, Protestants and Catholics...we're all in it together. One big happy family.

Let's act like it. R.T., don't make me ask you your age.

Blessings!
GW

 

[rollinTHUNDER]

Originally posted by GW


Puh-lease.

Stop it with the martyr complex already. This is not rollinThunder's board. This is not a Hal Lindsey board.

We're all Christian adults here, right? We can learn to co-exist with one another, right? Amills and Premils, postribs and pretribs, Protestants and Catholics...we're all in it together. One big happy family.

Let's act like it. R.T., don't make me ask you your age.

Blessings!
GW

You are on the wrong forum. This forum is discussing prophecies in the future and things to come. This was one happy family, but now many members are no longer with us.
But your members are joining when they get kicked off other forums, like rapture-ready. I can see how you are all trying to appear like you are now the victim of the of the bad rollinTHUNDER. Being more polite, and minding your manners but only because you know you are walking on thin ice. But the fact still remains, your views don't fit this forum. The mongoose and the snake don't hang together, and neither do the sheep and wolves. Enough said

 

[GW]

Originally posted by rollinTHUNDER
Being more polite, and minding your manners but only because you know you are walking on thin ice. But the fact still remains, your views don't fit this forum. The mongoose and the snake don't hang together, and neither do the sheep and wolves. Enough said

ATTN MODERATORS:

is this really permissible language here by brother rollinThunder? Please advise.


Rollin, others are polite because we are Christians who respect one another and respect the diversity that does exist in the realm of eschatology.

I started a thread to discuss Catholic Amillennialism and American Revivalist Postmillennialism. The thread has everything to do with the future and what a HUGE majority of Christians in the world believe will happen in the future -- namely the success and victory of Christ and his Church. Your view can't tolerate such a victory for it teaches just the opposite. Well, deal with it or perhaps spend more time at Rapture Ready where you can preach to the choir.

Christ's blessings be upon you,
GW

 

[GW]

rollinThunder,

Don't make me ask your age.

 

[Mandy]

Ok,it's cooling off time.

 

[Phoenix]

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