Five Misconceptions About Calvinism

[EmSw]

Could you stop avoiding my questions?

Why? Are my questions difficult for you?

 

[Hammster]

Why? Are my questions difficult for you?

No. Could you please stop avoiding mine?

 

[jimmyjimmy]

I understand that particular doctrine. But that is what begs the question.

Why weren't everybody predestined before the creation of the world? Why create souls who would not be so blessed?

Romans 9 is a helpful read.

 

[EmSw]

No. Could you please stop avoiding mine?

You told me you keep the commandments, Hammster. That is all I wanted to know.

 

[Hammster]

You told me you keep the commandments, Hammster. That is all I wanted to know.

I don't think you are as much of a Calvinist as you let on.

Why would I not want to obey His commandments? Why do you think being an obedient child is in opposition to Reformed Theology?

Still waiting.

 

[ToBeLoved]

John 10. Plus all of the references to sheep where they are all His.

How do those verses support your saying you have always been a sheep?

Those verses are talking about those who sneek into the sheep pen (churches) by some other means than through Christ and are infiltrators of the church trying to get to the sheep.

Christ is the only true way into the sheep pen. Thats what those verses are saying

 

[Hammster]

How do those verses support your saying you have always been a sheep?

Those verses are talking about those who sneek into the sheep pen (churches) by some other means than through Christ and are infiltrators of the church trying to get to the sheep.

Christ is the only true way into the sheep pen. Thats what those verses are saying

It's easy, really, if you look past your presuppositions. Who is allowed into the sheep pen? Sheep. Who does the Shepherd call? Sheep. Who does He go after? Sheep.

 

[ToBeLoved]

It's easy, really, if you look past your presuppositions. Who is allowed into the sheep pen? Sheep. Who does the Shepherd call? Sheep. Who does He go after? Sheep.

This verse does not say that Jesus calls His sheep to the sheep pen.

This verse says that the SHEEP (already saved) know His voice.

So I'm not sure how you think that verse is about calling anything because it is about those who are already sheep.

 

[Hammster]

This verse does not say that Jesus calls His sheep to the sheep pen.

This verse says that the SHEEP (already saved) know His voice.

So I'm not sure how you think that verse is about calling anything because it is about those who are already sheep.

“I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved and will come in and go out and find pasture.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:9

We know that He's not letting anyone in or out that isn't a sheep. So only the sheep enter by Him. Only His sheep hear His voice. It's all there. But you'll not understand it if you assume that it's says somewhere that non-sheep can become sheep.

 

[EmSw]

Still waiting.

It's a good thing you want to keep His commandments. It is by keeping His commandments that you enter life. Is this a Reformed belief? It's what Jesus taught us.

 

[Hammster]

It's a good thing you want to keep His commandments. It is by keeping His commandments that you enter life. Is this a Reformed belief? It's what Jesus taught us.

I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions.

 

[ToBeLoved]

It's easy, really, if you look past your presuppositions. Who is allowed into the sheep pen? Sheep. Who does the Shepherd call? Sheep. Who does He go after? Sheep.

No because the verses specifically say that those who do not come through the gate but by another means. Read the verses again.

So there is another way in not through Christ.

 

[Hammster]

No because the verses specifically say that those who do not come through the gate but by another means. Read the verses again.

So there is another way in not through Christ.

I know. Who gets in?

 

[EmSw]

I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions.

Hammster, two things we know about His sheep - they know His voice and they follow Him. Do you agree?

Do you believe you knew His voice and followed Him while in your depraved state, as a child of wrath, obeying your sinful nature, and without Christ? Paul says you had no hope. Did you practice righteousness and love your brother?

Ephesians 2
11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands—
12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

1 John 3:10
In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.

How were you a sheep when you were without God, being uncircumcised, an alien, a stranger, and having no hope?

John tells you who you were when you did not practice righteousness and did not love your brother, that is, a child of the devil. The doctrine of total depravity totally separates you from being a sheep.

 

[EmSw]

I know. Who gets in?

Does a child of wrath get in?

 

[Hammster]

Hammster, two things we know about His sheep - they know His voice and they follow Him. Do you agree?

Do you believe you knew His voice and followed Him while in your depraved state, as a child of wrath, obeying your sinful nature, and without Christ? Paul says you had no hope. Did you practice righteousness and love your brother?

Ephesians 2
11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands—
12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

1 John 3:10
In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.

How were you a sheep when you were without God, being uncircumcised, an alien, a stranger, and having no hope?

John tells you who you were when you did not practice righteousness and did not love your brother, that is, a child of the devil. The doctrine of total depravity totally separates you from being a sheep.

I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions.

 

[Hammster]

Does a child of wrath get in?

I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions.

 

[EmSw]

I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions.

Do you even know what answers for which you are waiting?

 

[Hammster]

Do you even know what answers for which you are waiting?

I'm still waiting.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

I'm still waiting.