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FLAT or ROUND Earth?

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Paul4JC

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Has anyone found the "pillars" or the "ends" of the Earth?
No! Nor have we found Leviathan or Behemoth. Nor the dead.

[Job 38:4-6 NIV] "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand. 5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it? 6 On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone--

[Job 40:15, 24 NIV] 15 "Look at Behemoth, which I made along with you and which feeds on grass like an ox. ... 24 Can anyone capture it by the eyes, or trap it and pierce its nose?

[Job 41:1-5 NIV] 1 "Can you pull in Leviathan with a fishhook or tie down its tongue with a rope? 2 Can you put a cord through its nose or pierce its jaw with a hook? 3 Will it keep begging you for
mercy? Will it speak to you with gentle words? 4 Will it make an agreement with you for you to take it as your slave for life? 5 Can you make a pet of it like a bird or put it on a leash for the young women in your house?

[Job 26:5-6 NIV] "The dead are in deep anguish, those beneath the waters and all that live in them. 6 The realm of the dead is naked before God; Destruction lies uncovered.
 
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Flat and Round, like a pancake.

Biblically it is a circle. It is not a (spinning) ball.
Distance measurements below the equator cannot work on a flat disk, yet they work perfectly on a globe.
 
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Gleason's new standard map of the world : on the projection of J. S. Christopher, Modern College, Blackheath, England ; scientifically and practically correct ; as "it is."


You can zoom in on this map.

 
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Gleason's new standard map of the world : on the projection of J. S. Christopher, Modern College, Blackheath, England ; scientifically and practically correct ; as "it is."


You can zoom in on this map.

Since Melbourne to Townsville is approximately 2500km and Sydney to Perth is approximately 4000km, I can state with confidence that the map is not in any way scientifically and practically correct.
 
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The Bible says no such thing.
You are correct. Biblically not a spinning ball.

This is what the bible say about ball, and circle.

The Ball

[Isa 22:18 NIV] He will roll you up tightly like a ball and throw you into a large country. There you will die and there the chariots you were so proud of will become a disgrace to your master's house.

דּוּר dûwr, dure; from STRONGS H1752; a circle, ball or pile:—ball, turn, round about.

So why is this word not used in Isaiah 40:22? Is it because that’s not what the author, led by the Holy Spirit is communicating. earth is not a ball or sphere.

Definition of Circle and Sphere

  • A Circle is a two-dimensional figure whereas, a Sphere is a three-dimensional object.
  • Area of a Circle = π r2 and Area of a Sphere = 4 π r2
  • A circle has no volume and the Volume of a Sphere =4/3π r3
  • A circle has all points at the same distance from its centre along a plane, whereas in a sphere all the points are equidistant from the centre at any of the axes.
  • We can only determine the area in case of a Circle, while in Sphere, we can calculate the surface area as well as volume. [1]
The “Circle”

[Isa 40:22 NIV] He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.

Another question here is, should the word circle be used by translators or should it say vault or horizon? On Strong's Hebrew: 2329. חוּג (chug) -- vault, horizon definition circle is not even mentioned.

STRONG'S H2329 chug

chug: vault, horizon
Original Word:
ח֣וּג
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: chug
Phonetic Spelling: (khoog)
Definition: vault, horizon

Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon
† חוּג noun [masculine] vault; — only of vault of the heavens חוּג שׁמים התהלך Job 22:14; בְּחֻקֿוֺ חוּג עלֿ תהום פנ׳ Proverbs 8:27; הישֵׁב עַלחֿוּג הארץ Isaiah 40:22.

[NASB 1977] It is He who sits above the vault of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

Now the word for circle is used in H2328 not H2329.

STRONG'S chug: to draw around, make a circle

Original Word:
חוּג
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: chug
Phonetic Spelling: (khoog)
Definition: to draw around, make a circle

Very confusing! Is it a circle or a vault? [2] It’s definitely not translated ball or sphere.



[1] Difference Between Circle and Sphere in Tabular Form
[2] What is the circle of the earth in Isaiah 40:22? - Biblical ...
 
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Gleason's new standard map of the world : on the projection of J. S. Christopher, Modern College, Blackheath, England ; scientifically and practically correct ; as "it is."


You can zoom in on this map.

Do you understand what a map is?
A map is a projection to represent a curved surface on a plane.
Gleason admitted his map was a projection of the surface of a globe onto a 2D flat surface.


Why on earth (pardon the pun) would a flat earther use a globe as a reference to produce a map which is supposed to be evidence for a flat earth?

The cosmic microwave radiation background like the earth is commonly mapped using the Mollweide projection.

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Being a projection it doesn't mean the earth or the universe has a flat elliptical shape.
 
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The ISS orbit visualized on the flat earth map (Azimuthal equidistant projection)


The ISS is travelling at a constant velocity, yet your flat earth projection has it accelerating as it heads below the equator and decelerating as it heads above the equator.
When we watch it pass overhead here in Australia, it takes exactly the same amount of time to pass over as it does when viewed from North America.

Why are flat earthers not able to provide a model which works?
 
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You are correct. Biblically not a spinning ball.
The Bible is silent on the subject.
So why is this word not used in Isaiah 40:22?
Why should it have been? Are you arguing based on what wasn't said? That's simple nonsense.

Is it because that’s not what the author, led by the Holy Spirit is communicating. earth is not a ball or sphere.
Hogwash.

Definition of Circle and Sphere

  • A Circle is a two-dimensional figure whereas, a Sphere is a three-dimensional object.
Well dang!
  • [Isa 40:22 NIV] He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
What's the tent made out of? Where's it staked down? Are there flaps, and maybe a rain fly?

It’s definitely not translated ball or sphere.
Except it is, ridiculous notions to the contrary not withstanding.
 
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This has been fun and absurd but the real casualty here is the ancient narrative. It is so not about the shape of the Earth. The meaning is far more important than that. This Flat earth business is an unfortunate distraction.
 
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The ISS is travelling at a constant velocity, yet your flat earth projection has it accelerating as it heads below the equator and decelerating as it heads above the equator.

Of course it does. It is falling towards the bottom of the image and gets faster. Gravity pulls down, you know.
 
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Of course it does. It is falling towards the bottom of the image and gets faster. Gravity pulls down, you know.
They don't believe in gravity though. It's buoyancy!
 
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Globe people say flat and stationary earth Biblical believers are crazy. Well at least we do not believe it is possible for man to block out the sun over the whole earth. One day science and government is going to go too far and their deception game will be exposed.

Biden! White House says it's open to plan that would BLOCK sunlight from hitting surface of the Earth in bid to limit global warming White House cautiously opens the door to study blocking sun’s rays to slow global warming
 
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