Does Science Agree With the Bible?

[Subduction Zone]

That really depends on whether or not one subjectively chooses to interpret the Bible literally in every instance, in which case half of the stuff Jesus said in that book makes no sense at all. Lots of historical facts that are recorded in the Bible have already been verified by archaeology. If one isn't attached to the concept of interpreting the Bible literally, or Biblical infallibility, most parts of the book agree with science. Most "Christians" don't have any trouble with the concept of an ancient Earth, and most of them embrace evolutionary theory.



The operative word is "interpretation", and I agree with you as do most Christians.

I agree the ones that I have a problem with are those Christians that are only one step away from being Flat Earthers. It is ironic that they can see how science refutes the Flat Earth interpretation of the Bible, but they cannot see that that does not also apply to their beliefs.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Suit yourself.

If you want to believe that, you can.

Just don't expect me to.

It is not a matter of want. If you think rationally there is no choice in thinking. But if people think like you do they can choose to believe anything. You cannot argue rationally for the Tyre prophesy since it obviously failed. That leaves you with irrational thought only. But that also leads to belief in the Tooth Fairy and Unicorns. It is actually a sort of belief that is harmful for Christianity. It is also the sort of belief that the weak in faith have. The strong in faith can still believe the message of the Bible and accept reality.

 

[joshua 1 9]

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[HitchSlap]

‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’ Matthew 25:40

So you do have a Jesus complex?

 

[Smidlee]

I agree the ones that I have a problem with are those Christians that are only one step away from being Flat Earthers. It is ironic that they can see how science refutes the Flat Earth interpretation of the Bible, but they cannot see that that does not also apply to their beliefs.

It's ironic that there are still people believing in the flat earth myth even though it's been refuted. It's known the earth was round in ancient times since they used the stars to navigate their ships.

 

[joshua 1 9]

That the character named Noah in Genesis spread the technology of farming, as you claimed.

Close but no banana. In order for farming to be spread you have to have seeds that you can transport from one area to another. Let me get a quote for you:

"The wild progenitors of crops including wheat, barley, and peas are traced to the Near East region. Cereals were grown in Syria as long as 9,000 years ago, while figs were cultivated even earlier; prehistoric seedless fruits discovered in the Jordan Valley suggest fig trees were being planted some 11,300 years ago. Though the transition from wild harvesting was gradual, the switch from a nomadic to a settled way of life is marked by the appearance of early Neolithic villages with homes equipped with grinding stones for processing grain." https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/development-of-agriculture/

Notice the word: "transition". That is what we are talking about. Now lets look in Wiki:

"Once agriculture started gaining momentum, human activity resulted in the selective breeding of cereal grasses (beginning with emmer, einkorn and barley), and not simply of those that would favour greater caloric returns through larger seeds. Plants that possessed traits such as small seeds or bitter taste would have been seen as undesirable. Plants that rapidly shed their seeds on maturity tended not to be gathered at harvest, therefore not stored and not seeded the following season; years of harvesting selected for strains that retained their edible seeds longer." wiki

In this case "transition" requires "selective breeding". Moses was a part of this transition because he was a part of the "selective breeding" process to develop the seeds for the neolithic revolution.

Notice it took years (generations) to develop these seeds. When the floods came Moses was ready to preserve those seeds so that they were not destoryed. He preserved the fruit of the Neolithic revolution. Adam was a very important person as he was the very first farmer. Abraham was a very important person and the father of all the people in the middle east. Just as Noah was a very important person. Even if you want to view him as a archetype. You can not deny that Abraham was the patriarch because of the evidence we find to that effect in the DNA. Just like we have evidence in the Cohen Gene for the priesthood to be descended from Arron Moses brother. So every branch of science touches upon the Bible and offers you evidence for the validity and the truth we find in the Bible. That is why EVERY generation from the beginning has verified the Bible and encourage the next generation to do the same and to verify the Bible for themselves and their generation. With the evidence each generation has for themselves standing on the shoulders of the giants before them.

The Bible is all about the generations. As a biologist you should know exactly what a generation is. As the Bible says: "These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created". You could spend your whole life to study the meaning of that one word: "generations". When you are done you would only just be getting started an another man would have to spend his WHOLE life to finish the work you spent your whole life on. Maybe even a third man and a third generation would have to spend their life to study JUST this ONE WORD and it's meaning and it's significance.

Selective breeding involves the generations and they have studied this for over 100 years now. Moses made a very significant contribution to selective breeding and artificial selection as I pointed out to you in the quote of needed to select the right seeds for the farming revolution to begin and spread to the rest of the world.

This is the way it works. The beginning is in Eden in a bio diverse ecosystem. Then from there the seeds adapt and spread to the rest of the world. East and West is a lot faster but species can travel north and south also. You talk about Darwin a mere 100 years ago but Moses was the first evolutionists over 3500 years ago. He was one of many giants that Darwin was able to stand on his shoulders if Darwin realized it or not. Even if Darwin loved to talk about science and he did not like to talk to people about religion.

So again you have the generations, this involved selective breeding and natural selection. From one generation to the next. You use terms like founder effect when talking about the generations. We talk about Abraham as a founder or a father. He was there in the beginning of the generation that began the neolithic revolution as a citizen of the city of Ur as Abraham was a Chaldean. The Sumerians gave us the clay tablets and recorded history. All these people made their contribution. So knowledge passed from the Sumerians to the Phoenicians that gave us Phonics and the alphabet. To the Babylons to the Egyptians to the Greeks. Abraham a Chaldean passed this knowledge to Moses an Egyptian. Before Abraham was Moses and before Moses was Adam. So you can say that Moses preserved state of the art technology that took generation to perfect so that the advances were not lost to the future generations. Otherwise the floods came and all of their advances and progress would have been lost.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It's ironic that there are still people believing in the flat earth myth even though it's been refuted. It's known the earth was round in ancient times since they used the stars to navigate their ships.

People have all sorts of strange beliefs. The Flat Earth believers tend to take certain verses of the Bible very literally.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Close but no banana. In order for farming to be spread you have to have seeds that you can transport from one area to another. Let me get a quote for you:

"The wild progenitors of crops including wheat, barley, and peas are traced to the Near East region. Cereals were grown in Syria as long as 9,000 years ago, while figs were cultivated even earlier; prehistoric seedless fruits discovered in the Jordan Valley suggest fig trees were being planted some 11,300 years ago. Though the transition from wild harvesting was gradual, the switch from a nomadic to a settled way of life is marked by the appearance of early Neolithic villages with homes equipped with grinding stones for processing grain." https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/development-of-agriculture/

Notice the word: "transition". That is what we are talking about. Now lets look in Wiki:

"Once agriculture started gaining momentum, human activity resulted in the selective breeding of cereal grasses (beginning with emmer, einkorn and barley), and not simply of those that would favour greater caloric returns through larger seeds. Plants that possessed traits such as small seeds or bitter taste would have been seen as undesirable. Plants that rapidly shed their seeds on maturity tended not to be gathered at harvest, therefore not stored and not seeded the following season; years of harvesting selected for strains that retained their edible seeds longer." wiki

In this case "transition" requires "selective breeding". Moses was a part of this transition because he was a part of the "selective breeding" process to develop the seeds for the neolithic revolution.

Notice it took years (generations) to develop these seeds. When the floods came Moses was ready to preserve those seeds so that they were not destoryed. He preserved the fruit of the Neolithic revolution. Adam was a very important person as he was the very first farmer. Abraham was a very important person and the father of all the people in the middle east. Just as Noah was a very important person. Even if you want to view him as a archetype. You can not deny that Abraham was the patriarch because of the evidence we find to that effect in the DNA. Just like we have evidence in the Cohen Gene for the priesthood to be descended from Arron Moses brother. So every branch of science touches upon the Bible and offers you evidence for the validity and the truth we find in the Bible. That is why EVERY generation from the beginning has verified the Bible and encourage the next generation to do the same and to verify the Bible for themselves and their generation. With the evidence each generation has for themselves standing on the shoulders of the giants before them.

The Bible is all about the generations. As a biologist you should know exactly what a generation is. As the Bible says: "These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created". You could spend your whole life to study the meaning of that one word: "generations". When you are done you would only just be getting started an another man would have to spend his WHOLE life to finish the work you spent your whole life on. Maybe even a third man and a third generation would have to spend their life to study JUST this ONE WORD and it's meaning and it's significance.

Selective breeding involves the generations and they have studied this for over 100 years now. Moses made a very significant contribution to selective breeding and artificial selection as I pointed out to you in the quote of needed to select the right seeds for the farming revolution to begin and spread to the rest of the world.

This is the way it works. The beginning is in Eden in a bio diverse ecosystem. Then from there the seeds adapt and spread to the rest of the world. East and West is a lot faster but species can travel north and south also. You talk about Darwin a mere 100 years ago but Moses was the first evolutionists over 3500 years ago. He was one of many giants that Darwin was able to stand on his shoulders if Darwin realized it or not. Even if Darwin loved to talk about science and he did not like to talk to people about religion.

Nothing in that article supports the existence of Noah or Moses. And you need to read your Bible. Moses was long after Noah. Also, every branch of science disagrees with the Bible.

 

[ScottA]

I agree the ones that I have a problem with are those Christians that are only one step away from being Flat Earthers. It is ironic that they can see how science refutes the Flat Earth interpretation of the Bible, but they cannot see that that does not also apply to their beliefs.

The irony that we struggle most with here, is that the scientific crowd are now the current Flat Earthers, with their feet so firmly planted in physics they can't see beyond it, as if different realms were unthinkable. We've come full-circle.

 

[dad]

You are assuming that there is a creator

Jesus proved it.

and a fishbowl.

The places man has gone are limited and what he knows. His range is aptly compared to a fishbowl in this big created universe.

 

[joshua 1 9]

It's ironic that there are still people believing in the flat earth myth even though it's been refuted. It's known the earth was round in ancient times since they used the stars to navigate their ships.

It is a myth that anyone ever believed in a flat earth. Eratosthenes used math that had been around for a long time to show that the earth was round in 276 BC. Even the math goes back thousands of years before his time.

 

[dad]

Wrong, but since you have shown that you can't discuss science rationally there really is no point in discussing this with you. Sadly you deny all science but have no problem in hypocritically using the benefits of the science that you deny.

Science? Don't pretend you link to it, post it, or have anything to do with it but some perception in your own head! Your antigod rantings and frequent allusions to having some science are delusions. You have nothing in the science or religious depts.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Science? Don't pretend you link to it, post it, or have anything to do with it but some perception in your own head! Your antigod rantings and frequent allusions to having some science are delusions. You have nothing in the science or religious depts.

I have made no anti-god rantings. Please, you are conflating me with yourself. And I know far more about science than you ever will. You won't let yourself learn anything. And I also seem to have a better handle on the Bible than you do. I don't have the self imposed handicaps to understanding that you give yourself.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Nothing in that article supports the existence of Noah or Moses. And you need to read your Bible. Moses was long after Noah. Also, every branch of science disagrees with the Bible.

You need to read what I wrote and put a little effort into trying to understand what I am trying to teach you. Because right now I am going to have to give you the same grade that you are wanting to give me.

 

[dad]

I have made no anti-god rantings.

We'll let your words stand for themselves.

And I know far more about science than you ever will.

We hear that from you a lot. Hilarious. I wonder if Trump stepped on one end of a scale that measured egos, and you on the other...who would win!

You won't let yourself learn anything.

Look in a mirror and read your own posts sometime and see what anyone could possibly learn. Almost never any science and often Satanic doubts about God and His word and prophesy etc. End of story. Period. That's all she wrote.

And I also seem to have a better handle on the Bible than you do.

OK, Donald, you out there? Let's get this weighing thing going!

I don't have the self imposed handicaps to understanding that you give yourself.

We know. You probably do not even need toilet paper at your house.

 

[HitchSlap]

The irony that we struggle most with here, is that the scientific crowd are now the current Flat Earthers, with their feet so firmly planted in physics they can't see beyond it, as if different realms were unthinkable. We've come full-circle.

In your world, every conceivable ideas is actual reality?
So New Agey of you.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Stop right there. Eden? Where is your evidence for this?

I told you again and again and again. The very best evidence for Eden is in the Biology book. Science even uses the word Eden just like they use the word Adam and Eve. We now know that the Eden in the Bible was not the ONLY Eden, there are many Edens on land and in the ocean. This is what a population explosion (radiation) is all about. The Bible teaches that God repopulates the earth with a remnant of what was here before. The same as we learn from our Biology book. Before you read your Bible you need to really study your Biology so you can understand what the Bible is teaching you.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You need to read what I wrote and put a little effort into trying to understand what I am trying to teach you. Because right now I am going to have to give you the same grade that you are wanting to give me.

The problem is that you are the ignorant student. I have not even tried to teach you. So as of now you get an F. If you want me to help you to learn then you can grade me. Otherwise I will merely point out your errors. If you want me to help you to learn then you can grade me after the attempt.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Nothing in that article supports the existence of Noah or Moses. And you need to read your Bible. Moses was long after Noah. Also, every branch of science disagrees with the Bible.

If you want to consider Noah an archetype go ahead. There is no conflict between the Bible and Science. They go hand in hand and you can not understand one with out the other. If it were not for Abraham and Moses you would not even have any science today. Do you understand the significance of recorded history? You keep wanting the throw the history book away. How is that any different then Isis over in Iraq trying to destroy the museums and the artifacts that are thousands of years old? Why does Isis want to destroy our historical heritage?

 

[Subduction Zone]

We'll let your words stand for themselves.
We hear that from you a lot. Hilarious. I wonder if Trump stepped on one end of a scale that measured egos, and you on the other...who would win!

Hardly. You know practically nothing of the sciences so me claiming that I know more than you ever possibly could is not that large of a claim.

Look in a mirror and read your own posts sometime and see what anyone could possibly learn. Almost never any science and often Satanic doubts about God and His word and prophesy etc. End of story. Period. That's all she wrote.

What are you nattering about? When people will not accept science it does very little good to offer them any. Most creationists are creationists not, and let me emphasize this, not because they are idiots, but because they will not let themselves learn relatively simple science. It seems to be caused by their fear of reality. Creationists tend to have the a weak sort of faith that is "all or nothing". The problem is that their version of "all" is wrong.

And since the existence of Satan is even more dubious than the existence of a god that part of your post makes no sense. Also I have never opposed "God's word"

OK, Donald, you out there? Let's get this weighing thing going!

We know. You probably do not even need toilet paper at your house.

And I could make a comment that you are so full of it that that is all you have in your house.

dad, if you want to debate rationally I would be more than happy to. If you want to break the rules and attack me personally then this thread will be closed in no time.