Do you trust God or Man when it comes to the creation?

[Jipsah]

Cute story... but Genesis is a first hand eye witness account.

Eye witnesses of the Creation? Who were they, exactly? They don't seem to have been mentioned in Genesis.

So no, thry weren't eye-witnesses. They were writing teaching stories, and doing quite a good job with it.

Just as your account was. If pressed you could provide greater detail... so could God if He was pressed. But we have what we have.

And what we have is a teaching story, not technical, not scientific. not factual. But they're altogether true. Trying to make them a matter of scientific fact is nonsensical.

 

[dwb001]

Eye witnesses of the Creation. Who were they, exactly? They don't seemto have been mentioned in Genesis.

God.

So no, thry weren't eye-witnesses/ They were writing teaching sroties, and doing quite a good job with it.

God was there.

And what we have is a teaching story, not technical, not scientific. not factual. But they're altogether true. Trying to make them a matter of scientific fact is nonsensical.

So your view is that your holy book starts with a non factual lie?
Bold move.
If it is nonsensical than you are saying that God is nonsensical.

 

[Jipsah]

God.

And God was there and sat down at His desk and wrote Genesis. Right.

So your view is that your holy book starts with a non factual lie?

Was my chicken story non factual? Yep. If I had given them the technical facts they'd have not understood a word. (Pins going high and low, interrupts being issued and serviced, interupts that were never going to be serviced, program instructions that caused the problem, and the new code that corrected it.) Stuff they wouldn't have understood and didn't care about. Was my story ait a lie? Nope, it conveyed precisely what I was trying to convey to my bosses, and they understood it completely. Everybody had the information they needed. Job done.

That's what Genesis is about - Broad symbolic language that conveys that God created the Universe, all of it. To try and make it a source of technical information is nonsense, there is none there, nor should any be expected.

Bold move.

Reasonable move. You address your audience. My fellow geeks got "serial link chucked an EOF and I coudn't handle it. When I get one now I reinitialize the link. Shoulda done that in the first place." That was all they needed. End users got "Unexpcected system anomaly,software changed to handle it." All factual, but onveying no real info other than "problem fixed". You give your audience what they need from their perspective. That's what Genesis does.

If it is nonsensical than you are saying that God is nonsensical.

With all due respect, that's a stupid question. Genesis is a teaching story, designed to convey information to its target audience it terms they could understand. That's what smart people do. It is not intended to convey technical information, at all. It explains the Creation of the Universe in broad symbolic terms. Expecting it to convey technical information is what's nonsensical. Taking the Seven Days of Creation as technical fact is as ridiculous as looking for the piles of corn in my chicken story. Thre was no corn, there was no chicken. But the guys on White Shirt Row understood it completely, and nary a one of them ever asked me where the chcken lived.

 

[dwb001]

And God was there and sat down at His desk and wrote Genesis. Right.

God talked with Adam did He not?
What would you ask God if you were the first person created?
'How did all this get here' sounds like a top of the list question.

Was my chicken story non factual? Yep. If I had given them the technical facts they'd have not understood a word. (Pins going high and low, interrupts being issued and serviced, interupts that were never going to be serviced, program instructions that causaed the problem, and the new code that corrected it. Stuff they wouldn't have understood and didn't care about. Was my story ait a lie? Nope, it conveyed precisely what I was trying to convey to my bosses, and they understood it completely. Everybody had the information they needed. Job done.

That's what Genesis is about - Broad symbolic language that conveys that God created the Universe, all of it. To try and make it a source of technical information is nonsense, there is none there, nor should any be expected.

Reasonable move. You address your audience. My fellow geeks got "serial link chucked an EOF and I coudn't handle it. When I get one now I reinitialize the link. Shoulda done that in the first place." That was all they needed. End users got "Unexpcected system anomaly,software changed to handle it." All factual, but onveying no real info other than "problem fixed". You give your audience what they need from their perspective. That's what Genesis does.

With all due respect, that's a stupid question. Genesis is a teaching story, designed to convey information to its target audience it terms they could understand. That's what smart people do. It is not intended to convey technical information, at all. It explains the Creation of the Universe in broad symbolic terms. Expecting it to convey technical information is what's nonsensical. Taking the Seven Days of Creation as technical fact is as ridiculous as looking for the piles of corn in my chicken story. Thre was no corn, there was no chicken. But the guys on White Shirt Row understood it completely, and nary a one of them ever asked me where the chcken lived.

Please check your spelling before posting.
It is a simple thing to do and makes the conversion easier to follow.

You used a metaphor and God didn't... Next.

 

[Jipsah]

God talked with Adam did He not?

Yep. But if He ever sat Adam down and told all the microscopic details of how the universe works there's no recod of it. Plus I seriously doubt that Adam could write.

What would you ask God if you were the first person created?
'How did all this get here' sounds like a top of the list question.

So let's see, if some non-engineer noob in our company had asked how our first telephone product came to be, he or she'd have had to either endure endless techno-babble, or be given the Teaching Story version. "Well, on Day 1, Duncan was looking for new markets for us to get into, and found this digital sound board that we could use to do store-and=forward apps on. So Duncan got the board, On Day 2 he and Tall Mike wrote some proof of concept stuff to see if was going to work. It did, so Jipsah wrote the first ATA app. But his ATA app failed because the event queueing was unreliable. On Day 3, Tall Mike had to rewrite the event handling. The Jipsah tried it again.and it worked, and there was great rejoicing. But alas, on Day 4 they found there was no way to multitask, and even the Canadians weren't able to fix it. But on Day 5 Tall Mike and Jipsah brought forth a finite state machine that made multitaking unnecessary. And as Day Six was Saturday.Tall Mike worked on his video games. Jipsah went to his daughters' recitals. and the front office boys did whatever it is front office boys do on weekends.

Please check your spelling before posting.

I make no promises along those lines. I'm the world's worst typist and my vision ain't what it once was.

You used a metaphor and God didn't... Next.

Sez you. I say the Six Days are precisely metaphorical, and that, as Scripture repeatedly points out, God doesn't reckon time as we do. Those Six Days might have been 6 seconds or 6 zillion years. You're calling for precision there simply because that's what you believe. What we're being given there is the order of creation. There's no reason that those "days" had any chronological relationship to a solar day.

 

[dwb001]

Yep. But if He ever sat Adam down and told all the microscopic details of how the universe works there's no recod of it. Plus I seriously doubt that Adam could write.

If God had told Adam how everything works... it would be in Genesis.
So you suppose Adam could not write.
So where is your proof for that?

So let's see, if some non-engineer noob in our company had asked how our first telephone product came to be, he or she'd have had to either endure endless techno-babble, or be given the Teaching Story version. "Well, on Day 1, Duncan was looking for new markets for us to get into, and found this digital sound board that we could to store-and=forward apps on. So Duncan got the board, On Day 2 he and Tall Mike wrote some proof of concept stuff to see if was going to work. It did, so Jipsah wrote the first ATA app. But his ATA app failed because the event queueing was unreliable. On Day 3, Tall Mike had to rewrite the event handling. The Jipsah tried it again.and it worked, and there was great rejoicing. But alas, on Day 4 they found there was no way to multitask, and even the Canadians weren't able to fix it. But on Day 5 Tall Mike and Jipsah brought forth a finite state machine that made multitaking unnecessary. And as Day Six was Saturday.Tall Mike worked on his video games. Jipsah went to his daughters' recitals. and the front office boys did whatever it is front office boys do on weekends.

I make no promises along those lines. I'm the world's worst typist and my vision ain't what it once was.

Sez you. I say the Six Days are precisely metaphorical, and that, as Scripture repeatedly points out, God doesn't reckon time as we do. Those Six Days might have been 6 seconds or 6 zillion years. You're calling for precision there simply because that's what you believe. What we're being given there is the order of creation. There's no reason that those "days" had any chronological relationship to a solar day.

Just use the website to correct your typing.
Until you do it is not worth my time trying to figure out what you are saying
If there is no reason that days are not connected a solar day... then there is less than no reason to believe they aren't.
At the base minimum we have the description of days, evening and mornings.
So there is more reason to believe in a 6 24hr day creation then not.

 

[Diamond72]

Your misunderstanding of God's creation,

Science teaches us a LOT about God's creation. God is a lot more amazing and awesome than people think. We know how exact and precise the universe is. God has impressed it upon me many times that He is a God of exact and precise Justice.

People who do not study Science just think God puffed everything into existed and somehow created something out of nothing. People who study Science understand how God does what He does every step of the way. They understand how energy took on a physical form and How God created us.

My son is a computer engineer. He worked hard to get where he is at. He has no sympathy for people who were playing around in High School and not putting some effort into doing their work. He use to joke about people ending up in dead end jobs like McDonalds. Now he realizes that the reality is even worse.

If people do not want to study Science and read their Biology book, then they are the losers. They are missing out on a deeper understanding of what the Bible has to offer.

 

[Diamond72]

Many years ago I was working on a software package where two machines needed to talk to each other

My son has a program that takes computer or machine language and translates it into English, so the Government can look to see what ingredients goes into food and drugs.

π practically is a growable programming language, a language design tool, a hyper-language and a philosophy of how to design software. π technically is a fully reflective dynamically both semantically and syntactically extensible programming language (thus a macro language, as well).

 

[anetazo]

I 100 percent agree with you that God is the creator, genesis chapter 1.
I don't believe in mans philosophy or evolution or traditions
Second epistle John verse 9 and 10
Those who don't abide in doctrine of Christ, who bring different doctrine, receive hin not into your house.
Any so called Christian who abide in the truth, have nothing to do with that person.
Titus chapter 3 tells us of how to treat Heretics. Warn them once. If they reject sound doctrine. Have nothing to do with the person.

 

[anetazo]

I miss typed. Have nothing to do with the person who abides not in the truth, second epistle John. I type fast.

 

[d taylor]

Science teaches us a LOT about God's creation. God is a lot more amazing and awesome than people think. We know how exact and precise the universe is. God has impressed it upon me many times that He is a God of exact and precise Justice.

People who do not study Science just think God puffed everything into existed and somehow created something out of nothing. People who study Science understand how God does what He does every step of the way. They understand how energy took on a physical form and How God created us.

My son is a computer engineer. He worked hard to get where he is at. He has no sympathy for people who were playing around in High School and not putting some effort into doing their work. He use to joke about people ending up in dead end jobs like McDonalds. Now he realizes that the reality is even worse.

If people do not want to study Science and read their Biology book, then they are the losers. They are missing out on a deeper understanding of what the Bible has to offer.

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Science may be a good way to make a living and in many ways has improved life.

But when it come to God's creation, science offers only lies. I have not found one area of science that touches on God's creation that is truthful.

 

[d taylor]

I miss typed. Have nothing to do with the person who abides not in the truth, second epistle John. I type fast.

You know you can edit your post to correct mistakes.

 

[Diamond72]

Science may be a good way to make a living and in many ways has improved life.

But when it come to God's creation, science offers only lies.

"Well, as the old saying goes, 'White man speak with forked tongue'! But let's remember, stereotypes don't paint the full picture, and we should always strive for understanding and good humor!"

 

[Diamond72]

You know you can edit your post to correct mistakes.

Chatbot does a much better job than an editor. Even you can ask for a friendlier, more light-hearted version:

 

[Diamond72]

I don't believe in mans philosophy or evolution or traditions

For me I look at evolution and think how amazing God must be. The Bible and Science both talk about how we all share a common ancestor.

"LUCA, short for Last Universal Common Ancestor, was the very first living organism on Earth, like the great-great-great-great-grandparent of all life. It lived billions of years ago and was probably a tiny, basic cell. Every living thing we know today, from trees to dinosaurs to humans, can trace its family tree back to LUCA. LUCA is like the ancestor of all life on our planet!"

 

[d taylor]

Chatbot does a much better job than an editor. Even you can ask for a friendlier, more light-hearted version:

I have no idea what you are writing about.

I was addressing the person's (anetazo) post who made a mistake in a post he made. But instead of editing his post and correcting his mistake, he posted another post with the correct statement he was trying to write.

The post were #129, #130

 

[The Hour IS AT HAND]

For me I look at evolution and think how amazing God must be. The Bible and Science both talk about how we all share a common ancestor.

"LUCA, short for Last Universal Common Ancestor, was the very first living organism on Earth, like the great-great-great-great-grandparent of all life. It lived billions of years ago and was probably a tiny, basic cell. Every living thing we know today, from trees to dinosaurs to humans, can trace its family tree back to LUCA. LUCA is like the ancestor of all life on our planet!"

I do think it is important to distinguish from macro and micro evolution.

Obviously humans have evolved to some extent as God repopulated the earth after the flood with just Noah and his family. From those eight people we now have a variety of different ethnicities.

Interesting the Greek word for nation is ethnos, G1484

Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

 

[Diamond72]

I do think it is important to distinguish from macro and micro evolution.

You can pick and choose if you want. Everyone seems to believe in evolution to some degree. Dr Dino for example, uses evolution as an explanation for how God repopulated the earth after Noah's flood.

Just because God gives Science the job of collecting evidence, that does not mean they have the right to interpret or explain that evidence.

Ecclesiastes 2:26 To the person who pleases him, God gives wisdom, knowledge and happiness, but to the sinner he gives the task of gathering and storing up wealth to hand it over to the one who pleases God. This too is meaningless, a chasing after the wind.

In the context of science, "wealth" refers to the rich and extensive body of evidence, knowledge, and understanding that has been accumulated through systematic inquiry and empirical research. This wealth of scientific information forms the foundation for further exploration, discovery, and the advancement of human knowledge and technology.

 

[Diamond72]

From those eight people we now have a variety of different ethnicities.

If everyone is descended from Abraham then why are we told that we are adopted into the family.

Romans 11:17 Now if some branches have been broken off, and you, a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others to share in the nourishment of the olive root, 18 do not boast over those branches. If you do, remember this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.…

 

[Diamond72]

I have no idea what you are writing about.

I was just saying I find ChatGPT to be very helpful when doing research and writting posts.