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Sometimes it is difficult for people to understand that when NT writers talk about Scripture they are, in reality, speaking about the OT.
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Except in the rare cases they actually specify the writings of the Apostles.Sometimes it is difficult for people to understand that when NT writers talk about Scripture they are, in reality, speaking about the OT.
Very.Which is rare....
Last time I'll ask and address you regarding this topic:
Where are the 3 nights between Friday afternoon and Sunday morning? Friday night and Saturday night are 2 nights, not 3...
He WAS raised up on the 3rd day. He spent 3 days and nights in the grave JUST LIKE HE SAID HE WOULD.
He could not have been buried on Friday before sunset & then raised before sunrise on Sunday because that is NOT 3 days and 3 nights
Enough Witnesses from Scripture have been posted to show that indeed: YAHUSHA was buried on a Wednesday arose toward the end of Shabbat
Those that have eyes to see will see
Shalam
So, first thing, the triumphal entry + at least 2 days = the first day of the feast of unleavened bread. From Matthew's chronology, we see at least 3 days, because it is the "next morning" before Jesus tells His disciples that it is "2 more days" till the passover.
Following that, Judas agrees to betray Jesus, and then we have Jesus celebrating the Passover meal on the "first day of the feast of unleavened bread." He was arrested that very night, and brought before Pilate the next day, early in the morning. He is then questioned by Pilate, though we are told that the Pharisees did not go into the Praetorium "lest they should be defiled," because they "wanted to eat the Passover."
It is this same day, that is, the second day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, that Jesus is crucified. It is also the day of Preparation, and the day before the Sabbath. This obviously cannot be referring to the 1st or the 7th day of the feast, because Jesus is brought to Pilate on the morning of the second day and crucified on the same day.
As has been noted by many biblical scholars, three days and three nights counts also half or partial days.
Except that Christ very publicly died at the hands of the Romans who were experts at making sure people were dead. The fact of His death was never in question.Not with the legal qualification of death. At a day and a quarter the resurrection would be considered a ruse.
Sorry so late in replying, it was a busy weekend
Perfectly correct. The 'last supper' took place on Tuesday evening... The Garden of Gethsemane was late in that evening... Remember, Hebrews would reckon that 'the Day of Preparation' - From Tuesday evening until Wednesday 'between the evenings' when the slaughter of the lambs and the cooking of the meat began.
The Feast of Unleavened Bread spans 7 days. When Pilate came before them and offered to release Jesus to them, as was customary during the feast, this shows that this was during the days of the feast of Unleavened Bread.Your statement presents the contradiction - If they had indeed already eaten the Passover meal, why then would the Pharisees be defiled? They too would have already eaten the Passover by that point... The Passover is eaten at full dark the evening after the Preparation Day).
No, it was Tuesday even just before sundown... The feast/fast of the firstborn, when commonly, all leavened bread in the household is eaten (before it must be burned). Yeshua broke artos -Common bread -. and reclined at his meat (passover was eaten hurriedly, standing [staff in hand], with sandals and coat on, in the expectation of leaving Egypt). There Judas betrayed Him, that night was the Garden of Gethsemane, and his trial... the following morning (Still the day of Preparation) he began his affliction.
Exo 12:11 `And thus ye do eat it: your loins girded, your sandals on your feet, and your staff in your hand, and ye have eaten it in haste; it is Jehovah's passover [...]
Furthermore, John's account specifically declares the last supper (and Judas' betrayal) was before Passover, and that after Yeshua's death, they hurried to put him to rest so they could participate in the feast... How do you reconcile your interpretation with John?
Except that Christ very publicly died at the hands of the Romans who were experts at making sure people were dead. The fact of His death was never in question.
Rising in three days ensured His body did not see corruption.
No. As I said, the fact that Jesus said 2 more days till Passover shows it was at least 3 days.
The Feast of Unleavened Bread spans 7 days. When Pilate came before them and offered to release Jesus to them, as was customary during the feast, this shows that this was during the days of the feast of Unleavened Bread.
You again quote the instructions for the first passover as though they were continual instructions for the passovers that followed.
Theologians have debated for at least the last century about the differences in John's passion chronology and that of the other gospel writers. However, even these theological scholars agree that John's chronology has Jesus crucified on Friday and rising on Sunday.
This chronology also fits with the saying that Jesus rose on the "third day."
It is only recently that a school of thought has diverged and claimed that John's passion chronology indicates a different crucifixion day (Wednesday) as well as a different resurrection day (Saturday).
This "school of thought" thoroughly ignores that every gospel writer has Jesus crucified on the day before the Sabbath [...]
and that the gospel of Mark even records that Jesus "Rose early on the first day of the week," and "appeared first to Mary Magdalene."
I personally don't have a lot of time or thought to focus on this discussion, nor have I extensively studied the various methods that scholars have used to harmonize John's account with the synoptic gospels. If we believe that John's gospel contradicts the others, then we must believe that either John or the three other gospel writers were wrong about the chronology (or were bending facts to fit their point). In that, we must remember that Matthew was also an apostle, that Mark had (so far as we can tell) the eyewitness testimony of Peter to rely on, and that Luke took relied on several eyewitness accounts.
. . . Passover IS a High Sabbath. . . .
Passover is mentioned 48 times in the OT but Passover is never called a Sabbath and certainly not a High Sabbath.
Monday... It was 3 days... We are in agreement. Count Monday, count Tuesday, the third day begins Tuesday evening at sundown. Passover IS that day, beginning between the evenings.
The feast, the High Holy Day, is the Passover meal - otherwise the 'feast' is unremarkable except in that unleavened bread is used. They wanted to keep the Passover feast. That's the whole point.
The only change indicated was at the time the Temple came into existence - Thereafter the killing was done at the Temple. That is the only change from the original instruction. The doorposts were still coated (in the sign of the cross), the cooking still happened at the residence...
Christian scholars have shown a particular ignorance of the actual Hebrew Holy Days, and have a bone to pick, defending their tradition.
So does a resurrection exactly in the gloaming - The dusk belongs to both days. In fact, the only way it works mathematically, defending 3 days, 3 days and 3 nights, 3 days legally dead, raised on the 3rd day, raised after 3 days, IS the resurrection exactly in the dusk - precisely as the High Priest exited his chamber to mark the sheaves...
The only way for all the Gospels to agree is to follow the more granular account of John.
Passover IS a High Sabbath.
A resurrection in the gloaming Saturday evening does this no damage. In fact, 'rising early' would point more surely to Saturday evening, not Sunday morning... It is our gentile sensibility that day begins in the morning that is discordant... In fact, the day is half gone by morning.
I would submit that the gospel accounts confirm John. I would submit also that the Prophecy demands it. There is no way you could possibly convince me that the events didn't follow YHWH's appointed time precisely. That appointment requires the perfect Lamb to be sacrificed at a precise moment - late in the afternoon on the Day of Preparation. That anyone would claim that THE LAMB - The one prophesied for twenty-five hundred years - was done a full day late is simply unconscionable.
He was certainly presented to the nation on Palm Sunday.
He was certainly inspected for his purity for four days.
He was certainly sacrificed precisely at the time required, in the afternoon of that fourth day.
and he certainly rose precisely in the timing of the marking of the sheaves.
He was simultaneously performing as High Priest and the Lamb.
That is what the Prophecy was *for*
That is what the Holy Day, the Appointed time was *for*
It is Christian hubris and blind tradition that require otherwise. And that, I think, is why he left us but one sign that he was Messiah - Without 3 days and 3 nights, one cannot see the precise fulfillment. Without 3 days and 3 nights, one doesn't pay attention to the detail, and one ignores YHWH's incredibly prophetic Moedim.
As if one ignores what Passover is for, one will also fully disregard the rest of the moedim - every one of which are all and only about Messiah, and his redemptive work for the Sons of Adam.
The day of Passover is not a high sabbath.
You have posted a lot of unsupported opinion. Your approach doesn't reconcile the gospel accounts - it takes what you perceive as John's gospel chronology and set your perception of that chronology up as the standard by which all three other gospels must be interpreted. But even John says that Jesus was crucified on the day before the Sabbath, that is, Friday, and resurrected on the first day of the week, that is, Sunday. It's going to take a little more than you saying "nuh-huh" to the Gospels based on a single verse that every serious scholar of the Jewish reckoning of the time agrees will fit with the Friday crucifixion and Sunday morning resurrection.Monday... It was 3 days... We are in agreement. Count Monday, count Tuesday, the third day begins Tuesday evening at sundown. Passover IS that day, beginning between the evenings.
The feast, the High Holy Day, is the Passover meal - otherwise the 'feast' is unremarkable except in that unleavened bread is used. They wanted to keep the Passover feast. That's the whole point.
The only change indicated was at the time the Temple came into existence - Thereafter the killing was done at the Temple. That is the only change from the original instruction. The doorposts were still coated (in the sign of the cross), the cooking still happened at the residence...
Christian scholars have shown a particular ignorance of the actual Hebrew Holy Days, and have a bone to pick, defending their tradition.
So does a resurrection exactly in the gloaming - The dusk belongs to both days. In fact, the only way it works mathematically, defending 3 days, 3 days and 3 nights, 3 days legally dead, raised on the 3rd day, raised after 3 days, IS the resurrection exactly in the dusk - precisely as the High Priest exited his chamber to mark the sheaves...
The only way for all the Gospels to agree is to follow the more granular account of John.
Passover IS a High Sabbath.
A resurrection in the gloaming Saturday evening does this no damage. In fact, 'rising early' would point more surely to Saturday evening, not Sunday morning... It is our gentile sensibility that day begins in the morning that is discordant... In fact, the day is half gone by morning.
I would submit that the gospel accounts confirm John. I would submit also that the Prophecy demands it. There is no way you could possibly convince me that the events didn't follow YHWH's appointed time precisely. That appointment requires the perfect Lamb to be sacrificed at a precise moment - late in the afternoon on the Day of Preparation. That anyone would claim that THE LAMB - The one prophesied for twenty-five hundred years - was done a full day late is simply unconscionable.
He was certainly presented to the nation on Palm Sunday.
He was certainly inspected for his purity for four days.
He was certainly sacrificed precisely at the time required, in the afternoon of that fourth day.
and he certainly rose precisely in the timing of the marking of the sheaves.
He was simultaneously performing as High Priest and the Lamb.
That is what the Prophecy was *for*
That is what the Holy Day, the Appointed time was *for*
It is Christian hubris and blind tradition that require otherwise. And that, I think, is why he left us but one sign that he was Messiah - Without 3 days and 3 nights, one cannot see the precise fulfillment. Without 3 days and 3 nights, one doesn't pay attention to the detail, and one ignores YHWH's incredibly prophetic Moedim.
As if one ignores what Passover is for, one will also fully disregard the rest of the moedim - every one of which are all and only about Messiah, and his redemptive work for the Sons of Adam.
Leviticus 23 lists the Moedim - the Sabbath Day, and the High Sabbaths...
As to the rest, you'll have to explain how 3 days and 3 nights can occur between Friday evening and Sunday morning, and further explain more than 4 days for the inspection of the Lamb between Palm Sunday and Passover - Passover necessarily the evening of the fourth day.
If Palm Sunday is the day of the arrival of the lamb (which it is), then Passover cannot be at any time except Wednesday evening. Period.
The day of Passover is not a high sabbath.
“The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.”
John 19:31 KJV
He was killed Passover afternoon(Wednesday), and that High Sabbath(1st day of unleavened bread) began at sunset later that night. which is why they took him down
The High Sabbaths are the 1st & 7th days of Unleavened Bread, Pentecost, Feast of Trumpets, Day of Atonement, and the 1st & 8th Days of the Feast of Tabernacles
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Wrong! It is never stated in the OT that 1st and 7th days of Unleavened Bread are Sabbaths and certainly not High Sabbaths.
Have you figured out yet how Friday afternoon to Sunday morning is 3 days and 3 nights?
Where is the 3rd night?
Friday night
Saturday night...