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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by A71, Jan 15, 2018.

  1. carrwinn

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    Agreed and such could be said about using other books as well - after all God reminds us with regard to His word as its Author that " all scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching and setting things straight..."2 Timothy 3:16,17
    Having an accurate understanding of Daniel, Revelation and all the books hinges on the firm conviction that this is indeed God's word, and that through His Holy Spirit one can have an accurate understanding of His will and purpose. This can only be accomplished fully if one is acting in harmony with God's requirements and is humble and willing to make adjustments in understanding as need be.(Matthew 7;John 17:3)
    For instance,and in harmony with Matthew 6:9,10, Daniel revealed God's view of current and former governments and what the future holds for them.(Daniel 2:44)
    Revelation as well speaks of the kings of the earth being gathered to Armageddon because they have continued and will continue to be against God.
    Agreed
     
  2. Brian Mcnamee

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    When Jacob labored for his two wives 7 years the term week is used twice and this is the the 1st times in the Bible the term week is used and interestingly enough the 3rd time is in Daniel 9. gen
    26 And Laban said, “It must not be done so in our country, to give the younger before the firstborn. 27 Fulfill her week, and we will give you this one also for the service which you will serve with me still another seven years.”
    28 Then Jacob did so and fulfilled her week. So he gave him his daughter Rachel as wife also. 29 And Laban gave his maid Bilhah to his daughter Rachel as a maid. 30 Then Jacob also went in to Rachel, and he also loved Rachel more than Leah. And he served with Laban still another seven years.

    if you break a week of years into months you get 84 months. Daniels says in the middle of the week he puts an end to the daily offerings. This is critical as 1/2 a week in months would be 42 so when you look up forty-two in Revelation we see that the antichrist is given authority over all nations tribes and tongues exactly that amount. Daniel says in the middle of the week he will cause the daily offerings to cease. So this time of Daniel's weeks is also the lining up with revelation to split the 70th week into two halves just as Daniel said it would be.

    So now lets break down 3 1/2 years, 1/2 a week of years or forty two months into days. which would be one thousand two hundred sixty. Again these numbers come up in Rev describing this exact same time.

    “And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.”

    Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days.
     
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  3. A71

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    No, I gave you the Hebrew...did you not read it?

    What on earth is "a private interpretation"?

     
  4. Truth7t7

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    Daniel 9:24 states "seventy weeks" not "four hundred and ninety years"

    The event Daniel speaks of is 490 literal days, as God's words clearly teach.
     
  5. Truth7t7

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    Daniel 9:24 states "seventy weeks" not "four hundred and ninety years"

    If the scripture was meant to project "four hundred and ninety years" it would be written exactly as your reading it.

    "seventy weeks" in Daniel 9:24 means exactly what it states as I see it.

    Do you believe this event is future or fulfilled?

    If fulfilled when and how?

    Trying to build an understanding of your teaching and belief, hope your not offended.

    Thanks for the response.
     
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  6. Brian Mcnamee

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    You asked where in the Bible is a week 7 years, so I showed the first two times it was mentioned it was a 7 years = a week. Daniel speaks of in the middle of the week something happens. Then I point to the end where the second half or the 70th week in Rev not only breaks it down exactly in how many months and it would be 42 it gives the exact number of days from the time the beast gets power over all the nations and once again it is equal to half of a 7 year week, Daniel 7 also notes it is 3 1/2 years
    He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
    Shall persecute[fn] the saints of the Most High,
    And shall intend to change times and law.
    Then the saints shall be given into his hand
    For a time and times and half a time.

    on a literal level, time, times and half a time means time (1 year), times (2 years) and half a time (1/2 year) or 3 1/2 years. Most people who study Bible prophecy stop at this point and accept the 3 1/2 years only at face value.

    all of these verse point to the time just before the 2nd coming.
     
  7. A71

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    So what? That is a translation.
    I will explain it to you again. The correct translation is
    "Seven units of seventy"
    It is written exactly as I am reading it!
    That is a very precise translation.

    Yes, it is fulfilled.
    From 538BC to 73AD

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  8. A71

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    @Truth7t7 You say:

    If the scripture was meant to project "four hundred and ninety years" it would be written exactly as your reading it.

    This is bad logic also. God says what he says, and who are we to gainsay him? Why did Jesus not say to Peter, "forgive your brother 490 times"?

    The fact is he did not say that, so rather than you telling him how he should have said, better simply to hear what Jesus said. I can assure you, Jesus said everything for a good reason.

    Your logic is actually self-defeating.
    Did Gabriel say "434 days", no, he said "sixty-two sevens". By your logic, since he did not say "434 days", he therefore cannot have meant 434 days.
     
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  9. Truth7t7

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    Brian thanks for the response.

    Brian Daniel 9:24 clearly states "seventy weeks" if it was intended to suggest your teaching it would be "four hundred and ninety years"

    im fully aware of the weeks/years teaching, it's error.

    You don't need another verse to help interpret this, it's "seventy weeks".

    This "seventy weeks" 490 day period is future, and will start at Israel/Judaism's command to "Restore & Build" Jerusalem, that sees 49 literal days of planning/preparation.

    "Three score and two weeks" or 434 literal days, will see the actual building take place, wall/street, in troubled time this will take place.

    Armies will srround Jerusalem and will stop this building project, "Messiah Cut Off" as Israel/Judaism will be building for/unto their awaited upon, prophesied Messiah.

    There will be a renewed sacrifice I believe, that the man of sin/Antichrist will stop. A covenant of peace will be made, and the sacrifice will stop, as the abomination takes place in the midst of this future final 70th week.

    That's what I believe scripture teaches of "Seventy Literal Weeks" as seen in Daniel.
     
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  10. Truth7t7

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    You imply Matthew 18:21-22 validates your interpretation, "It Does Not", rather it supports my argument.

    Peter asked "Seven Times" Jesus responded with "Seventy Times Seven" exactly written as he meant it, no run around the bible for needed interpretation.

    Just as Daniel 9:24 is "Seventy Weeks" I don't need to go elswhere to interpret this, it's "Seventy Literal Weeks" 490 days.

    Thats not bad logic, but rightly dividing the word of truth.

    The very verses in Matthew support my argument, if Daniel 9:24 were to see your formula of 70X7 it would have been written "Seventy Times Seven" just as in Matthew 18:22, but it isn't.

    Your interpretation adds "Times Seven" to God's word, not a good thing.

    I believe these literal 490 days are future, as seen in my post #209 above.

    Thanks for the response
     
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  11. A71

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    What is a "run around the bible"?
    Can you stop talking in gnomic riddles please
     
  12. A71

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    An awful lot of waffle truth7t7. What are you trying to prove exactly?

    Why do you make constant silly accusations? Just stick to the matter in hand.

    The Angel tells Daniel:
    "Seven seventies", this means seven times seventy. It is not complicated.
     
  13. Truth7t7

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    (Definition: Run Around Bible)

    You do not need to leave Daniel 9:24 and (Run Around The Bible, To Other Bible Verses) to interpret Daniel 9:24, "Seventy Weeks" means exactly what's stated, 490 literal days.

    Please respond to post #210 now that my definition is given.
     
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  14. Truth7t7

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    Please attach my quotes in your responses, thanks!

    The Angel did not tell Daniel "Seven seventies" as you claim, you are adding to scripture.

    Daniel 9:24 states "Seventy Weeks" 490 literal days.
     
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  15. Douggg

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    The reason it is not given at 490 years and 483 years is because it is 70 shmita cycles. The confirming of the covenant in Daniel 9:27 is based on the seven year shmita cycle.
     
  16. A71

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    Oh dear. The seven here is not "weeks" as you keep incorrectly stating. Here is a proper study, which might help.

    http://creationevolutiondesign.blogspot.co.uk/2009/02/re-daniels-70-weeks-interpretation-of.html
     
  17. Truth7t7

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    Daniel 9:24 clearly states "Seventy "Weeks" 490 literal days.
     
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  19. Truth7t7

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    Daniel 9:24 clearly states "seventy weeks" if it was intended to suggest your teaching it would be "four hundred and ninety years"

    im fully aware of the weeks/years teaching, it's error.

    You don't need another verse to help interpret this, it's "seventy weeks".

    This "seventy weeks" 490 day period is future, and will start at Israel/Judaism's command to "Restore & Build" Jerusalem, that sees 49 literal days of planning/preparation.

    "Three score and two weeks" or 434 literal days, will see the actual building take place, wall/street, in troubled time this will take place.

    Armies will srround Jerusalem and will stop this building project, "Messiah Cut Off" as Israel/Judaism will be building for/unto their awaited upon, prophesied Messiah.

    There will be a renewed sacrifice I believe, that the man of sin/Antichrist will stop. A covenant of peace will be made, and the sacrifice will stop, as the abomination takes place in the midst of this future final 70th week.

    I believe this building project will be in relationship to a new temple, and the conflict will arise with the Muslim world protecting their mosque at the Dome of the rock, where Jews desire to build their temple.

    I believe Micah 7 clearly shows this in a parallel teaching.

    I believe the future renewed animal sacrifice in abomination to the shed blood of Jesus Christ is seen in Isaiah 66:3-4

    That's what I believe scripture teaches of "Seventy Literal Weeks" as seen in Daniel 9:24-25
     
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  20. A71

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    No truth7t, you are wrong. It is 490 years.
    Please stop parroting erroneous translations, it edifies no-one.
    "Shabu'im" is the Hebrew word used in Daniel, and it does not mean "weeks", so your pet theory needs to go.

    It means a heptad of years, seven years, (from the root word of something being 'sevened').

    Much prophecy hinges on understanding this, so it is no small matter.

    Get this, and we can go forward.
     
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