Futurist Only Daniel 11, Part 2

[Jamdoc]

Well, Dan 11 seems to indicate he places the abomination then plants his own tabernacle, somewhere in or near Jerusalem.


Dan 11 can in no way, shape, or form be Antiochus.


If I were to agree that the Dan 8 Goat's Great Horn is the same as the Dan 11:3's mighty king (I don't agree, but I don't rule it out), the 4th Persian king (Dan 11:2) would be the Dan 8 Ram who is attacking the west, north, south (Dan 8:4). He would be the 4th Persian king, but also co-ruling with the Medes. The Medes/ Persian duo would form the 2 king/ 2 horns of the Ram (Dan 8:20) (one horn of which is this 4th Persian king).

Also, I don't agree with your interpretation that the count starts with the Iranian Revolution. The counting of the Persian kings would start from the start of a 'great war' (Dan 10:1).

For argument's sake, let's game out Dan 11 being entirely pertaining to now.

The 'great war' in Dan 10:1 would have to be WW I (which ended 1918).

Then we count four more kings in Persia: Reza Shah (starting Oct 1925), then Mohammad Reza Shah, then Ruhollah Khomeini, then the current king Ali Khamenei

Is this current king the richest by far (Dan 11:2)? Yes World Bank Open Data

So now we are faced with the fact that there should be an entity that can be attributed to 'Greece'. I can really only think of 2 candidates: the EU which has 4 presidents or the UK which is comprised of 4 countries that could easily devolve into its component parts of Wales, England, Scotland, and Northern Ireland. Wales' flag is a red dragon.

Well the term that is translated as "Greece" is Javan, which in Genesis 10 is one of Noah's descendants. They historically settled around the west coast of Turkey, Istanbul, and around Greece, so Greece or Turkey is where I lean towards. I don't transfer that identity to an entire continent, but more between those 2 countries, and of the two, Turkey is more likely, being an opposing sect of Islam, and they are the 2nd strongest military in NATO. They could crush Iran.

this would mean: Russian/ Iran attacks the West, North, and South = Dan 7 bear's 3 ribs?), then the Goat's great horn destroys Russia/ Iran. The Goat's great horn is it's '1st king' (Dan 8:21). If it is the UK, how would King Charles be considered its '1st king'? It just doesn't fit well - there are many UK monarchs. So then we go with the EU... the EU could have a dictator or Holy Roman Emperor. During wartime, this new Roman Emperor is called into existence and is disbanded upon defeating Russian/ Iran.

and this is one of the reasons I disagree with associating the entire continent with Javan.

Where I lean to the "first king" is Erdogan's desire to reconstitute the Ottoman Empire. He would not be a King now, but if he were to remake the Ottoman Empire and call himself the Caliph, that would make him the first King. If not him, then a successor.

The EU then splits into 4 units, one of which the Dan 8 Little Horn will arise from.

Now we have to explain what the heck Dan 11:5-20 means- which could mean anything...

To insist on this interpretation would push the 'latter days' back possibly decades -which just doesn't seem likely. If Russia/ Iran started attacking the West, North, and South (the attack of the Ram) - this would trigger the sense of the end of the world described in the 6th Seal. I just don't see any way around this.

In other words I think it is most likely that Dan 8's Ram & Goat would be future, but Dan 11's Persia & Greece would be past. (This would skip over Dan 11:5-20.)

Moreover, Trump initiating the tariffs globally is such a signal for Daniel 11:20, the 'taxer for the glory of the kingdom' (tariffs are taxes), it's crazy. But that would mean that the US is the kingdom of the North, which doesn't really fit well geographically...

Trump taking over Gaza could fulfill Dan 11:15-16, king of the North taking over a fortified city in the Beautiful Land (Israel). This would really not fit the scenario of Dan 11:1-20 being future...

a little too western centric I think, but that is pretty common in the west to insert ourselves into the narrative when we're not explicitly there.


Where I go with it, and mind you this is speculation, is the hypothetical, of Khamenei dies, his son succeeds him (3rd king) and they declare they have the 12th Imam, the Mahdi. (which would be the 4th King and greater in wealth and power and influence in the Shi'ite Muslim world, they are obligated to crawl over broken glass, and ice to follow the Mahdi if they have to.
Now, what do you think the Sunni Muslim world will do, if the Shi'ites proclaim they have the Mahdi? Fly into a rage, try to kill him in order to prove he is fake.

 

[Jamdoc]

@Jamdoc
@tranquil

Parts of Daniel 11 are historic. And parts of Daniel 11 are end times.

Daniel 11:31 is historic attributed to Antiochus IV. It prefigures what the end time abomination of desolation will be.

Daniel 11:35 transitions to the end times. Daniel 11:36-45 is end times. In Daniel 11:45, the beast king will meet his end on the temple mount in Jerusalem.

Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

The temple mount is where the beast king will meet his end. On that day of his end, Jesus will cast him and the false prophet into the lake of fire.

Between the seas is talking about the Mediterranean sea, the sea of Galilee, and the Dead sea.


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Daniel 11 is not split.
forcing the split is what happens when you try to interpret it as historically fulfilled and find inaccuracies. You determine that it's supposed to be partially about the past and the rest future.. even though the passage itself gives no logical split.

 

[Douggg]

Daniel 11 is not split.
forcing the split is what happens when you try to interpret it as historically fulfilled and find inaccuracies. You determine that it's supposed to be partially about the past and the rest future.. even though the passage itself gives no logical split.

Daniel 11:35 is the transition verse from what is historic to what is end times.

35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

 

[Jamdoc]

Daniel 11:35 is the transition verse from what is historic to what is end times.

35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

No, there is no transition there, it's still describing the same vile person. Verse 40 goes right back to the conflict between the king of the north and king of the south.

There were more than 4 Persian Kings before Alexander.. should get you thinking perhaps the historical interpretation isn't right.

again, sealed book.
interpretations over the last couple thousand years can pretty much be thrown out the window.

 

[Douggg]

No, there is no transition there, it's still describing the same vile person. Verse 40 goes right back to the conflict between the king of the north and king of the south.

There were more than 4 Persian Kings before Alexander.. should get you thinking perhaps the historical interpretation isn't right.

again, sealed book.
interpretations over the last couple thousand years can pretty much be thrown out the window.

In Daniel 11:36, it does not say king of the south, nor king of the north. It just says "the king".

So if we take "time of the end" from the transition verse 35 and apply it to "the king", we get "the time of the end king" for Daniel 11:36.

And the description of the time of the end king fits that of the beast-king of Revelation 13. Also, verse 37, indicates the time of the end king to be a Jew, who has become the beast-king.

35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

36 And the [time of the end] king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

The beast-king meets his end in Daniel 11:45 on the temple mount in Jerusalem when Jesus returns.

 

[Jamdoc]

In Daniel 11:36, it does not say king of the south, nor king of the north. It just says "the king".

So if we take "time of the end" from the transition verse 35 and apply it to "the king", we get "the time of the end king" for Daniel 11:36.

And the description of the time of the end king fits that of the beast-king of Revelation 13. Also, verse 37, indicates the time of the end king to be a Jew, who has become the beast-king.

35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

36 And the [time of the end] king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

The beast-king meets his end in Daniel 11:45 on the temple mount in Jerusalem when Jesus returns.

I said verse 40.
King of the North and King of the South are right there.

Daniel 11 is not a split passage between past and future, it's all primarily end times. The context continues through the whole passage.

But I get it, it overthrows all the beloved "left behind" lore by not having it all come out of Western Europe, so it gets rejected.

 

[tranquil]

@Jamdoc
@tranquil

Parts of Daniel 11 are historic. And parts of Daniel 11 are end times.

Daniel 11:31 is historic attributed to Antiochus IV. It prefigures what the end time abomination of desolation will be.

Daniel 11:35 transitions to the end times. Daniel 11:36-45 is end times. In Daniel 11:45, the beast king will meet his end on the temple mount in Jerusalem.

Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

The temple mount is where the beast king will meet his end. On that day of his end, Jesus will cast him and the false prophet into the lake of fire.

Between the seas is talking about the Mediterranean sea, the sea of Galilee, and the Dead sea.


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I already know your position - it is the standard interpretation that doesn't explain anything. I have seen it literally a thousand times.

Do you know mine?

Instead of lecturing me about things I have already heard and don't agree with - why don't you actually try to understand my position?

If you want to contribute, please answer questions like I asked in post #16. And back it up with scripture.

As you posted here, you said that Daniel 11:35 starts the end times. This is not true!

I have devoted two whole threads about how this is not true! Threads which you have admitted you didn't even bother to read

But I will say it again, the end-times portion starts with Daniel 11:21 with the despicable person. This despicable person is the Daniel 8 Little Horn, as I wrote about in Part 1.

 

[Jamdoc]

I already know your position - it is the standard interpretation that doesn't explain anything. I have seen it literally a thousand times.

Do you know mine?

Instead of lecturing me about things I have already heard and don't agree with - why don't you actually try to understand my position?

If you want to contribute, please answer questions like I asked in post #16. And back it up with scripture.

As you posted here, you said that Daniel 11:35 starts the end times. This is not true!

I have devoted two whole threads about how this is not true! Threads which you have admitted you didn't even bother to read

But I will say it again, the end-times portion starts with Daniel 11:21 with the despicable person. This despicable person is the Daniel 8 Little Horn, as I wrote about in Part 1.

I just say it's all end times, that way it's all 1 narrative in context. throwing a split in there just to force part of it to be historical makes no sense in an exegetical sense.. History can foreshadow, prophecy is pattern, we've seen it in scripture before where a previous event is used as a model for future events. Jesus used the flood and the destruction of Sodom as foreshadows to the wrath of God in the end times, and the plagues in Egypt are similar in nature.

 

[tranquil]

@Jamdoc
@tranquil

Parts of Daniel 11 are historic. And parts of Daniel 11 are end times.

Daniel 11:31 is historic attributed to Antiochus IV. It prefigures what the end time abomination of desolation will be.

Daniel 11:35 transitions to the end times. Daniel 11:36-45 is end times. In Daniel 11:45, the beast king will meet his end on the temple mount in Jerusalem.

Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

The temple mount is where the beast king will meet his end. On that day of his end, Jesus will cast him and the false prophet into the lake of fire.

Between the seas is talking about the Mediterranean sea, the sea of Galilee, and the Dead sea.


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Reading through this again, I realized you were saying the end times starts at Dan 11:35?!!

I had assumed you meant Dan 11:29, but no, you meant Dan 11:35...

In Daniel 11:30, the ships of Kittim attack the 'despicable person'.

Numbers 24:14 And now, behold, I am going to my people. Come, I will let you know what this people will do to your people in the latter days.”

22Nevertheless, Kain shall be burned when Assyria takes you away captive.”​

23And he took up his discourse and said, “Alas, who shall live when God does this? 24 But ships shall come from Kittim
and shall afflict Assyria and Eber; and he too shall come to utter destruction.”​

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The 'ships from Kittim' are said to attack the Assyrian. This attack is in the 'latter days'.

The 'ships from Kittim' in Dan 11:30 are attacking the despicable person. This has to be taking place in the 'latter days'. This abomination of desolation in Dan 11:31 has to be taking place in the 'latter days'.

 

[tranquil]

Well the term that is translated as "Greece" is Javan, which in Genesis 10 is one of Noah's descendants. They historically settled around the west coast of Turkey, Istanbul, and around Greece, so Greece or Turkey is where I lean towards. I don't transfer that identity to an entire continent, but more between those 2 countries, and of the two, Turkey is more likely, being an opposing sect of Islam, and they are the 2nd strongest military in NATO. They could crush Iran.

and this is one of the reasons I disagree with associating the entire continent with Javan.

Where I lean to the "first king" is Erdogan's desire to reconstitute the Ottoman Empire. He would not be a King now, but if he were to remake the Ottoman Empire and call himself the Caliph, that would make him the first King. If not him, then a successor.

a little too western centric I think, but that is pretty common in the west to insert ourselves into the narrative when we're not explicitly there.


Where I go with it, and mind you this is speculation, is the hypothetical, of Khamenei dies, his son succeeds him (3rd king) and they declare they have the 12th Imam, the Mahdi. (which would be the 4th King and greater in wealth and power and influence in the Shi'ite Muslim world, they are obligated to crawl over broken glass, and ice to follow the Mahdi if they have to.
Now, what do you think the Sunni Muslim world will do, if the Shi'ites proclaim they have the Mahdi? Fly into a rage, try to kill him in order to prove he is fake.

So Mahdi, the leader of the Iran/ Russia 2 horned Ram will attack Turkey?

And then Turkey will split into 4 parts? From which will come the Daniel 8 Little horn?

 

[tranquil]

I just say it's all end times, that way it's all 1 narrative in context. throwing a split in there just to force part of it to be historical makes no sense in an exegetical sense.. History can foreshadow, prophecy is pattern, we've seen it in scripture before where a previous event is used as a model for future events. Jesus used the flood and the destruction of Sodom as foreshadows to the wrath of God in the end times, and the plagues in Egypt are similar in nature.

So the thing that is getting clearer in my mind is that Antiochus was subsequent to Daniel's prophecy, but Jesus is pointing out that the abomination is still future. How much of Daniel 10-12 is still future remains to be seen.

I take the 'great war' of Dan 10:1 to mean the great tribulation going on in Dan 11:21-45 as that fits better with Daniel 9.

 

[tranquil]

@Jamdoc
@tranquil

Parts of Daniel 11 are historic. And parts of Daniel 11 are end times.

Daniel 11:31 is historic attributed to Antiochus IV. It prefigures what the end time abomination of desolation will be.

Daniel 11:35 transitions to the end times. Daniel 11:36-45 is end times. In Daniel 11:45, the beast king will meet his end on the temple mount in Jerusalem.

Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

The temple mount is where the beast king will meet his end. On that day of his end, Jesus will cast him and the false prophet into the lake of fire.

Between the seas is talking about the Mediterranean sea, the sea of Galilee, and the Dead sea.


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Also, if you take Daniel 12:11's abomination of desolation to be future, there is no way you can say Dan 11:29-31 is in the past.

Daniel 12:11 is directly referencing Daniel 11:31's abomination. They are the same one.

 

[Jamdoc]

So Mahdi, the leader of the Iran/ Russia 2 horned Ram will attack Turkey?

And then Turkey will split into 4 parts? From which will come the Daniel 8 Little horn?

I don't see Russia in it. People inject Russia into Ezekiel 38/39 since the communist revolution in the west because "surely those godless commies must be the biblical bad guys". However it's not in the text itself.

Basically what I believe is there will be 2 Mahdis, a Persian one for the Shi'a, who will begin a conquest out from Persia in the name of Shi'a Islam which will enrage Turkey who the leader of Turkey will proclaim himself the rightful Caliph (becoming the first king) because all "rightful" Caliphates are to come from Istanbul (seat of the Eastern Roman empire, so in essence there IS a Revived Roman Empire... the Eastern), and then crush Persia, and expand the Caliphate. The rest of the world will not stand by while we have this boiling point in the Middle East, they'll end up breaking up the caliphate and killing the caliph, 4 new nations are created, with new leaders. That's where you get the king of the north and king of the south.
The king of the north dies, and his 3rd successor is the vile person which I believe will be proclaimed the Sunni Mahdi.
Damascus will be Isaiah 17'ed, and "Jesus" will come out of it, proclaimed as the historic Jesus Christ/Isa, son of Maryam by Muslims everywhere and received by Christians who do not know how the biblical return of Christ is supposed to be according to scripture. This "Jesus" will deny being the son of God, and "correct" Christians on who he is and profess Islam, pointing people to follow the Mahdi. This fits with Jesus' prophecy that one would come in his own name and also the prophecy that one would come in His name, claiming to be Christ. It furthermore fits the prophecy that the false prophet would have two horns like a lamb, but speak like a dragon. Jesus of course came in the name of the Father. But a false Jesus comes in the name of Jesus, which is also his own name, but not in the name of the Father (because Allah has no son, he is not the Father), and what does John say about he who denies the Son and the Father, and who denies Jesus Christ is God come in the flesh?
Islam of course believes Jesus is a prophet. Making this Islamic false Jesus... the false prophet.

This playout ends up playing into Islamic eschatology and getting 1/4 of the entire world population to follow Antichrist instantly.

it is speculation but I'm coming at it from the belief that Daniel 7-12 are futurist and thus even if History foreshadowed the events they will play out again, giving a roadmap for how things will go, it also lets Islamic eschatology, which is anti-parallel to Christian eschatology play out... and it fits 1:1. Without needing time skips, without needing to split passages between past and future.
History may have had similar things play out, but they will play out 1:1 in the future.

 

[Douggg]

I said verse 40.
King of the North and King of the South are right there.

Daniel 11 is not a split passage between past and future, it's all primarily end times. The context continues through the whole passage.

But I get it, it overthrows all the beloved "left behind" lore by not having it all come out of Western Europe, so it gets rejected.

Verses 40-44, near the end of the 7 years, the time of the end king, i.e. the beast king, will be attacked from the south, north, and east. The kings of the east marching west to attack the beast king will kill a third of mankind in their wake, Revelation 9:15-19.

40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him [the time of the end king]: and the king of the north shall come against him [the time of the end king] like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

 

[Jamdoc]

Verses 40-44, near the end of the 7 years, the time of the end king, i.e. the beast king, will be attacked from the south, north, and east. The kings of the east marching west to attack the beast king will kill a third of mankind in their wake, Revelation 9:15-19.

40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him [the time of the end king]: and the king of the north shall come against him [the time of the end king] like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.


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You're gumby stretching to redefine characters in the Narrative to fit left behind.. instead of letting the bible say who these people are.

It's like with Revelation 19, Jesus having His robes already dipped in blood.

Revelation 14:14-20 and Isaiah 63 say what that blood is.
But you, not wanting to let the bible say what it is, invent an idea "it's the blood of the Great Tribulation martyrs translocated to Jesus' clothes" because having Jesus be on Earth before Revelation 19 undermines Left Behind.

 

[Douggg]

Also, if you take Daniel 12:11's abomination of desolation to be future, there is no way you can say Dan 11:29-31 is in the past.

Daniel 12:11 is directly referencing Daniel 11:31's abomination. They are the same one.

No, Daniel 11:31 and Daniel 12:11 are two different events. Daniel 11:31, historic. Daniel 12:11 end times.

The verses in Daniel 11 that lead up to and involve the Daniel 11:31 abomination of desolation have no time frames in the text.

Differently, in Daniel 12, there are the time frames of...

a time, times, half time - Daniel 12:7
1290 days - Daniel 12:11
1335 days - Daniel 12:12

 

[Fisherking]

Looking at Daniel 11, we have to understand that it is a part of one vision that starts at Daniel 10:1 and goes on through Daniel 12:13. With Daniel 10:1, the vision is described a ‘great war’.

Actually the vision ends in Dann. 12:2, everything else is the two angels and man in linen (pre incarnate Jesus) teaching Daniel what all these things mean, in general, not in full.

The Daniel 8 Little Horn's people, who are also the people of the Daniel 7 Little Horn.

The Daniel 7 & 8 Little Horn are one and the same, the end time Anti-Christ/Beast oof Rev. 13.

When the ‘city and sanctuary’ are destroyed, this is the attack by the Daniel 11 King of the North (the Daniel 8 Little Horn) placing the abomination of desolation in Jerusalem in Daniel 11:29-31.

This is indeed the Dan. 11 Little Horn, but verses 29-31 are about his Archetype, Antiochus Epiphanes(AE4), seen in verses 21-34, the Dan. 11 Little Horn of Dan. 7 & 8 is only seen in Dann. 11:36-45.

Sometime during the Seals, the ‘prince of the covenant’ of Daniel 11:22 will confirm the covenant (this individual is not the Daniel 8 Little Horn or ‘man in linen’/ the Rev 10 ‘Mighty Angel’).

11:22 is about Onias III, a Jewish High priest Antiochus had killed, then installed his brother Jason (real name Yeshua) who was pro Hellenization of Israel, he welcomed AE4 into the temple to sacrifice a pig unto Zeus, then mandated that all Jews become Hellenized, leading unto the Maccabean Revolt. Jason was the Archetype False Prophet to come.

Now that it can be plausibly said that the Daniel 8 Little Horn is this ‘despicable person’ of Daniel 11:21, let’s turn our attention to Daniel 11 and try to put these ideas into some more context.

This is just not factual. You are conflating AE4 (verses 21-34) with the AC/Little Horn as seen in verses 36-45 thus you will never truly understand this until you understand we get the Anti-Christs Archetype for a reason, so the Jewish people will know what to look for as this is coming to pass, after they repent at the 1335(Two-witnesses show up 1335 days before the 2nd coming to turn Israel back unto God as Malachi 4:5 says, and as Zech. 13:8-9 and 14:1 confirms). Then the 1290 is the FP not the AC, he forbids Jess worship or TAKES AWAY........The Real Sacrifice, then places a Statue/Image of the E.U. President up in the temple committing the AoD. This gives the Jews who repent 30 days to flee Judea before they get conquered 30 days later at the 1260 events.

One of the many difficulties with Daniel 11 is knowing when a thing is happening. Are we to understand the four kings of Persia and the mighty king of Greece as happening in the same eschatological timeframe, as happening in the end-times? Luckily here, we know from Daniel 8 that we are to understand this as ancient history. The mighty king of Greece who has his kingdom split into four component parts is referring to Alexander the Great circa 336 BC.

I did an Exegesis of Dan. 11 & 12 (should have done Dan. 10 with it I saw later, oh well) where I nae every King, player etc. in every verse and interpret every verse, and what Syrian War it was of....there have been Six Syrian Wars, the Seventh will see Israel and THE MANY (all nations in the Mediterranean Sea Coastline) all conquered by the Little Horn/AC/Beast.

 

[tranquil]

Actually the vision ends in Dann. 12:2, everything else is the two angels and man in linen (pre incarnate Jesus) teaching Daniel what all these things mean, in general, not in full.


The Daniel 7 & 8 Little Horn are one and the same, the end time Anti-Christ/Beast oof Rev. 13.


This is indeed the Dan. 11 Little Horn, but verses 29-31 are about his Archetype, Antiochus Epiphanes(AE4), seen in verses 21-34, the Dan. 11 Little Horn of Dan. 7 & 8 is only seen in Dann. 11:36-45.


11:22 is about Onias III, a Jewish High priest Antiochus had killed, then installed his brother Jason (real name Yeshua) who was pro Hellenization of Israel, he welcomed AE4 into the temple to sacrifice a pig unto Zeus, then mandated that all Jews become Hellenized, leading unto the Maccabean Revolt. Jason was the Archetype False Prophet to come.





This is just not factual. You are conflating AE4 (verses 21-34) with the AC/Little Horn as seen in verses 36-45 thus you will never truly understand this until you understand we get the Anti-Christs Archetype for a reason, so the Jewish people will know what to look for as this is coming to pass, after they repent at the 1335(Two-witnesses show up 1335 days before the 2nd coming to turn Israel back unto God as Malachi 4:5 says, and as Zech. 13:8-9 and 14:1 confirms). Then the 1290 is the FP not the AC, he forbids Jess worship or TAKES AWAY........The Real Sacrifice, then places a Statue/Image of the E.U. President up in the temple committing the AoD. This gives the Jews who repent 30 days to flee Judea before they get conquered 30 days later at the 1260 events.



I did an Exegesis of Dan. 11 & 12 (should have done Dan. 10 with it I saw later, oh well) where I nae every King, player etc. in every verse and interpret every verse, and what Syrian War it was of....there have been Six Syrian Wars, the Seventh will see Israel and THE MANY (all nations in the Mediterranean Sea Coastline) all conquered by the Little Horn/AC/Beast.

Actually the vision ends in Dann. 12:2, everything else is the two angels and man in linen (pre incarnate Jesus) teaching Daniel what all these things mean, in general, not in full.

The rest of Daniel 12 is still describing that same vision. The 'man in linen' is not pre-incarnate Jesus.

That 'man in linen' is the Revelation 10 'mighty angel' who is 'confirming the covenant' (the Daniel 9:27 covenant) by 'swearing an oath to heaven'. That 'man in linen' is the Morningstar (Isaiah 14:12) that Jesus is alluding to in Revelation 22:16. Jesus is the morningstar, not Isaiah 14's 'Lucifer'/ king of Babylon.

The Daniel 7 & 8 Little Horn are one and the same, the end time Anti-Christ/Beast oof Rev. 13.

Why don't you prove this.

If this were true, then who is the 6th King of Revelation 17:10?

Rev 17:9This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; 10they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he does come he must remain only a little while. 11As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eighth but it belongs to the seven, and it goes to destruction.​

The 6th king, the 'one that is', is the beast, the Daniel 8 Little Horn, the Assyrian. The 7th king is the 'dragon', the mighty angel of Rev 10, and 'Lucifer', King of Babylon from Isaiah 14. The 8th king is the resurrected 6th king, the mortally head wounded beast.

That is the meaning of Daniel 7:11 Then I kept watching because of the arrogant words the horn was speaking. As I continued to watch, the beast was slain, and its body was destroyed and thrown into the blazing fire. 12As for the rest of the beasts, their dominion was removed, but they were granted an extension of life for a season and a time.

The Daniel 7 4th beast is killed, then the 'rest of the beasts' (the lion, bear, leopard) are given an extension (same beasts as in Revelation 13's beast from the sea). The Daniel 8 Little Horn is the leader of 'the rest of the beasts'.

The Daniel 8 Little Horn is the Beast. The 'dragon' is the Daniel 7 Little Horn who gives his throne over to the Daniel 8 Little Horn.

Revelation 13 is occurring at the 7th Trumpet, during the start of the kingdom of heaven. This particular event is the 2nd appearance of the beast from the sea (the Daniel 8 Little horn).

Rev 11:7 And when they have finished their testimony, the beast that rises from the bottomless pit will make war on them and conquer them and kill them,​

In Revelation terms, 6th King (the Daniel 8 Little Horn) attacks the 1st time at start of the Trumpets. The 6th king attacks the 2nd time at the 6th Trumpet. The 7th king (the Revelation 10 mighty angel) confirms the Daniel 9:27 covenant, breaks it and 'goes into heaven to be like God'.

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Isa 14:13 You said in your heart: “I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God. I will sit on the mount of assembly, in the far reaches of the north. 14 I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.”​

Rev 12:7 Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, 8but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. 9And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.​

the 'dragon' has deceived the world because he appeared as an angel of light at Revelation 10 to end the wars going on at Rev 9:13-21.

This is indeed the Dan. 11 Little Horn, but verses 29-31 are about his Archetype, Antiochus Epiphanes(AE4), seen in verses 21-34, the Dan. 11 Little Horn of Dan. 7 & 8 is only seen in Dann. 11:36-45.

Here they both are, coming to power via political intrigue.

Dan 11:21 In his place a despicable person will arise; royal honors will not be given to him, but he will come in a time of peace and seize the kingdom by intrigue.​

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Dan 8:23 In the latter part of their reign, when the rebellion has reached its full measure, an insolent king, skilled in intrigue, will come to the throne.​

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Jesus said that the abomination of desolation described by Daniel was future in Matthew 24:15. That phrase 'abomination of desolation' is referring to Daniel 9:27, Daniel 11:31, and Daniel 12:11. All of these are future.

 

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The rest of Daniel 12 is still describing that same vision. The 'man in linen' is not pre-incarnate Jesus.

Yes, but the vision runs from Dan. 10 to Daniel 12:2 and everything else is interpretations and/or limited answers. Of Course the Man in Linen is a Pre Incarnate Jesus, as was the man speaking to Abraham in Gen. 18 and 19, he prayed and Abraham said the "Lord" prayed to the LORD in Heaven, and He reined down destruction on Sodom. He swears by the God of heaven, and hovers above the waters, the Angels on each side are called angels. Jesus was crucified before the foundations of the earth.

That 'man in linen' is the Revelation 10 'mighty angel' who is 'confirming the covenant' (the Daniel 9:27 covenant) by 'swearing an oath to heaven'. That 'man in linen' is the Morningstar (Isaiah 14:12) that Jesus is alluding to in Revelation 22:16. Jesus is the morningstar, not Isaiah 14's 'Lucifer'/ king of Babylon.

It s Jesus pre incarnate, as was I am that I am. The Covenant that is confirmed (gabar basically means by strong armed tactics) is simply this, Israel joins the E.U. anything else is just people not in the know guessing and acting like they know something that just is not there. HINT: Jesus, God and the Angels would never act like the AoD happened because the temple got defiled by WHATEVER, but that is not possible........you see, the temple has to be cleansed before it can be defiled !!

Israel repents at the 1335, which is 45 days before the 1290 events, they start worshiping Jesus in the temple before the 1290 AoD arrives. Then an Orthodox Jewish Rabbi High Priest (False Prophet), who gets very angry at the sight of Jews praising Jesus for 45 days, from the 1335 to the 1290, so he puts out an edict that forbids Jesus worship and he then places an Image of the E.U. president up in the temple, and Israel remember is an E.U. member state at that point in time. Thus this AoD sign from God gives the Jews who repented 30 days to flee Judea before the AC goes firth conquering to become THE BEAST of Rev. 13, and the Little Horn of Dan. 7, 8, and 11:36-45.

Why don't you prove this.

(In regards to Dan. 7 & 8's Little Horns being the same person) God gives us ways to cross reference prophesies that most of us miss. Like Jesus being born in Bethlehem, being a Nazarite, and as God says "my son will come out of Egypt" so, that might be confusing if we can not put it altogether before it happens, but after it happens it all makes sense. Well, my calling is Prophesy, I have a gift of seeing theses things as blessed by God.

So, God gives us an end time king who is of at least Three of these former Beasts. He has to have Old Assyrian blood, as Isaiah 10 says he's called an Assyrian (not Syria, but Assyria, which was mostly Northern Iraq and Southern Turkey). So, his bloodline must un back to the Old Assyrian Beast. Then in Dan. 7:7-8 we are told that 10 Horns (Completion = 10, so 10 Horns of Powers represent COMPLETE Europe reunited or the E.U. with 8, nations, then 12, then 18 and now 27, thus the number 10 means the Complete E.U. Reunited, not 10. Thus he arises AMIDST the 10 (E.U.) so the Little Horn is born in the E.U., that thus fulfills Dan. 7:7-8, if we can see this man is born in the E.U. well, Dan. 8 CONFIRMS what Nation he has to be born in, if we understand Prophesy. God gives us Alexander the Great and then a SIMPLE Four Way General battle, think the Four Winds or Directions on a map, God made it simple, we miss it looking for complexities. Thus in Daniel 8:9 we see that this Little Horn/AC has to wax great (conquer) TOWARDS the South (Egypt/Ptolemy) and TOWARDS the East (Turkey/Seleucus) and TOWARDS Israel. That means this Little Horn/AC must conquer from the Northwest Corridor or Cassander/Greece.

So, this man has to be born in Greece, and Greece is in the E.U. and bloodlines travel, and of course Turkey and Greece have a common border where over the last 2500 years at some point in time this man's Assyrian Bloodline Family migrated to Greece. He was thus born in Greece and is therefore eligible to become the E.U. President. You see, after it happens it will be much easier to see, but God always shows those who seek earnestly. He showed the Three Wisemen that baby Jesus the Messiah was born. And he showed an old righteous man that Jesus was his Messiah.

If this were true, then who is the 6th King of Revelation 17:10?

Rome was the 6th Head which the Church gave the Mortal Wound unto, we turned her from a Beast to a nation that pushed the Gospel to the ends of the earth via the great Pax-Romanus and its Latin Vulgate bible. 1.) Egypt, 2.) Assyria 3.) Babylon 4.) Persia 5.) Greece 6.) Rome 7,) "The Anti-Christ" is the 7th Head/Beast/King because he never his kingdom on to another son/general/king like all the other Beasts, because Jesus slays him. The "8th King that is OF THE SEVEN (7)" is a Demon name Apollyon, who is King of the Bottomless Pit as the Rev. 17 Scarlet Colored Beast NOTICE: there are NO CROWNS mentioned in Rev. 17 on his Heads or Horns, meaning he has no kingdom on this earth. He was placed over the first 6 Beasts by Satan, his job was to DESTROY Israel. He was placed by God in the pit when Rome was turned from a Beast to a Christian City/State.

Jesus said that the abomination of desolation described by Daniel was future in Matthew 24:15. That phrase 'abomination of desolation' is referring to Daniel 9:27, Daniel 11:31, and Daniel 12:11. All of these are future.

Dan. 12:31 was Antiochus Epiphanes Dan. 9:27 is END TIMES.