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Featured Five Misconceptions About Calvinism

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by jimmyjimmy, Jul 20, 2017.

  1. ToBeLoved

    ToBeLoved Well-Known Member Supporter

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    There are other verses that talk about entering the sheep pen not through the gate, this is one parable Jesus told.

    John 10

    Jesus the Good Shepherd
    (Psalm 23:1-6; Ezekiel 34:11-24)

    1“Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever does not enter the sheepfold by the gate, but climbs in some other way, is a thief and a robber. 2But the one who enters by the gate is the shepherd of the sheep. 3The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen for his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.

    4When he has brought out all who are his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. 5But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will flee from him because they do not recognize his voice.”

    6Jesus spoke to them using this illustration, but they did not understand what He was telling them. 7So He said to them again, “Truly, truly, I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. 8All who came before Me were thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. 9I am the gate. If anyone enters through Me, he will be saved. He will come in and go out and find pasture. 10The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I have come that they may have life, and have it in all its fullness.


    There are a few other verses too that talk about entering not through the gate.

    So my point is that there are ways for those to sneek in that are not Christ's into the sheep pen through some other mean's than Christ. So, because of this, this does not support Calvinism. It also does not support that everyone in the sheep pen is indeed a sheep. Only those who have entered through the gate are Christ's and sheep.
     
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  2. EmSw

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    If you don't know what questions you asked, how can I?
     
  3. EmSw

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    What time you got there doc?
     
  4. Hammster

    Hammster Sometimes nothin can be a real cool hand. Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    Are they saved before they enter?
     
  5. Hammster

    Hammster Sometimes nothin can be a real cool hand. Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    I'm still waiting.
     
  6. EmSw

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    I'm still waiting for the question.
     
  7. ToBeLoved

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    No. I don't think they are. Because this is Christ adding them to the sheep pen through Himself, as He is the gate.
     
  8. ToBeLoved

    ToBeLoved Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I hope this thread gets back on track. The updates to the thread are kind of a waste of my time guys.

    I may need to unsubscribe soon.
     
  9. EmSw

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    Nope. They enter to be saved.
     
  10. Hammster

    Hammster Sometimes nothin can be a real cool hand. Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    So if they aren't saved before they enter, He's letting non-sheep enter. That's the opposite of what the verse says.
     
  11. EmSw

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    So we see not all sheep are saved; some are lost.
     
  12. Hammster

    Hammster Sometimes nothin can be a real cool hand. Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    I'm sorry that you think Christ is a poor Shepherd. I certainly don't hold that view.
     
  13. EmSw

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    Oh no, Christ is the Great Shepherd; it's the wicked ones who don't hear His voice and follow Him, and try to get in the back way, who are the poor ones.
     
  14. Hammster

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    Yes. Those aren't sheep.
     
  15. EmSw

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    Wow, and jimmy just told how unbelievably wicked he was.

    So, I'll ask you Hammster, were you ever wicked in your life?
     
  16. Hammster

    Hammster Sometimes nothin can be a real cool hand. Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    Definitely.
     
  17. EmSw

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    So how did you call yourself a sheep when you were wicked?
     
  18. EmSw

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    Hey Hammster, thanks for all the thoughts and comments. I really do appreciate it.

    But I've got to go for now. If you have anything else to say, I will be back later.

    God bless.
     
  19. Hammster

    Hammster Sometimes nothin can be a real cool hand. Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    I don't think I understand the question.
     
  20. ToBeLoved

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    Think about it. "before" they enter.

    In contrast to "when/during" they enter.

    Your issue is that your theology is tied to the sheep being saved before they enter. But they are not sheep before they enter.
     
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