Assertion.
Also there is no assumption to it, Revelation 20:14, Clearly says Lake of Fire is Second Death, not a literal lake.
Out-of-context proof text. The lake of fire [LOF] although it is called "
the second death" is not synonymous with death or annihilation. Three living beings, one the false propeht, is a person are thrwon into the LOF but they do not die and are not annihilated instead they are tormented day and night forever and ever. Therefore being thrown into the LOF does not automatically result in death or annihilation.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Jude 1:7 says Eternal Fire means what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah, Sodom and Gomorrah were Annihilated,
By annihilated, do you mean cease to exist or do you mean just death that every person must experience?
YHWH said crystal clear in John 3:35-36 - "The Father loves the Son and has given all things into His hand. 36"He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."
They will not see life, they won't exist.
Where does Jn 3:35-36 say cease to exist?
No, studied myself by The Holy Spirit. also you are not God(YHWH), you aren't with me and do not know what I do to claim, "have been fed..."
Assuming I'll only use websites, I used one quote, the rest I did, you're just suppressing the truth to somehow(even though The Holy Spirit convicts you) believe in these false doctrines of satan.
Where have I ever said or implied that I am God? I deduce what you have been fed by what you are saying here, much of which is copy/pasted from various websites. For example, about 1/2 of post #1 and #3 is a copy/paste "
Response to Matt Chandler" and most, if not all of your psots has a link to an annihilationist website.
God destroys BOTH body AND soul in Hell: Matt 10:28
This verse does not say God destroys both body and soul in hell, only that He is able to. Can you provide any verse where God actually destroys a soul?
Destroys doesn't means Torture, Destroy means... Destroy, if you're destroyed you wouldn't exist. people really need to accept YHWH it's so clear.
The word translated "
destroy" is
ἀπόλλυμι/apollumi. Appolumi occurs 86 times in the NT, of this 71 times, 83%, cannot mean the destruction/annihilation which supposedly occurs at the final judgment. Here is a list of those definitions followed by the complete definition from Bauer, Arndt, Gingrich Lexicdon of N.T. Greek.
(1) ruin, (2) do not bring about his ruin, (3) put to death, the wicked tenants, (4) he will put the evildoers to a miserable death, (5) destroy the wisdom of the wise, (6) destroy the understanding, (7) lose, (8) lose the reward, (9) lose what we have worked for, (10) lose ones life, (11) lose oneself, (12) The man who risks his life in battle has the best chance of saving it; the one who flees to save it is most likely to lose it), (13) ruined, (14) die, the man dies, (15) As a cry of anguish, we are perishing!, (16) of disaster that the stormy sea brings to the seafarer, (17) die by the sword, (18) die of hunger, (19) be corrupted, (20) killed by the snakes, (21) those who are lost, (22) of things be lost, (23) pass away, (24) be ruined, (26) of bursting wineskins, (25) fading beauty, (26) transitory beauty of gold, (27) passing splendor, (28) Of earthly food, (29) spoiled honey, (30) Of falling hair, (31) a member or organ of the body, (32) remnants of food, (33) of wine that has lost its flavor, (34) of sheep gone astray, (35) Of a lost son [that returned].
ἀπόλλυμι for its conj. s. Bl-D. §101 ( s.v. o[llumi ); Rob. 317; fut. ajpolevsw Hs 8, 7, 5, Att. ajpolw` 1 Cor 1:19 (Is 29:14 ); 1 aor. ajpwvlesa ; 1 pf. ajpolwvleka ; fut. mid. ajpolou`mai Lk 13:3 ; 2 aor. ajpwlovmhn ; the 2 pf. ajpovlwla serves as a pf. mid ., ptc. ajpolwlwv" ( Hom. +; inscr. , pap. , LXX , En. , Philo , Joseph. , Test. 12 Patr. ).
1. act .
a. ruin, destroy.
a. of pers. (Sir 10:3 ) Mk 1:24 ; Lk 4:34 . W. ref. to eternal destruction mh; ejkei`non ajpovllue do not
bring about his ruin Ro 14:15 .
Esp. kill, put to death (Gen 20:4 ; Esth 9:6 v.l .; 1 Macc 2:37 ; Jos. , C. Ap. 1, 122) Hs 9, 26, 7. paidivon Mt 2:13 ; Jesus 12:14 ; 27:20 ; Mk 3:6 ; 11:18 ; Lk 19:47 ; B 12:5;
[kill] the wicked tenants kakou;" kakw`" aj. ( s. kakov" 1a)
he will put the evildoers to a miserable death Mt 21:41 . tou;" gewrgouv" Mk 12:9 ; Lk 20:16 ; t. fonei`" Mt 22:7 ; t. mh; pisteuvsanta" those who did not believe Jd 5 ; pavnta" Lk 17:27 , 29 . W. sw`sai (1ike Charito 2, 8, 1) Js 4:12 ; Hs 9, 23, 4. Of eternal death ( Herm. Wr. 4, 7) yuch;n k. sw`ma aj. ejn geevnnh/ Mt 10:28 ; yuchvn B 20:1; t. yucav" Hs 9, 26, 3 ( cf. Sir 20:22 ).
b. w. impers. obj. aj. t. sofivan t. sofw`n
destroy the wisdom of the wise 1 Cor 1:19 (Is 29:14 ). aj. t. diavnoian
destroy the understanding Hm 11:1. g. without obj. J 10:10 .
b. lose ( X. , Pla. +; PPetr. III 51, 5; POxy. 743, 23; PFay. 111, 3 ff ; Sir 6:3 ; 9:6 ; 27:16 et al .; Tob 7:6 BA; 4 Macc 2:14 ) t. misqovn
lose the reward Mt 10:42 ; Mk 9:41 ; Hs 5, 6, 7. dracmhvn ( Dio Chrys. 70[20], 25) Lk 15:8 f ; aj. a} hjrgasavmeqa
lose what we have worked for 2J 8 . diaqhvkhn B 4:6, 8. th;n zwh;n t. ajnqrwvpwn Hm 2:1; cf. s 8, 6, 6; 8, 7, 5; 8, 8, 2 f and 5. th;n ejlpivda m 5, 1, 7. W . colloqu. flavor i{na pa`n o} devdwkevn moi mhv ajpolevsw ejx aujtou` that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me J 6:39 ( Bl-D. §466, 3; Rob. 437; 753). aj. th;n yuchvn ( cf. Sir 20:22 )
lose ones life Mt 10:39 ; 16:25 ; Mk 8:35 ; Lk 9:24 ; 17:33 ; cf. J 12:25 . For this aj. eJautovn
lose oneself Lk 9:25 (similar in form is Tyrtaeus Lyr. [VII BC ], fgm. 8 Diehl 2 lines 12 ff :
The man who risks his life in battle has the best chance of saving it; the one who flees to save it is most likely to lose it).
2. mid . a.
be destroyed, ruined.
a. of pers.
perish, die ( schol. on Nicander , Ther. 188 ajpovllutai oJ ajnhvr =
the man dies) 1 Cl 51:5; 55:6; B 5:4, 12; D 16:5; Hs 6, 2, 1 f.
As a cry of anguish ajpolluvmeqa we are perishing! ( PPetr. II 4, 4 nuni; de; ajpolluvmeqa ) Mt 8:25 ; Mk 4:38 ; Lk 8:24 ( Arrian , Peripl. 3, 3
of disaster that the stormy sea brings to the seafarer). ejn macaivrh/ aj.
die by the sword Mt 26:52 . limw`/
[die] of hunger (Ezk 34:29 ) Lk 15:17 . th`/ ajntilogiva/ tou` Kovre Jd 11 c (because of 11a and b it should perh. =
be corrupted; cf. Polyb. 32, 23, 6). uJpo; tino" ( Hdt. 5. 126; Dio Chrys. 13[7], 12) uJpo; t. o[fewn
killed by the snakes 1 Cor 10:9 ; cf. vs. 1 0. Abs. of a people perish J 11:50 . Of individuals (Lev 23:30 ) Ac 5:37 ; 2 Pt 3:9 ; 1 Cl 12:6; 39:5 (Job 4:20 ).Esp. of eternal death ( cf. Ps 9:6 f ; 36:20; 67:3 ; 91:10 ; Is 41:11 ) J 3:16 ; 17:12 . ajpolevsqai eij" to;n aijw`na perish forever 10:28 (Bar 3:3 hJmei`" ajpolluvmenoi to;n aijw`na). ajnovmw" aj. Ro 2:12 ; mwrw`" aj. IEph 17:2; ejn kauchvsei because of boasting ITr 4:1; cf. IPol 5:2. Abs. 1 Cor 8:11 ; 15:18 ; 2 Cl 17:1. oiJ ajpolluvmenoi ( opp. oiJ sw/zovmenoi , like Plut. , Mor. 469 D )
those who are lost 1 Cor 1:18 ; 2 Cor 2:15 ; 4:3 ; 2 Th 2:10 ; 2 Cl 1:4; 2:5. For this to; ajpolwlov" Lk 19:10 (Mt 18:11 Ezk 34:4 , 16 ). ta; ajpolluvmena 2 Cl 2:7 ( cf. Dit., Syll. 3 417, 9 ta; te ajpolwlovta ejk t. iJerou` ajnevswsan ). b.
of things be lost, pass away, be ruined ( Jos. , Bell. 2, 650 of Jerusalem)
of bursting wineskins Mk 9:17 ; Mk 2:22 ; Lk 5:37 ;
fading beauty Js 1:11 ;
transitory beauty of gold 1 Pt 1:7 ;
passing splendor Rv 18:14 ( w. ajpov as Jer 10:11 ; Da 7:17 ).
Of earthly food J 6:27 ;
spoiled honey Hm 5, 1, 5. Of the heavens which, like the earth, will pass away Hb 1:11 (Ps 101:27 ). Of the end of the world Hv 4, 3, 3, Of
the way of the godless, which is lost in darkness B 11:7 (Ps 1:6 ).
b. be lost (Antipho 54 Diels, Vorsokrat. ajpolovmenon ajrguvrion ; X. , Symp. 1, 5; 1 Km 9:3 ) ISm 10:1.
Of falling hair Lk 21:18 ; Ac 27:34 ;
a member or organ of the body Mt 5:29 f ;
remnants of food J 6:12
.
Of wine that has lost its flavor Hm 12, 5, 3.
Of sheep gone astray Mt 10:6 ; 15:24 ; Lk 15:4 , 6 ; B 5:12 ( cf. Jer 27:6 ; Ezk 34:4 ; Ps 118:176 ).
Of a lost son [who has returned]Lk 15:24 ( Artem. 4, 33 hJ gunhv. . . t. uiJo;n ajpwvlese kai. . . eu|ren aujtovn .JSchniewind, D. Gleichn. vom verl. Sohn 40). aj. qew`/ be lost to God Hs 8, 6, 4. M-M. B. 758; 766.
BAG Lexicon online
Death is eternal for those who reject YHWH.
An empty, unsuppoprted assertion. Prove it from scripture, please?
Hell(Hades) means The Grave, Punishment of sins means death.
An empty, unsupported assertion. Prove it from scripture, please?
If someone will never repent and YHWH kept them alive then they would suffer, That would be the False doctrine of Eternal Torment,
An empty, unsupported assertion. Prove it from scripture, please?
You know why everyone can't be saved? Because not everyone will repent. an unrepentant person who harms others(as that's what sin is,
SavedByChrist94 presents True Christianity: What is Sin? ) and doesn't repent is doomed.
If YHWH keeps someone unrepentant alive after His appearance/2nd Coming, He'll have to separate them from everyone else so they won't harm anyone. then what? that unrepentant person will grow lonely, they hate YHWH, they'll suffer just like the doctrine of Eternal Torment.
So YHWH puts them out of existence, they're not good, they harm and they'll suffer if they stayed alive.
This is not counting the fact that if YHWH appears to the unrepentant person, the only reason they'll Claim repentance is to keep living, Not because they Love others,
See the problems with keeping them alive after YHWH appears? it's just like eternal torment. the only person who caused suffering was the unrepentant person, they choose to be slaves, harm others, suffer, do what they do not want to do(Romans 7).
Empty, unsupported assertions. Prove it from scripture, please?
They will be despised because they sinned, just because they are dispised by others doesn't mean they will live, they can be dead and be looked down on.
Says Shame and Everlasting contempt, Shame isn't everlasting, the Contempt which is by other people is everlasting, so the sinner isn't alive for eternity.
Daniel 12:2 says "
some [shall awake] to shame and everlasting contempt" It does not say they are dead and looked down on. 10[sup]100[/sup] times 10[sup]100[/sup] eons from now God's unchanging word will still say,
Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
reading into the text, there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth because they are going to be annihilated.
Reading your own assumptions into the text. There are five verses with the phrase "
wailing/weeping and gnashing of teeth." Please show me where any one of them says "
weeping and gnashing of teeth because they are going to be annihilated?" Answer: None of them. 10[sup]100[/sup] times 10[sup]100[/sup] eons from now God's unchanging word will still read "
wailing/weeping and gnashing of teeth."
Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 13:50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
And Eternal Fire is a term for death, as shown in first post.
You have not shown that eternal fire means death, anywhere.
Wrath which is a mistranslation of Justice(For lack of a better word)
Strong's Greek: 3709. á½Ïγή (orgé) -- impulse, wrath
Proven by John 3:35-36 - "The Father loves the Son and has given all things into His hand. 36 He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not [a]obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.
Empty, unsupported assertion. How many semester hours of Koine Greek did you say you had? Unless you have stuidied Greek you have no basis for saying any word is mistranslated. Quoting Jn 3:35-36 does not prove wrath is mistranslated.
So it's settled, they will not see life according to John 3:35-36, Eternal Torment is False and Unbiblical
Nothing is settled. All you have done is give your unsupported opinion over and over. No, zero. none evidence. I proved just the opposite in [post=65000969]
Post #41[/post] from historical Jewish sources. FYI the Talmud is not a secular source, it is commentary on the OT by Hebrew speaking Jewish Rabbis. And irrespective of your opinion of it, the Talmud is documented history of what the Jews before and during the time of Jesus believed, not only about hell but many other topics as well..