Does Science Agree With the Bible?

[Subduction Zone]

Thou hast spoken?

History has spoken. The city was supposed to be never inhabited again and yet people live there today. Read the verse.

And for fun here is a link to a list of failed prophecies of the Bible:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_prophecies

 

[ScottA]

And once again the rules of this forum say that essentially science can hold sway here. We are not even allowed to discuss the existence of God here except under very limited circumstances. But since you claimed that empirical evidence is "too archaic" the burden of proof for that falls upon you.

You really need to stop taking your toys and going home (to your empirical world). Given the subject matter, it's just not effective.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You think too small. I wasn't talking about the rules here, as in here, but as in the subject of which we are speaking. What would the point be of comparing science with the bible, if it were all done according to science?

If the Bible supported science it would show that the Bible agrees with science, the subject of this thread. But as we know, it doesn't. Science can be used to show that many interpretations of the Bible are wrong.

And I am not "thinking too small". Again, we are limited in what we can debate here. Name some other forum where people can debate more freely if you want to complain about the responses that you are getting here.

But the simple fact is that you have not and seem unable to support your own beliefs here. And that you have any knowledge at all is highly dubious.

 

[Edmond Smith]

Too bad. With a little honesty on your part you could have learned something. And watch the false accusations. That is against the rules of this forum. Again, I do not have the flaw of faith, or rather I try to minimalize it.

I was honest. You just didn't want to believe I was.

And how can I face that which does not exist? I have already shown that I will not be meeting your version of God. You are running away because you know that you are wrong but can't bring yourself to admit it. I even offered to break everything down for you and that was too much.

There's only one God, you'll face Him. You haven't shown me anything that you wouldn't meet God. You will. Nope not running away because I'm wrong. Again, you can't tell anyone who thinks they know all, anything. You have? Break down why there is no God.

But I know that I do not know it all. I simply know much more than you do. Your main flaw is that you will not let yourself learn because you are afraid. Knowledge is nothing to be afraid of.

Your correct knowledge is nothing to be afraid of...remember that as you Learn about God. You know that what is necessary to justify your sins. that's all.

Who can say that I am "not with God". I am just not with your demonstrably wrong version of God.

You are your own evidence on that. What you say, comes from your heart. If you were with God, you'd have the fear of God and with that comes the knowledge of God and then wisdom. Of which you have none, because you have no fear. Not a good thing.

And again the empty threats and bad logic. People only threaten when they know that they are wrong.

There not threats...a threat is something the might happen. Not threatening you, Warning you. You will see one day.

But the Bible is not a valid source. We have been over this and you are merely picking and choosing from a failed book. That proves nothing.

That "failed book" has lasted longer than any other, will be here long after you and I are gone, and you'll hear the words again.

But faith is a flaw. Your faith is only an irrational response to a rational fear. Yes, it is rational to be afraid of death. It is irrational to make up stories to allay those fears.

Nope, I don't fear death, not in the least. Because I know that when I die, I will be with Christ. I fear God, because he is the one who can send me to Hell. But I fear no man, ever.
Then your flawed. Because you have faith.

And back to the empty threats. The simple fact is that your version of God has been shown to be wrong, just as the version of God of the Flat Earthers has been shown to be wrong. I do not claim that all versions of God have been refuted. But your personal view can be shown to be wrong. Do you understand that when I say there are "40,000 different versions of God" I am including those that you call "false". But just as science shows that the version of God that the Flat Earthers have is "false" science shows that your version of God is "false".

Your right again, there are false gods and have been proven to be so. but God Jehovah of the Bible. The Creator, the alpha and omega, the forgiver of all sins, the God that will judge you and me someday, the God everlasting, omniscience, omnipotent, The bright and morning star. El, Eloah, Elohim, El shaddai, Adonai, YHWH,YAWEH JIREH, YAHWAH RAPHA...NEVER HAS and NEVER WILL be refuted.

You don't have to drop Christianity to accept science and reality. These Christians have not done so:

Never said I don't accept science. Love science. I don't accept evolution as a science...it's a hoax, lie, flimflam, and garbage.
And again, showing you have faith in it.

http://biologos.org/

Yeah, seen that website...it's wrong also, they belong to the list of gods that have been refuted. they've made up a god that needs evolution to create. the real God of Gods, the first and the last...doesn't need any help. Not even from me.
You'll see one day.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You really need to stop taking your toys and going home (to your empirical world). Given the subject matter, it's just not effective.

Again these are not my rules. They are the rules of the forum. Is that such a hard concept for you to understand?

 

[AV1611VET]

History has spoken.

Then history can take a hike.

Show me from historical documentation that Tyre was never destroyed in the first place.

The city was supposed to be never inhabited again and yet people live there today.

Oh, wow.

So someone builds a tel and calls it by the name of the city it was built on.

And that constitutes "failed prophecy"?

I don't think so.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Wrong, but since you have shown that you can't discuss science rationally there really is no point in discussing this with you. Sadly you deny all science but have no problem in hypocritically using the benefits of the science that you deny.

What is the point, science does just as much harm as it does good.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What is the point, science does just as much harm as it does good.

Really? I disagree. Science, like any tool can be abused, but it has done far more good than evil in my eyes.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Then history can take a hike.

Show me from historical documentation that Tyre was never destroyed in the first place.Oh, wow.

So someone builds a tel and calls it by the name of the city it was built on.

And that constitutes "failed prophecy"?

I don't think so.

Yes, according to the prophecy it was not even supposed to be rebuilt. No one was to live on it again. Read your Bible. It failed.

 

[ScottA]

If the Bible supported science it would show that the Bible agrees with science, the subject of this thread. But as we know, it doesn't. Science can be used to show that many interpretations of the Bible are wrong.

And I am not "thinking too small". Again, we are limited in what we can debate here. Name some other forum where people can debate more freely if you want to complain about the responses that you are getting here.

But the simple fact is that you have not and seem unable to support your own beliefs here. And that you have any knowledge at all is highly dubious.

No, the problem is, we are not dealing with a level playing field, and you don't even recognize that you are not allowing any terms but your own. The subject goes beyond your [scientific] position. If you do not see that we must also go beyond your [scientific] position to address the topic...then we can't even begin to address it. I am just trying to get it started.

 

[HitchSlap]

You are wrong. It's perfect:

"Unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 18:3

Asking adults to think like children is, well, stupid.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, according to the prophecy it was not even supposed to be rebuilt. No one was to live on it again. Read your Bible. It failed.

As I said, if all they had to do is build a tel and call it "Tyre," then I submit you guys are easily buffaloed.

 

[ScottA]

Again these are not my rules. They are the rules of the forum. Is that such a hard concept for you to understand?

No, the rules here do not limit you from allowing outside information for outside topics. That limit is your limit, and it makes this topic something that cannot be discussed. If you can support your [empirical] position with empirical evidence, then we should be able to support our [spiritual] position with spiritual evidence. And if you can't agree to that, then we can't even get started (because of you).

 

[Subduction Zone]

I was honest. You just didn't want to believe I was.

No, your posts show a lack of being honest with yourself. It is not a matter of me believing you.

There's only one God, you'll face Him. You haven't shown me anything that you wouldn't meet God. You will. Nope not running away because I'm wrong. Again, you can't tell anyone who thinks they know all, anything. You have? Break down why there is no God.

There may be one god, but it is clearly not your version. And I have shown you, you simply will not let yourself see. And I never claimed that there was no god. That is an example of a strawman by you. I can show why your version of god does not exist. There is a big difference between showing that your "God" does not exist and showing that there are no gods at all.

Your correct knowledge is nothing to be afraid of...remember that as you Learn about God. You know that what is necessary to justify your sins. that's all.

Then why are you afraid to learn?

You are your own evidence on that. What you say, comes from your heart. If you were with God, you'd have the fear of God and with that comes the knowledge of God and then wisdom. Of which you have none, because you have no fear. Not a good thing.

Wrong. I am simply not afraid of your version of God, but then your version has been shown to be as wrong as the version that the Flat Earthers have.

There not threats...a threat is something the might happen. Not threatening you, Warning you. You will see one day.

Sure they are. You just made another empty threat. You sound just like a five year old on the school yard, threatening that his big brother will beat someone else up since he is not able to.

That "failed book" has lasted longer than any other, will be here long after you and I are gone, and you'll hear the words again.

I know that that failed book will be around for a while. Of course it is becoming less and less a force in this world. My grandkids may not get threatened with its nonsense, though I know that I will be threatened for some time yet.

Nope, I don't fear death, not in the least. Because I know that when I die, I will be with Christ. I fear God, because he is the one who can send me to Hell. But I fear no man, ever.
Then your flawed. Because you have faith.

Of course you do. That is the reason that you will not let go of irrational beliefs. You are afraid to look at science because it may show your version of god to be wrong. That is fear.

Your right again, there are false gods and have been proven to be so. but God Jehovah of the Bible. The Creator, the alpha and omega, the forgiver of all sins, the God that will judge you and me someday, the God everlasting, omniscience, omnipotent, The bright and morning star. El, Eloah, Elohim, El shaddai, Adonai, YHWH,YAWEH JIREH, YAHWAH RAPHA...NEVER HAS and NEVER WILL be refuted.

Again, it depends upon which version. The flat Earthers' version of "El, Eloah, Elohim, El shaddai, Adonai, YHWH,YAWEH JIREH, YAHWAH RAPHA..." has been refuted by science, you as much as admitted that, and so has yours. I gave you a link to a group whose version has not been refuted, yet.

Never said I don't accept science. Love science. I don't accept evolution as a science...it's a hoax, lie, flimflam, and garbage.
And again, showing you have faith in it.

Sorry, but you just contradicted yourself again. You have to reject all of science to hold your beliefs. And no, I give evolution earned respect, unlike you I do not have the flaw of faith.

Yeah, seen that website...it's wrong also, they belong to the list of gods that have been refuted. they've made up a god that needs evolution to create. the real God of Gods, the first and the last...doesn't need any help. Not even from me.
You'll see one day.

And yet you have no evidence that they are wrong where they have and I have massive evidence that you are wrong. Sorry, but you simply believe in a false version of God. It seems that your fear will not allow for rational discourse. Remember, ice floats.

 

[ScottA]

Asking adults to think like children is, well, stupid.

And, that, is your hangup.

 

[Loudmouth]

Sandlot rules. Ours, not yours. Sorry, that doesn't work here. Empirical evidence is too archaic.

Then your claims are indistinguishable from something that is made up and doesn't exist.

 

[Subduction Zone]

As I said, if all they had to do is build a tel and call it "Tyre," then I submit you guys are easily buffaloed.

Please use proper English. "Tel" is not an example of that:

https://www.google.com/search?q=tel...9i61j69i60l2&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=0&ie=UTF-8

The simple fact is that Tyre has always existed. I can link you histories of Tyre. Whatever you need. But don't trust me read the prophecy. It is about Nebby and only Nebby. When you bring Alex in you lose, and even he did not destroy Tyre as predicted in the Bible.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Where is your evidence that Noah spread this knowledge?

My evidence is in the Bible. My evidence is in your Biology book and my evidence is in the History book. All three of them agree. Of course you have Archaeology, Botany and Environmentalism and more detailed areas of study also. College text books are filled with information about this subject. We are talking about HOW farming begain in the Middle East and spread to Europe. It is interesting that very much the same thing was going on in the Yellow River valley in China. If that makes you more comfortable to talk about that. From the Eden in China farming spread out to all of China. From the Furtile Crescent farming spread out to Europe. One if the interesting areas to study is the Ancient Silk Highway. Where the East and the West slowly began to blend their food supply. For example the first noodles were from China. When the traders were taking silk material from China into the East they also took Chinese noodles with them. Only in the West they made noodles out of the grains they had. Instead of rice noodles or bean noodles they made noodles out of wheat, rye and barley. Still east is east and west is west and they both have their own Eden and their own food supply that evolved along with their biodiverse eco system. As I am sure you could tell me just how many eco systems there are here on planet earth on land and the sea.

 

[Loudmouth]

My evidence is in the Bible.

I am asking for the evidence that the claims made in the Bible are true. Simply repeating the claims is not evidence.

My evidence is in your Biology book and my evidence is in the History book.

And what is it?

We are talking about HOW farming begain in the Middle East and spread to Europe. It is interesting that very much the same thing was going on in the Yellow River valley in China. If that makes you more comfortable to talk about that. From the Eden in China farming spread out to all of China.

Stop right there. Eden? Where is your evidence for this?

From the Furtile Crescent farming spread out to Europe. One if the interesting areas to study is the Ancient Silk Highway. Where the East and the West slowly began to blend their food supply. For example the first noodles were from China. When the traders were taking silk material from China into the East they also took Chinese noodles with them. Only in the West they made noodles out of the grains they had. Instead of rice noodles or bean noodles they made noodles out of wheat, rye and barley. Still east is east and west is west and they both have their own Eden and their own food supply that evolved along with their biodiverse eco system. As I am sure you could tell me just how many eco systems there are here on planet earth on land and the sea.

Not seeing anything about Noah here.

 

[Michael]

If the Bible supported science it would show that the Bible agrees with science, the subject of this thread. But as we know, it doesn't.

That really depends on whether or not one subjectively chooses to interpret the Bible literally in every instance, in which case half of the stuff Jesus said in that book makes no sense at all. Lots of historical facts that are recorded in the Bible have already been verified by archaeology. If one isn't attached to the concept of interpreting the Bible literally, or Biblical infallibility, most parts of the book agree with science. Most "Christians" don't have any trouble with the concept of an ancient Earth, and most of them embrace evolutionary theory.

Science can be used to show that many interpretations of the Bible are wrong.

The operative word is "interpretation", and I agree with you as do most Christians.