Does willful sin separate the elect from God?

[CharismaticLady]

Ephesians 4:29
Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.

Ephesians 5:4
Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving.

Thank you for your time, I go now and block you out of my life.

What do you believe sin is, sweet peas?

 

[Grip Docility]

It has nothing to do with dishonesty-and everything about understanding God's will/promises, of His purpose and plan for man. To be convicted of sin, to admit that we're worthless wretches, unable to be righteousness, is the first step in conversion to our Lord. It's the first step in being sinless, just as admitting ignorance is the first step in gaining knowledge. But to continue to repeat this, as if it's some kind of noble thing to do is not much different in the end from the Pharisee in Luke 18:11.

At some point God is saying, "Ok, ok, I know you're a sinner, but let's get past that point now. I didn't do all this just so you can remain a sinner-I never created you to sin after all. I've had a purpose and plan for creation from the beginning-to perfect it even if that involved a Fall early on. We're learning something here-that falling and sinning is bad, wrong, useless, not worth it-earning nothing but death. I didn't send my Son merely to win forgiveness for you but also for you to be enabled to "go, and sin no more". I want you on that path-a path I've made just for you. And I'll continue to walk with and work with you on it; I'll pull you back up if you slip and fall now and then as long as you care, as long as you strive. Then at the end of the day only I, your God, will give you a just judgment as to how well you walked that walk with all the grace I gave.

But I will, as I promised, place my Law in your mind and write it on your heart. Jer 31:32

That inheritance is paid on death.

 

[ilovejcsog]

People who willfully (practice) sin are not Christians. If it is willfully or practiced they are not repentant.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

What do you believe sin is, sweet peas?

What do you think ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; ROMANS 3:20 and JAMES 2:10-11 means? Whatsoever is not of faith is sin *ROMANS 14:23. If we do not believe and follow God's WORD it is sin.

 

[bcbsr]

People who willfully (practice) sin are not Christians.

To be accurate, they have not been born of God. (1John 3:9) Christians are followers of Christ. Many Christians are on the path to life. They just haven't arrived yet, a fact of which many of them admit to.

 

[Wrangler]

I see the question as having a contradiction, like saying is a person on a diet who over eats still on a diet.

Why in the world would a person “in Christ” murder 1,000 times? Not very Christ-like behavior. So, I reject the ‘once saved, always saved’ hypothesis.

Is obedience ‘works?’ No, as James said, works is the consequence of faith. I find since I received the Holy Spirit, I ask for forgiveness MUCH more.

 

[klutedavid]

What do you believe about Christians committing willful sins of lawlessness? Here is a Statement from Martin Luther: "(For those in Christ) even if we were to commit murder and adultery 1000 times a day it would not separate us from God."

Do you believe as Martin Luther whose statement evolved into the OSAS doctrine, or not? Can someone be assured of salvation if they willfully sin like stated with no repentance? Are they still the "elect"?

Everyone sins and everyone commits willful sin and there are no exceptions to this rule.

Some sin more and some sin less, in the end, you will never find a righteous person because they do not exist. Everyone sins to some degree!

I believe that the problem reduces to that belief in Jesus and the continuous exertion of that love towards others.

God is love and if you love others, then you have effectively implemented everything that God could ever ask of you.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I see the question as having a contradiction, like saying is a person on a diet who over eats still on a diet.

Why in the world would a person “in Christ” murder 1,000 times? Not very Christ-like behavior. So, I reject the ‘once saved, always saved’ hypothesis.

Is obedience ‘works?’ No, as James said, works is the consequence of faith. I find since I received the Holy Spirit, I ask for forgiveness MUCH more.

These people in this thread who are declaring you must be completely sinless to enter into salvation (which only Christ is) aren't speaking to people who committed a thousand murders though..

Instead, they are speaking to people who may have had a stray lustful thought, or told a co-worker their dress was pretty (when they didnt believe it to be true)

they are speaking to the new Christian or the teenager who sometimes struggles with sin, and declares to them they don't (and cant) belong to Christ...

that's a dangerous road, considering what the Bible says of those who who put stumbling blocks in front of believers.

 

[Grip Docility]

Not in the text we are talking about.

1 Corinthians 10:32-33 ; 1 Corinthians 9:22

 

[fhansen]

That inheritance is paid on death.

Sin will still win the wage of death. Man does not escape his obligation to be righteousness under the New Covenant. Instead, now that he's convinced of his failure to be able to obey on his own, he's finally ready to receive the means to fulfill that obligation; he's given the pathway to God to put it another way, a trip that begins with faith, faith in God instead of himself. Because God can accomplish in us what we cannot. And Jesus came to reconcile us with Him

 

[Wrangler]

that's a dangerous road, considering what the Bible says of those who who put stumbling blocks in front of believers.

The truth is not an obstacle for the truth will set you free. God's grace better not be thought of as license to sin with impunity.

A new Christian, who just turned to Christ, should get in the habit of frequent praying, growing awareness of how far they are from Christ, repenting with each act of disobedience, knowing such humility brings them honor and God glory.

 

[CharismaticLady]

What do you think ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; ROMANS 3:20 and JAMES 2:10-11 means? Whatsoever is not of faith is sin *ROMANS 14:23. If we do not believe and follow God's WORD it is sin.

I know what sin is. That is why I don't do it.

 

[Grip Docility]

Sin will still win the wage of death. Man does not escape his obligation to be righteousness under the New Covenant. Instead, now that he's convinced of his failure to be able to obey on his own, he's finally ready to receive the means to fulfill that obligation; he's given the pathway to God to put it another way, a trip that begins with faith, faith in God instead of himself. Because God can accomplish in us what we cannot. And Jesus came to reconcile us with Him

If a person thinks they can Hebrews 2:14 as the second Adam, they have a God complex.

 

[Grip Docility]

I know what sin is. That is why I don't do it.

1 John 1:8-10
James 2:10

Are you claiming to be carnally righteous by the law of sin and death? (Deuteronomy 31:26)

 

[CharismaticLady]

1 John 1:8-10
James 2:10

Are you claiming to be carnally righteous by the law of sin and death? (Deuteronomy 31:26)

I believe Jesus when He says He takes away our sin. I see many here don't believe Him.

 

[Grip Docility]

I believe Jesus when He says He takes away our sin. I see many here don't believe Him.

I believe Him, too. The righteous became Sin for the unrighteous, that the unrighteous could be declared the righteousness of God.

How can someone who is well, claim they need The Good Physician?

Are you righteous by the Law of Moses, in your flesh?

 

[fhansen]

If a person thinks they can Hebrews 2:14 as the second Adam, they have a God complex.

Death is overcome as sin is also overcome in us, the two go hand in hand-a free gift yet one we can always reject. Again, faith is still required, and faith doesn't replace or excuse the need for true righteousness in us; it provides the pathway to it.

 

[Grip Docility]

Death is overcome as sin is also overcome in us, the two go hand in hand-a free gift yet one we can always reject. Again, faith is still required, and faith doesn't replace or excuse the need for true righteousness in us; it provides the pathway to it.

So you’re calling fleshly Righteousness... “True Righteousness”?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I believe Jesus when He says He takes away our sin. I see many here don't believe Him.

You are confused. Everyone here believes JESUS takes away our sins. It seems some think however that we can be saved by continuing in known unrepentant sin. This is unbiblical. Yep many are going to be disappointed come judgment day *MATTHEW 7:22-23; HEBREWS 10:26-31. JESUS saves us from sin not to continue in it *JOHN 8:31-36. Only those who endure temptation to the end BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD are the ones that received eternal life *JAMES 1:12.

 

[Grip Docility]

You are confused. Everyone here believes JESUS takes away our sins. Some seem to think we can be saved by continuing in known unrepentant sin. This is unbiblical. Yep many are going to be disappointed come judgment day *MATTHEW 7:22-23; HEBREWS 10:26-31. JESUS saves us from sin not to continue in it *JOHN 8:31-36. Only those who endure temptation to the end BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD are the ones that received eternal life *JAMES 1:12.

Unrepentant Sin is to deny that we are sinners and in need of Jesus’ Righteousness.

I can win a debate like this every time by asking if a person sins and still has to repent. I know a person is lying if they deny they still fail... and if they tell the truth, they are caught in duplicity.

God’s standard of Righteousness is only fulfillable by God, While we are in these bodies of death.