FLAT or ROUND Earth?

[prodromos]

As to your point, it most certainly works when you understand the flat earth model.

I'm curious. How?

 

[PIckleRelations]

I'm curious. How?

Cool. Go find out.

 

[prodromos]

Cool. Go find out.

Figured as much.

 

[USincognito]

Yea, I've seen a lot of evidence in the last 6 years. I've also seen all the arguments of what couldn't possibly 'work' on a flat earth. Whenever I see that, I just know that person hasn't actually taken the time to prove out their arguments, but rather just likely used a search engine to find talking points. As to your point, it most certainly works when you understand the flat earth model.

It's fine. I once made the same arguments, but I was wrong as well. I'm honestly not looking for converts.

You mean arguments like the ISS is a balloon moving at 25,000 miles an hour?

I've never received a satisfactory response to how do comets work on Flerf.

 

[GodLovesCats]

To date I have never heard a Christian refer to a flat earth. But I may be isolated. It is hard to believe the earth is flat just from observation. We fly planes around it. We have ships circling the earth. There are satellites circling the earth. Our space program has spacecraft circling the earth as well as space stations. I do not know of any scripture passage the specifically says the earth is flat. But someone may educate me there.

The conspiracy theory comes from a literal interpretation of Genesis 1. God separated the heavens from the earth. The way it is described in Genesis implies Earth is flat. However, what it really means is God created a sky above the Earth's surface.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

The conspiracy theory comes from a literal interpretation of Genesis 1. God separated the heavens from the earth. The way it is described in Genesis implies Earth is flat. However, what it really means is God created everything the earth is made of, including all of its atmosphere layers. People who believe Earth is flat are the same conspiracy theorists who believe Donald Trump won the 2020 election.

I don't actually see any connection between the two... but ok.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Scientifically speaking, we live on a round planet. Flat earth is a myth.

The definition of planet includes the word "round" so anyone who thinks Earth is flat does not even know it is a planet.

 

[prodromos]

The definition of planet includes the word "round" so anyone who thinks Earth is flat does not even know it is a planet.

Flat earthers don't call it a planet, and one here in particular calls the planets stars.

 

[oikonomia]

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Never said it did, but if it did people still would not believe it. I mean how to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life can not get any plainer than John 6:47. But people do not believe that simple and to the point verse.

Let me ask you a question about a situation of two individuals at the last judgement.

One man lives today in the 21rst century.
He flirts with his neighbor's wife with an adulterous imagination.
But he knows about micro waves, radar, quantum entanglement, relativity, the galaxies, black holes, electrity and the DNA molecule.

The other man lives two thousand years ago.
He also casts a lustful eye towards another man's wife.
Now he doesn't know anything about the Theory of Relativity, or the number of planets known, or micro waves, or the speed of light, or the size and shape of the planet. He doesn't know anything about this current scientific information we now know.

Do you think either man has an advantage when God opens the books concerning his deeds? (Revelation 20:11,12)
When God reveals whether or not either one's name is written in "the book of life" will knowledge of these things help or hinder?
Do you think either one will be better off if his sins are not forgiven by the Savior Christ?

Do you think the more or less scientific knowledge will be of any advantage at the last judgment ?
It is a genuine question.

 

[d taylor]

Let me ask you a question about a situation of two individuals at the last judgement.

One man lives today in the 21rst century.
He flirts with his neighbor's wife with an adulterous imagination.
But he knows about micro waves, radar, quantum entanglement, relativity, the galaxies, black holes, electrity and the DNA molecule.

The other man lives two thousand years ago.
He also casts a lustful eye towards another man's wife.
Now he doesn't know anything about the Theory of Relativity, or the number of planets known, or micro waves, or the speed of light, or the size and shape of the planet. He doesn't know anything about this current scientific information we now know.

Do you think either man has an advantage when God opens the books concerning his deeds? (Revelation 20:11,12)
When God reveals whether or not either one's name is written in "the book of life" will knowledge of these things help or hinder?
Do you think either one will be better off if his sins are not forgiven by the Savior Christ?

Do you think the more or less scientific knowledge will be of any advantage at the last judgment ?
It is a genuine question.

Well for one i first must disagree with you last judgment statement, which i am guessing you are referencing the great white throne judgment. That is only a judgment for non believers, but leave that as it may.

Creation is not a born again issue, meaning a person can believe in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life. There is no requirement to believe any creation truths.

Now i do think that how a believer handles The Word of God is a requirement in our receving rewards from God. Because God loves when believers operate on faith in Him and His word The Bible.

 

[d taylor]

The definition of planet includes the word "round" so anyone who thinks Earth is flat does not even know it is a planet.

Earth in The Bible means land/ground, it does not mean planet.
Strong's Concordance
erets: earth, land
Original Word: אֶרֶץ
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: erets
Phonetic Spelling: (eh'-rets)
Definition: earth, land

 

[oikonomia]

Well for one i first must disagree with you last judgment statement, which i am guessing you are referencing the great white throne judgment. That is only a judgment for non believers, but leave that as it may.

I don't see what there is exactly to disagree with. I do mean the judgment of the great white throne.

But if you want to talk about other judgments of unbelievers, there is another judgment BEFORE the millennium where then living unbelievers as goats are condemned for the mistreatment of believers during the great tribulation - (Matthew 25:31-46). The great white throne is a judgment of the dead (Rev. 20:12). Matthew 25:31-46 concerns those living at the end of the great tribulation period.

That's probably another discussion. Let me see you comments on the last judgment of Revelation 20 and the scenario I proposed.

Creation is not a born again issue, meaning a person can believe in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life. There is no requirement to believe any creation truths.

I don't immediately get how this relates.
Except one has to believe in God to believe in a Son of God. Am I right?

If my scenario was not clear or you find it not relevant, I don't think I'll press the matter.
It would suffice for me just to say, the main issue at the last judgment is a moral one.

I do not mean to imply that (if I gave that impression) that one whose name is not written in the book of life will not be condemned because of some or any other reason.

Thier WORKS are judged. But they are not cast into the lake of fire for the reason of not being found written in the Lamb's book of life.
My point was really, the accumulation of science knowledge, even if accurate, I think will not matter to thier justification.

Each man there needs forgiveness, redemption, justification, salvation regardless of how much science knowledge they possess.

Now i do think that how a believer handles The Word of God is a requirement in our receving rewards from God. Because God loves when believers operate on faith in Him and His word The Bible.

Thanks for your response.
I guess I should be careful how I present imaginative and hypothetical situations.

 

[d taylor]

I don't see what there is exactly to disagree with. I do mean the judgment of the great white throne.

But if you want to talk about other judgments of unbelievers, there is another judgment BEFORE the millennium where then living unbelievers as goats are condemned for the mistreatment of believers during the great tribulation - (Matthew 25:31-46). The great white throne is a judgment of the dead (Rev. 20:12). Matthew 25:31-46 concerns those living at the end of the great tribulation period.

That's probably another discussion. Let me see you comments on the last judgment of Revelation 20 and the scenario I proposed.

I don't immediately get how this relates.
If my analogy was not clear or you find it not relevant, I don't think I'll press the matter.
It would suffice for me just to say, the main issue at the last judgment is a moral one.

I do not mean to imply that (if I gave that impression) that one whose name is not written in the book of life will not be condemned because of some or any other reason.

Thier WORKS are judged. But they are not cast into the lake of fire for any other reason than not being found written in the Lamb's book of life.
My point was really, the accumulation of science knowledge, even if accurate, I think will not matter to thier justification.

Each man there needs forgiveness, redemption, justification, salvation regardless of how much science knowledge they possess.

Thanks for your response.
I guess I should be careful how I present imaginative and hypothetical situations.

Right the dead are judged, and no born again child of God is dead, so no born again child of God will be at the great white throne judgment.

 

[Jipsah]

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Never said it did

So where’d you get the flat earth rubbish you believe?

but if it did people still would not believe it.

But the Bible *doesnt* say it. So why should anyone believe it? Because Brother Jim-Bob at the Faith Old Time Missionary whole Gospel Church Of Our Lord Apostolic Tabernacle said so?

 

[prodromos]

Right the dead are judged, and no born again child of God is dead, so no born again child of God will be at the great white throne judgment.

Acts 10:42

And he commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that he is the one ordained by God to be judge of the living and the dead.​

2 Timothy 4:1

I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom​

 

[prodromos]

The definition of planet includes the word "round" so anyone who thinks Earth is flat does not even know it is a planet.

Also, the word "planet" is originally from the Greek and means "wanderer".

 

[d taylor]

Acts 10:42

And he commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that he is the one ordained by God to be judge of the living and the dead.​

2 Timothy 4:1

I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom​

The born again child of God is judged at the judgment seat of The Messiah (The Bema), this judgment is a judgment for loss or gain of rewards. It is not the same judgment as the great white throne, there is no mention of the living at the great white throne being raised.

But of course if one believes in a work based salvation, then they will place themselves at the great white throne judgment. To see if they did enough for God to be judged good enough and worthy to receive eternal life.

 

[Jipsah]

Cool. Go find out.

Which is to say "I don't know."

 

[Jipsah]

Earth in The Bible means land/ground, it does not mean planet.

It means this planet.

 

[d taylor]

It means this planet.

Strong's Concordance
erets: earth, land
Original Word: אֶרֶץ
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: erets
Phonetic Spelling: (eh'-rets)
Definition: earth, land
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“My heart rejoices in the Lord;
My horn is exalted in the Lord.
I smile at my enemies,
Because I rejoice in Your salvation.

“No one is holy like the Lord,
For there is none besides You,
Nor is there any rock like our God.

“Talk no more so very proudly;
Let no arrogance come from your mouth,
For the Lord is the God of knowledge;
And by Him actions are weighed.

“The bows of the mighty men are broken,
And those who stumbled are girded with strength.
Those who were full have hired themselves out for bread,
And the hungry have ceased to hunger.
Even the barren has borne seven,
And she who has many children has become feeble.

“The Lord kills and makes alive;
He brings down to the grave and brings up.
The Lord makes poor and makes rich;
He brings low and lifts up.
He raises the poor from the dust
And lifts the beggar from the ash heap,
To set them among princes
And make them inherit the throne of glory.

“For the pillars of the earth are the Lord’s,
And He has set the world upon them.
He will guard the feet of His saints,
But the wicked shall be silent in darkness.

“For by strength no man shall prevail.
The adversaries of the Lord shall be broken in pieces;
From heaven He will thunder against them.
The Lord will judge the ends of the earth.

“He will give strength to His king,
And exalt the horn of His anointed.”