Do you think Easter is Christian?

[redleghunter]

Am I stopping you from doing Easter or Pascha?
Or do you just simply hate the Word of God that's being presented?
"get off our backs"? Was I even ever on your back to begin with?
I thought this was a forum and I was simply replying to blogs, just as others also reply to my blogs.
Maybe you should be the one going to a baseball game and not bother coming to this Christian Forum.
Get it? "Christian Forum"?
Were you expecting this forum to talk about worldly things that does not pertain to Christianity?
Seriously?

That had to be the most impolite post to a man who pours out his heart to Christ.

Perhaps read the forum rules on proper conduct here and not make these conversations personal.

 

[nomadictheist]

Goodness! Everyone of your reply is based on just assertions.




Revelations 22:18,19 - "For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

That is, if you cannot show me from the Holy Bible explicitly where it says that Easter or Pascal is ordained of by God Almighty, you are then deemed to have added on to the word of God. Isn't that what Revelation 22:18,19 means?

Good enough for you?

Now again, show me where your Easter and Pascal is from the Holy Bible?

Deemed by whom to have added to the word of God?

You might have a case for what you are saying if he were saying that you "must celebrate Easter/Pascha if you are a Christian," but he's not. On the other hand, if you want to take a hard line on this, saying that you "must not celebrate Easter/Pascha if you are a Christian" is adding to what is written.

By the judgment you use, you will be judged, and by the measure you use it will be measured back to you.

 

[roamer_1]

Judging the state of a brother's soul - that is, pronouncing him condemned - is not something that we are to do as Christians.

Yep. It's all about saving the sons of Adam... All of them... That's sometimes hard to remember.

 

[Der Alte]

they are in grave error. No matter how much we try to show them and explain them the scriptures, they are upholding man-made traditions and teachings despite being shown overwhelming evidence IN TORAH & in the gospels that a Friday burial and Sunday morning resurrection is impossible

We have shown them enough. It's up to them to decide whether to align with the Scriptures or the erroneous teachings and traditions of the Christian church

You have it exactly backwards. You have shown us fanciful cogitations by 21st century pseudo scholars but no, zero, none historical evidence. If your so-called teachings are true there should be considerable evidence for it somewhere, sometime between the 1st century and the present one. So please show us some historical evidence instead of just repeating the same arguments over and over.

And where did you get this information from? The Holy Bible?

If Paul and Timothy had more than the OT for scriptures, what did they have? The NT had not been written and assembled. The writers of the NT were living it and writing as they carried out their ministries.

 

[Chris Tan]

If Paul and Timothy had more than the OT for scriptures, what did they have? The NT had not been written and assembled. The writers of the NT were living it and writing as they carried out their ministries.

How about the HOLY SPIRIT?

 

[Chris Tan]

Deemed by whom to have added to the word of God?

You might have a case for what you are saying if he were saying that you "must celebrate Easter/Pascha if you are a Christian," but he's not. On the other hand, if you want to take a hard line on this, saying that you "must not celebrate Easter/Pascha if you are a Christian" is adding to what is written.

By the judgment you use, you will be judged, and by the measure you use it will be measured back to you.

Did I even say to anyone here, "you must not celebrate Easter/Pascha if you are a Christian"? That's your opinion.

I was merely challenging the very celebration of Easter/Pascha, that it's not Christian and that it's not biblical.

 

[Der Alte]

Lol are you serious?

It says "Jonah was in the belly of the whale for 3 days and 3 nights"

Messiah didn't say it was a figure of speech. He said Jonah was in the whale 3 days and 3 nights, and he said he would in the grave 3 days & 3 nights also.

Do you care to take a guess at where the 3rd night is between Friday afternoon and Sunday morning?

Friday night - 1st night
Saturday night - 2nd night

Where's the 3rd night?

The Lord said a number of things which were not literal that He did not identify as figures of speech. For example he called Peter, Satan, Herod a fox and He called James and John, sons of thunder.

 

[civilwarbuff]

How about the HOLY SPIRIT?

Did the Holy Spirit show anyone that celebrating the Resurrection was wrong and must stop? If so, please produce the evidence.

 

[Chris Tan]

That had to be the most impolite post to a man who pours out his heart to Christ.

Perhaps read the forum rules on proper conduct here and not make these conversations personal.

Oh really? Did you happen to read the post I was replying to? Here, read this:

" I have 'be warned' " - huh?

I TREMBLE with trepidation...

OK, Chris Tan -- just DON'T GO on Easter -- go to a baseball game or sumpn

Sheesh. Let the rest of us go to Easter and Pascha - get off our backs.

"warned" -- BAH !!!

Perhaps you yourself, should advise yourself before advising others, or "Perhaps read the forum rules on proper conduct here and not make these conversations personal." Unless you prefer to be one who's practising double standards.

 

[Der Alte]

How about the HOLY SPIRIT?

Where is it written that the Holy Spirit revealed the NT to the disciples before or while it was being written?

 

[Chris Tan]

Did the Holy Spirit show anyone that celebrating the Resurrection was wrong and must stop? If so, please produce the evidence.

By the same token, show me where it says from the Holy Bible, we are to celebrate it, let alone call it Easter/Pascha.

If not, Revelation 22:18,19 stands.

 

[Chris Tan]

Where is it written that the Holy Spirit revealed the NT to the disciples before or while it was being written?

Did you not read the book of Acts? Or do you not believe that the prophets and apostles who wrote the books in the Holy Bible were lead by the Holy Spirit? Then maybe, maybe you doubt what Paul wrote:

"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and isprofitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." (2 Timothy 3:16,17)

You are basically saying that the Holy Bible is insufficient for "doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness", am I right to infer this?

 

[Der Alte]

By the same token, show me where it says from the Holy Bible, we are to celebrate it, let alone call it Easter/Pascha.

If not, Revelation 22:18,19 stands.

Looks like we have a problem here, you want to challenge the memorial of the Lord's resurrection because it is not specifically commanded in scripture but assume with no scriptural evidence that the Holy Spirit revealed NT scripture to the disciples before or while it was being lived and written.

 

[civilwarbuff]

By the same token, show me where it says from the Holy Bible, we are to celebrate it, let alone call it Easter/Pascha.

If not, Revelation 22:18,19 stands.

I am not the one making the claim that we shouldn't celebrate Easter. The Christian Church has celebrated Easter for centuries; if you want us to take your claim seriously, which few here do, you need to put up your evidence to support your claim....evidence not your opinion. Start with this: Why is celebrating the resurrection of Messiah wrong?

 

[Der Alte]

Did you not read the book of Acts? Or do you not believe that the prophets and apostles who wrote the books in the Holy Bible were lead by the Holy Spirit? Then maybe, maybe you doubt what Paul wrote:

"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and isprofitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." (2 Timothy 3:16,17)

Does the Holy Spirit reveal new scripture to you? I do agree with this proof text although you are trying to use it out-of-context. The only "all scripture" that Paul had when he wrote this was the OT. There is no evidence in Paul's writings that he thought everything he wrote was scripture.

You are basically saying that the Holy Bible is insufficient for "doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"

, am I right to infer this?

Wrong! Exactly the opposite. When the NT writers said "scripture" the only scripture they had or could refer others to was the OT.

 

[Wgw]

Goodness! Everyone of your reply is based on just assertions.

"Everything." My reply is not a committee.

Revelations 22:18,19 - "For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

That is, if you cannot show me from the Holy Bible explicitly where it says that Easter or Pascal is ordained of by God Almighty, you are then deemed to have added on to the word of God. Isn't that what Revelation 22:18,19 means?

Good enough for you?

Now again, show me where your Easter and Pascal is from the Holy Bible?

What is good for the goose is good for the gander; therefore, show me where the Holy Bible explicitly ordains you to engage in polemical debates with random chaps on the Internet.

Please know the difference of what is a denomination. Eastern-Orthodox, Roman Catholics, Methodist etc are denominations. Basically divisions of people who claim to be Christians but they rather call themselves names that's never associated with what is taught in the Scriptures. And the Bible speaks against such practices.

"Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” IS CHRIST DIVIDED? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?" (1 Corinthians 1:12,13)

Eastern Orthodox is a label other people apply to us. There is no Eastern Orthodox church per se. Rather, you have the Church of Greece, the Church of Russia, the Church of Bulgaria, of Romania, and so on, and in these lands, being Christian usually means belonging to one of these local churches.

However, on this forum, where we are in the minority, I don't mind using that label. The most semantically accurate label for us however would be the Catholic Church, in that we posess Catholicity and consider ourselves to be the Church referred to in the Nicene Creed, however, this would inevitably lead to confusion with the Roman church and to predictable low accusations of Orthodoxy being some sort of evil Vatican intrigue, which are as demeaninf to the chaps who male them as rhey are to Orthodox and Roman Catholic Christians.

What's wrong if you're a follower of Jesus Christ and just call yourself a Christian? Isn't that where the name Christianity came from? One who follow Christ?

It was in the Patriarchal see of my local Church where the followers of Christ were first called Christians. Bonus points if you can guess where that is (hint: its mentioned in Acts).

Just to side-track a little since you said, "EO's are good folks". So too are many outside of the Christian faith. I know of Buddhist and Muslims who are "good folks". But I have news for you, "good folks" don't go to heaven. Christians do.

Well, Hallelujah then, because I, as many people might complain to you in these parts, am not universally regarded as "good," but I am a Christian!

 

[robycop3]

Easter came about when constantine's missionary/emissaries to some of the Germanic tribes whom he was trying to enlist as allies saw a springtime observance the Germans called "Ostern", complete with egg-laying bunnies and new bonnets for the women. They worked the story of Jesus' resurrection into Ostern & brought it back to Istanbul with them. This observance eventually became "Easter" in English.

While the Greek 'pascha' NOW means either Easter or passover, depending upon the context, it ORIGINALLY meant only 'passover'. Thus, "Easter" in the KJV's Acts 12:4 is a goof, unless one believes JESUS observed Easter!

If a non-Jew wishes to observe passover, he/she must follow the same rules God gave to Israel, as God said when He answered that question when the ancient Israelis asked Him.

 

[Chris Tan]

Looks like we have a problem here, you want to challenge the memorial of the Lord's resurrection because it is not specifically commanded in scripture but assume with no scriptural evidence that the Holy Spirit revealed NT scripture to the disciples before or while it was being lived and written.

"challenge the memorial of the lord's resurrection"? Who's challenging that the Lord Jesus Christ did not resurrect on the third day after He was crucified at Calvary? Was I denying the resurrection of Christ?

What I am challenging is Easter/Pascha which people like you condone to be that from the Holy Bible. For if Easter/Pasca was to be part of the Christian faith, it would have already been long established between the books from Acts and Revelation. And yet, there's none of it even mentioned that we should call the Lord's resurrection a celebration of Easter/Pascha, is there?

You are right to say "we have a problem" but in actual fact, it should be "you have a problem". There's nothing worse than to wedge in man's tradition (from pagans) with what is purely written in the Holy Bible. That's how false idolatry begins. Fact is, what is written in the Holy Bible is fully sufficient for Christians and that's because it came from the Holy Spirit through the prophets and apostles.

"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes,
And prudent in their own sight!" (Isaiah 5:20,21)

Adding to the Word and taking away from the Word is detrimental to one's soul.

"I, the Lord, have spoken it; It shall come to pass, and I will do it;
I will not hold back, Nor will I spare, Nor will I relent;
According to your ways, And according to your deeds, They will judge you,”
Says the Lord God.’" (Ezekiel 24:14)

 

[prodromos]

Easter came about when constantine's missionary/emissaries to some of the Germanic tribes whom he was trying to enlist as allies saw a springtime observance the Germans called "Ostern", complete with egg-laying bunnies and new bonnets for the women. They worked the story of Jesus' resurrection into Ostern & brought it back to Istanbul with them. This observance eventually became "Easter" in English.

While the Greek 'pascha' NOW means either Easter or passover, depending upon the context, it ORIGINALLY meant only 'passover'. Thus, "Easter" in the KJV's Acts 12:4 is a goof, unless one believes JESUS observed Easter!

If a non-Jew wishes to observe passover, he/she must follow the same rules God gave to Israel, as God said when He answered that question when the ancient Israelis asked Him.

What brilliant satire
You have a real gift

 

[Simon Crosby]

Well, the last I read from the Holy Bible, there's no command nor injunction to partake in such a pagan celebration called Easter, which is a clear disguised of some pagan practice using Lord Jesus Christ's resurrection. Similar to the monstrance ritual done by the Vatican claiming that the eucharist embedded in that sun blast idol piece, that the wafer turns into the flesh of Christ through transubstantiation.

The two biblical injunctions we are told to do are the believer's baptism (Mark 16:16) and to "proclaim His death till He comes" in the breaking of bread (1 Corinthians 11:26). Other than these two, everything else done in His name is of like Easter, Christmas, etc are foolish use of the Lord's name in vain. Celebrate Easter? Naaaahhhhh..... not even close nor biblical.

And we know what the consequence of such a practice will bring.

"Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain." (Exodus 20:7)

You have be warned!

Celebrating Easter is not taking the Lord's name in vain.