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Here’s how the first proteins might have assembled, sparking life

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So like how water turns into ice. Different forms.
No. Not at all. You are describing a phase change of state. States of matter are not part of ToE.

If you don’t understand why you need to have a greater understanding of the phases of matter before going any further.

The various states of matter are a fascinating topic but it’s not ToE.
 
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These four species are products of microevolution, not macroevolution.

As I understand it, the theory of evolution states that all change happens via speciation, and that every organism is the same species as its parents and offspring.

Given that, what's an example of macroevolution that happens within those constraints?
 
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Are you unable to find any examples where scientists, not the media, have inflated the importance of their research?
I can think of a few, but the rest of us despise those people. (There is one in this space, but he isn't even an actual researcher on abiogenesis, just another creature of the DI.)
 
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Not the issue at hand.
Not sure what the point of that was. It seemed like some sort of weird hand wringing about the ethics of escaped artificial life.
DI drivel.
An actual OOL researcher (Lee Cronin) but unfortunately interviewed poorly by a podcaster who'd prefer to pontificate from his own lack of knowledge.
 
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As I understand it, the theory of evolution states that all change happens via speciation, and that every organism is the same species as its parents and offspring.

Given that, what's an example of macroevolution that happens within those constraints?

Macroevolution would be one kind (genus) giving birth to another kind (genus).

Or, more specifically, one population of genus producing another population of genus.

For instance, a population of Eohippus eventually giving rise to a population of Equus.
 
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Not the issue at hand.

Not sure what the point of that was. It seemed like some sort of weird hand wringing about the ethics of escaped artificial life.

DI drivel.

An actual OOL researcher (Lee Cronin) but unfortunately interviewed poorly by a podcaster who'd prefer to pontificate from his own lack of knowledge.
I just love how you pooh pooh everyone and everything you don't agree with. These videos again are for the less fortunate who feel they don't always trust the long winded responses of many scientists when they claim some breakthrough has been made in a particular field of science when in actuality that wasn't the case.
 
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I just love how you pooh pooh everyone and everything you don't agree with. These videos again are for the less fortunate who feel they don't always trust the long winded responses of many scientists when they claim some breakthrough has been made in a particular field of science when in actuality that wasn't the case.
You posted *one* video. Half of it was some nitwit (Lex Fridman) propounding on his own ignorance.
 
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I just love how you pooh pooh everyone and everything you don't agree with. These videos again are for the less fortunate who feel they don't always trust the long winded responses of many scientists when they claim some breakthrough has been made in a particular field of science when in actuality that wasn't the case.
And you continue, rather rudely, to refuse to provide an instance - with proper citations - where this is the case. May I expect such discourtesy and avoidance to continue?
 
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And you continue, rather rudely, to refuse to provide an instance - with proper citations - where this is the case. May I expect such discourtesy and avoidance to continue?
You bet :oldthumbsup:.

 
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Not the issue at hand.

Not sure what the point of that was. It seemed like some sort of weird hand wringing about the ethics of escaped artificial life.

DI drivel.

An actual OOL researcher (Lee Cronin) but unfortunately interviewed poorly by a podcaster who'd prefer to pontificate from his own lack of knowledge.
I really enjoy reading your comebacks. They are inspirational.
 
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Apologies to @Ophiolite for interrupting, but what exactly is the problem with that article? Is it what I talked about earlier with you, where it's basically comes down to how scientists reach conclusions you don't like?
 
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I'm not sure what your point is. The newly generated species reproduce on their own and can't reproduce with their parent species. If that's not a new species, what do you think is a new species?

If you're actually denying that new species can arise, you're really out on your own island. IIRC even YEC organizations don't deny it (it's how two members of a "cat kind" can produce all the current species of cats after the flood).
My point is I don't see how selected breeding in a lab among similar species proves how humans came from mushrooms.
 
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My point is I don't see how selected breeding in a lab among similar species proves how humans came from mushrooms.
That would be very silly. Mammals don't derive from fungi.
 
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My point is I don't see how selected breeding in a lab among similar species proves how humans came from mushrooms.
I don't either but I've never seen anyone make that argument.
 
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I don't either but I've never seen anyone make that argument.

What's interesting is that evolutionists can [allegedly] trace our lineage back millions of years to apes out of Africa, yet can't find us as offsprings of Shem, Ham, or Japheth.
 
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My point is I don't see how selected breeding in a lab among similar species proves how humans came from mushrooms.
It might be easy to see
if it's the right mushrooms being used at the time of studying it all.... no restrictions on right or wrong, true or false, fact or fairy tale. The (so-called) "proof" is in the hallucinations of the beholder(s).
 
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And you continue, rather rudely, to refuse to provide an instance - with proper citations - where this is the case.
To me that's not something rude, just observations of possible truth without couching it in some way to make it less painful for the deluded. or to say another way - straight up honesty ! Blunt Honesty.
 
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