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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by A71, Jan 15, 2018.

  1. John Prewett

    John Prewett Newbie to this forum. Believer since 1973

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    5 He was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies. And he was given authority to wage war for forty-two months.

    No instruction to turn 42 months into 1260 years. Have a nice day. JP
     
  2. Original Happy Camper

    Original Happy Camper One of GODS Children I am a historicist

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    Thanks for droping the use of the expletive

    The day-year principle specifically applies to prophecy:

    This day-year principle specifically applies to prophecy and is used for prophetic interpretation of "days" in prophecies. For example, historicist interpreters have usually understood the "time, times and half a time", "1,260 days" and "42 months" mentioned in Daniel and Revelation to be references to represent a period of 1260 years.

    These time periods occur seven times in scripture:

    Historicists usually believe the "1,260 days" spanned the Middle Ages and concluded within the early modern or modern era. Although many dates have been proposed for the start and finish of the "1,260 days", certain time spans have proven to be more popular than others.

    We, like the earlier Bible students of the Reformation and post-Reformation eras, understand the 1260 "days" to be the period from AD 538 to 1798 when the papacy ruled in Rome. This 1260-year-period began with the defeat of the Ostrogoths by the general Belisarius and ended with the successes of Napoleon of France; specifically, the capture of Pope Pius VI by general Louis Alexandre Berthier in 1798.
     
  3. John Prewett

    John Prewett Newbie to this forum. Believer since 1973

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    I care about heeding the Revelation. I don't give a rat's ass about the man made "day year principle" that you tout.

    Which I'm confident you got from SDAdventist ... same Satanic cult that promulgates the "mark" = Sunday worship bs.
     
  4. Original Happy Camper

    Original Happy Camper One of GODS Children I am a historicist

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    There go again with the expletives

    You do not address the word of God quotes if it does not fit your narrative instead you attack the messenger.

    I now know where your thinking is. Thank you
     
  5. A71

    A71 Well-Known Member

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    It started in 538BC on Cyrus's command
     
  6. John Prewett

    John Prewett Newbie to this forum. Believer since 1973

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    Pointing out that the 42 months = 1260 years IS NOT from the Revelation is not "attacking" you.
    It's just letting you know why I don't agree with your speculation (that you most likely got from SDAdventist)

    Are you claiming you are the 'messenger' ?.... or the SDAdventist are the 'messenger' ?

    Do you deny you are conveying SDAdventist doctrine regarding the Revelation interpretation ?
     
  7. Original Happy Camper

    Original Happy Camper One of GODS Children I am a historicist

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    538 + 490 years =48 BC ???? how do you get to 67 AD?

    457 + 483 +1 = 27 AD Messiah coming
    457 + 490+ 1 = 34 AD Stoning of Stephen and the Gospel to the Gentiles (70 weeks are determined upon my people)

    The 2300-day prophecy, of which the 70-week prophecy is a small part, was to begin at the command that effected the restoration of Jerusalem. This command went forth under King Artaxerxes Longimanus in the year 457 BC (Ezra 7:12-13).

    The angel gives a breakdown of the 70 weeks as follows:

    7 weeks of years for rebuilding of Jerusalem (verse 25)

    62 weeks of years to the Messiah (verses 25-26)

    1 week of years to the close of the period (verse 27)
     
  8. A71

    A71 Well-Known Member

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    How did Messiah come before John?
    John started his ministry in 29AD, the 15th year of Tiberius.

    There are so many problems with your view I do not know where to start.

    God is very explicit in saying the decree came from Cyrus, so we have to start with his word, rather than reverse engineer a solution like you are doing.


     
  9. Original Happy Camper

    Original Happy Camper One of GODS Children I am a historicist

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    I got it from the Bible notice the Bible verses quoted in the post.

    "Are you claiming you are the 'messenger' ?.... or the SDAdventist are the 'messenger' ?"

    You missed what I was intending guess I should have said "poster on this forum" instead of messanger

    "Do you deny you are conveying SDAdventist doctrine regarding the Revelation interpretation ?"

    Sorry to disappoint you but the year for day principle is throughout all denominations, including the futurists which I believe you are.
     
  10. A71

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    I don't think the above is my reply, is it, HC?
     
  11. Original Happy Camper

    Original Happy Camper One of GODS Children I am a historicist

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    No it was to John but if you want to chime in ok got to go do some work now that it is daylight
     
  12. iamlamad

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    Hey John! I can agree with you on this!
     
  13. iamlamad

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    Common sense people that have calendars on their wall can see that 1260 days is the same time period as 42 months and a 360 day year. Therefore, no need whatsoever to come up with a different meaning. Days means 24 hour days. Months means one cycle of the moon or 30 days. time, times and half a time is 3 1/2 years - so years DO come into play, but only 7 of them divided into two halves of 3 1/2 years each.
    I cannot see a hand fitting into a glove any better than this.
     
  14. iamlamad

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    Its amazing, isn't it - how people try to complicate this? Especially when we see that 42 months equal 1260 days.

    If they turn days into years, what do they do with months - change them into decades? Years then given in prophecy must mean centuries! When one begins to change things, there is no end to the foolishness.
     
  15. iamlamad

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    This is more than just funny! In truth, the 2300 days was to be the time for the temple to be cleansed after Antiochus Epiphanes defiled it. The daily sacrifices could begin again after the 2300 days. Do you really imagine it was to take them 2300 YEARS to cleanse the temple and start the sacrifices once again? Do you ever look at the context of a verse before attempting to understand it?
     
  16. iamlamad

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    This is just about as far-fetched as anything I have ever read on these forums! And I have read some real doozies!

    There is simply no hint in the bible of a human being ever escaping from hell or from the bottomless pit. It is a notion with no basis but human reasoning.

    On the other hand, the devil, as the god of this world, has the power to come and go as he wishes. Does he not "destroy?" Demonic spirits also have the power to come and go from hell to earth and earth to hell. No human has ever done this and never will.
     
  17. iamlamad

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    Sorry, but this is incorrect. The days of great tribulation that Jesus spoke of will not even start until AFTER chapter 14. Did you not notice that in chapter 14 God sends angels to warn people not to receive the mark? That means the mark has not yet been enforced. Then in chapter 15 we see the beheaded begin to arrive in heaven.

    What has happened in chapter 9 are the trumpet judgments sent by GOD HIMSELF. They are not days of GT that will come from the Beast and False prophet.
     
  18. iamlamad

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    This is all a complete waste of time. Paul tells us the man of sin will not be revealed (as the Beast of chapter 13) UNTIL the church (the one restraining) has been "taken out of the way." THEN he will be revealed.
     
  19. A71

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    Daniel is told the punishemnt is 70 x 7.
    Shibiym shabuwa.

    The shibiym is in reference to the 70 year punishment, already explicitly spelt out in Daniel 9:2, so God has spared us confusion, so what is being is said is 7x the previous punishment, as per Levitical Law.

    I.e. 490 years
     
  20. Douggg

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