Does learning about evolution make you uncomfortable?

[Akita Suggagaki]

I let a challenge here for the evolutionist to 'think deeply and logically' if you can...

You can't get much more condescending and uncharitable than that. I just wanted to chime in and say, since this COVID distancing I have taken more walks and pnserved nature. As of I just discovered botany. I haven't studies it since 1974. The classification system now is entirely evolution based (APG IV I think it is called). It simply follows the DNA evidence.

If you base your science on Genesis, it is not science at all. The main point is that either way there is plenty of room of appreciation of creation as well as divine origination.

 

[AV1611VET]

If you base your science on Genesis, it is not science at all.

So true!

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You can't get much more condescending and uncharitable than that. I just wanted to chime in and say, since this COVID distancing I have taken more walks and pnserved nature. As of I just discovered botany. I haven't studies it since 1974. The classification system now is entirely evolution based (APG IV I think it is called). It simply follows the DNA evidence.

If you base your science on Genesis, it is not science at all. The main point is that either way there is plenty of room of appreciation of creation as well as divine origination.

The Second Law of Thermodynamics, and the "law of probability", rules out the ToE, which leaves the special creation of Genesis as the only explanation.

 

[Speedwell]

The Second Law of Thermodynamics, and the "law of probability", rules out the ToE, which leaves the special creation of Genesis as the only explanation.

Let's see your math.

 

[driewerf]

The Second Law of Thermodynamics, and the "law of probability", rules out the ToE, which leaves the special creation of Genesis as the only explanation.

Let's see your math.

And let's see your thermodynamics.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

And let's see your thermodynamics.

Entropy.

 

[Shemjaza]

The Second Law of Thermodynamics, and the "law of probability", rules out the ToE, which leaves the special creation of Genesis as the only explanation.

"Temperature tends to equalise" THEREFORE "Life can't evolve"
That's silly.

Also, I suspect you just made up the "law of probability" or copied it from someone who did.
Is this the very false "Anything that is less likely then 1 to 10 to the 50 is officially impossible" story?

 

[Speedwell]

Entropy.

Yes, the total entropy of a closed system tends to increase, but the 2nd law of thermodynamics does not rule out local decreases--and the Earth is not a closed system in any case.

 

[keith99]

The Second Law of Thermodynamics, and the "law of probability", rules out the ToE, which leaves the special creation of Genesis as the only explanation.

Uh, no. The way you are trying to twist teh second law would also rule out life or even formation of crystals.

 

[driewerf]

Entropy.

Dear OldWiseGuy,
please find behind the link down this post a 344 pages textbook about thermodynamics.
So from a 344 page textbook your knowledge is limited to one single word, 'Entropy". We don't get any explanation about what it means or why it rules out evolution. Just a word, a sound bite. As you will realize, textbooks of 344 contain more than one word. Let aloe equations graphs, schemes etc.

So the extend of your knowledge of thermodynamics is quite limited, compared to what is to be known.

Allow me not to be impressed.

https://soaneemrana.org/onewebmedia/THE PRINCIPLES OF THERMODYNAMICS BY N.D HARI DASS.pdf

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Yes, the total entropy of a closed system tends to increase, but the 2nd law of thermodynamics does not rule out local decreases--and the Earth is not a closed system in any case.

Given it's declining condition it seems to be.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Uh, no. The way you are trying to twist teh second law would also rule out life or even formation of crystals.

The creation is descending into disorder. It is evolution that is contrary to the 2nd law.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

The creation is descending into disorder. It is evolution that is contrary to the 2nd law.

To the contrary, evolution is an excellent example of the 2nd law in operation - the massive free energy gradient of the low entropy sun is the driver that allows local reversals of entropy increase such as complex life - much as the energy of the large flow of water down through a water wheel is the driver that allows that wheel to pump smaller amounts of water up to where it is needed; in both cases, the result is a greater increase in overall entropy than would have occurred without the local reductions in entropy.

 

[loveofourlord]

The concept of evolution confuses me often. I’m curious to hear the evolutionist response to a few questions.

- why did reptiles (like snakes) and amphibious creatures (alligators), who used to be enormous, become so small? Is it because their prey is smaller?

- If humans descended from apes, why haven’t all apes evolved?

- some animals seem to have no functional differences, so why did certain birds, who live in the same environment (like say, blue jays and cardinals) evolve into different colors and shapes?

That’s only a few questions I have.

Aninals adapt to their enviorment, bigger bodies means more food to consume and such, if food is less available or for other reasons they might shrink.

As mentioned sexual selection is a good part of birds, but also maybe they were more distant from each other but came closer for one reason or another,

 

[loveofourlord]

What I want to know is that if we evolved from monkeys then why isn't it still happening? The only thing that makes me uncomfortable is they teach this ridiculous nonsense in schools but yet if children wish to pray or mention the name of Jesus it's forbidden.

if I descended from europeans why are there still europeans?

Same silly question, just because some monkeys went on to evolve into apes and humand doesn't mean all would.

 

[loveofourlord]

So then they suddenly just stopped? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. :/

what stopped? Thats like refusing to accept your ancestors came from europe because there are still europeans, just as one type of bird changes into another, but not all of the first bird do so, same with monkeys and apes.

Or to use it in creationist terms, if wolves evolved from dog kind, why arn't all dogs wolves?

 

[April_Rose]

Or to use it in creationist terms, if wolves evolved from dog kind, why arn't all dogs wolves?

That's different that's due to breeding.

 

[loveofourlord]

Yes, it shouldn't be forced I agree with that part, but it shouldn't be against the law to practice it either. And I'm not saying there is a conflict (at least with most of it) but most people either follow religion or follow science.

only way that it's against the law to 'practice' Christianity is when it conflicts with the first amendment, and teaching any form of Christianity or other religion in school would be the goverment endorsing religion.

 

[loveofourlord]

only way that it's against the law to 'practice' Christianity is when it conflicts with the first amendment, and teaching any form of Christianity or other religion in school would be the goverment endorsing religion.

No I'm talking about the dog kind that creationists think became wolves, foxes, coyotes, wild dogs, domestic dogs and such. Thats not breds, thats entire different species.

 

[April_Rose]

No I'm talking about the dog kind that creationists think became wolves, foxes, coyotes, wild dogs, domestic dogs and such. Thats not breds, thats entire different species.

Wolves were bred to be dogs though.