Five Misconceptions About Calvinism

[EmSw]

Romans 8:28-30
Ephesians 2:1-10

Why didn't you quote John?

1 John 2
3 By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.
4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;

 

[EmSw]

That working depend on what verses you are using and the context.

Okay, you and I were both children of wrath, dead in trespasses and sin, and lived to the lusts of the flesh. Were we goats or sheep?

 

[Hammster]

Why didn't you quote John?

1 John 2
3 By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.
4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;

I could have. That's a good one, too.

 

[Hammster]

Okay, you and I were both children of wrath, dead in trespasses and sin, and lived to the lusts of the flesh. Were we goats or sheep?

I wasn't a child of wrath, though I was dead. And I was a sheep. I can't speak for you.

 

[ToBeLoved]

I wasn't a child of wrath, though I was dead. And I was a sheep. I can't speak for you.

What verses do you have that show you can be dead in sin (not saved) and still be a sheep?

 

[ToBeLoved]

What are you taking about? He doesn't call goats sheep, or vice versa.

How is it that you do not know the Biblical meaning behind the word sheep?

 

[Hammster]

How is it that you do not know the Biblical meaning behind the word sheep?

I do, I just don't understand your question.

 

[Foxfyre]

Again my question is as devil's advocate, but I am curious why the Calvinist apologists won't answer my question.

Again the question is:

1. Are there people, human beings, on Earth who were not predestined before the beginning of the world?

2. If so, why?

 

[ToBeLoved]

I do, I just don't understand your question.

I don't know how you can say that you have always been a sheep? A sheep is a saved, follower of Christ.

So before you came to Christ, how were you a sheep? And if you have always been a sheep then you don't need Christ to save you.

 

[EmSw]

I wasn't a child of wrath, though I was dead. And I was a sheep. I can't speak for you.

Really? Do you not believe this -

Ephesians 2:3
Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.

 

[EmSw]

I could have. That's a good one, too.

So, have you kept His commandments, so that you may know Him?

 

[Hammster]

What verses do you have that show you can be dead in sin (not saved) and still be a sheep?

John 10. Plus all of the references to sheep where they are all His.

 

[Hammster]

Really? Do you not believe this -

Ephesians 2:3
Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.

I was by nature a child of wrath. In other words, my nature was the same as a child of wrath.

 

[Hammster]

So, have you kept His commandments, so that you may know Him?

Yes.

 

[EmSw]

I was by nature a child of wrath. In other words, my nature was the same as a child of wrath.

You just said you weren't a child of wrath. It is a sheep's nature to be a child of wrath?

 

[Hammster]

You just said you weren't a child of wrath. It is a sheep's nature to be a child of wrath?

Yes, just like everyone else. That's why sheep need a Shepherd.

 

[EmSw]

Yes.

I don't think you are as much of a Calvinist as you let on. Keep obeying His commandments, Hammster. You know deep inside that keeping His commandments is required of us. Don't let anyone else tell you differently; don't let them deceive you with empty words, and do not be partakers with them.

Ephesians 5
5 For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.
7 Therefore do not be partakers with them.

 

[Hammster]

I don't think you are as much of a Calvinist as you let on. Keep obeying His commandments, Hammster. You know deep inside that keeping His commandments is required of us. Don't let anyone else tell you differently; don't let them deceive you with empty words, and do not be partakers with them.

Ephesians 5
5 For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.
7 Therefore do not be partakers with them.

Why would I not want to obey His commandments? Why do you think being an obedient child is in opposition to Reformed Theology?

 

[EmSw]

Why would I not want to obey His commandments? Why do you think being an obedient child is in opposition to Reformed Theology?

One thing Hammster - is doing good required for salvation? It is required to be a part of the resurrection of life? Is it required to be rendered eternal life by God?

 

[Hammster]

One thing Hammster - is doing good required for salvation? It is required to be a part of the resurrection of life? Is it required to be rendered eternal life by God?

Could you stop avoiding my questions?