do you have to be 100% certain on the trinity to be saved?

[indra_fanatic]

I don't think salvation is dependent on our opinions about anything.

Explain please.

 

[Crazy Liz]

I think faith and opinion are 2 different things.

 

[SumTinWong]

I agree with Liz. There are many people who have opinions about theological issues, but that is all they are opinions. In the end, faith is what matters.

 

[indra_fanatic]

Yes and no.

It is possible to have correct Scriptural opinions and understanding and still not be saved if none of it means anything to your heart. However, it's difficult or impossible to have a correct state of heart if your thought-processes are severely off.

If I think adultery is okay, consider Eskimos to be subhuman, and make a nightly ritual of cursing my family, all of the belief in God and "love" for Him in the world won't save me. It is possible to be so very warped that God cannot enter your life.

As for the subject of the Trinity, I think we need to keep the accuracy of our understanding of it in scale. My own understanding of it is probably not 100% accurate, not intentionally, but because it's such an imponderable concept. If someone out of simple ignorance, or not being properly explained on what it is, believes the "wrong thing" about the Trinity, I hardly see that as being unforgivable. A leader who intentionally promotes obviously false ideas about it (i.e. Gwen Shamblin) is another thing entirely.

 

[Snow Angel]

The Trinity Unity of Father,Son,and Holy Ghost' Well I did read that the only way to
enter in to the kingdom of God,was through the beliefs of Jesus,so I would say yes
it is very important that you need to know the trinity to be saved?

 

[SonOfThunder]

Rom 11:33-35-O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen

 

[LostnFound]

Interestingly enough, my Pastor mentioned this very thing on Sunday night! The jist of it was that he doesn't understand the Trinity, but he DOES believe. He suggests that that is what is important.

 

[SonOfThunder]

Interestingly enough, my Pastor mentioned this very thing on Sunday night! The jist of it was that he doesn't understand the Trinity, but he DOES believe. He suggests that that is what is important.

After salvation? not before?

 

[Crazy Liz]

Interestingly enough, my Pastor mentioned this very thing on Sunday night! The jist of it was that he doesn't understand the Trinity, but he DOES believe. He suggests that that is what is important.

After salvation? not before?

This question can be taken 2 different directions:

1) How do we locate salvation in time? Can we?

I don't think we can. Therefore, all questions of "before" or "after" salvation - such as the OSAS debate - are absurd.​

2) Which has priority, faith or understanding?

Augustine said, "Do not seek to understand in order to believe. Believe in order to understand." Modern theologians, on the basis of the Enlightenment Project, reverse the order. Does faith or understanding have priority? Is it always one or the other, or, depending on a person's orientation, is it one for some people and the other for other people?

If anyone is interested in getting involved in this discussion, there is a thread in Liberal Theology which parallels this one.​

 

[ZiSunka]

1) How do we locate salvation in time? Can we?

You're not sure when you got saved?

 

[Imagine_your_dreams]

If we had to fully understand God before we could receive salvation, NO ONE would ever make it to Heaven.

 

[Crazy Liz]

1) How do we locate salvation in time? Can we?

You're not sure when you got saved?

No. I don't think of myself as having "got saved." I was saved when Christ rose from the dead. I am being saved now, and I will be saved when God declares me "not guilty" at the final judgment. I cannot locate my salvation at one particular point in time.

 

[LostnFound]

It was my understanding that, at the moment I accepted the gift of Christs' crucifiction, and believed that he rose on the third day to attone for my sins, that I was "saved".

 

[Smidlee]

John 14:8 "Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us." v9 "Jesus saith unto him, "Have I been so long time with you, and yet thou not known me, Philip? he hath seen me hath seen the Father: and how sayest thou then , shew us the Father?"
It seem to me here is Philip a disciple of Jesus who didn't seem too much of the trinity either. Somehow I have a feeling the others didn't have a clue either. I Thank God he saves a dumb sinner like me who also didn't have a clue about hte trinity.( Didn't even know about the virgin birth either.) Of course the more is given to you the more is required.
Luke 12: 48 "...For unto whosoever much is given, of him shall be required: and to whom men have commited much, of him they will ask the more."

It seems that time and role is a factor in trinity. While Jesus was on earth he stated "The Father is greater than I" Yet in Isaiah 9:6 (famous Christmas verse) when the Glorified Christ shall reign on earth his name shall be called "Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace."
So God will give some understand after salvation but only after much study of His Word. Then still can't fully grasp it.

 

[SonOfThunder]

No. I don't think of myself as having "got saved." I was saved when Christ rose from the dead. I am being saved now, and I will be saved when God declares me "not guilty" at the final judgment. I cannot locate my salvation at one particular point in time.

This is a Jehovah's Witness view on salvation, that it isn't until judgement that we will be found saved. Interesting

James

 

[SonOfThunder]

John 14:8 "Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us." v9 "Jesus saith unto him, "Have I been so long time with you, and yet thou not known me, Philip? he hath seen me hath seen the Father: and how sayest thou then , shew us the Father?"
It seem to me here is Philip a disciple of Jesus who didn't seem too much of the trinity either. Somehow I have a feeling the others didn't have a clue either. I Thank God he saves a dumb sinner like me who also didn't have a clue about hte trinity.( Didn't even know about the virgin birth either.)

I never thought to look at the disciples, thankyou for pointing that out

James

 

[Crazy Liz]

It was my understanding that, at the moment I accepted the gift of Christs' crucifiction, and believed that he rose on the third day to attone for my sins, that I was "saved".

Yes, I think that is the Baptist OSAS view, but probably not the view of the majority of Christians.

 

[seebs]

This is a Jehovah's Witness view on salvation, that it isn't until judgement that we will be found saved. Interesting

Well, Jesus certainly talked about a single unified judgment.

 

[SonOfThunder]

This poll has closed with interesting result, for me the results are very very relieving.

YES = 8.57%

NO = 54.29%

God gives understanding after salvation = 25.71%

Don't know = 11.43%





First of all thankyou for all responding to this poll, I ran it for a week and I must say and pleasantly surprised at the result.



The concept of trinity has intrigued me. Since I started to attend a Baptist church I felt it was necessary to salvation to believe in trinity and set about a few months ago to pray to God for understanding and undertook an extensive study on this topic.
I am thinking of posting the study, I might have to ask permission first.

To my surprise I did not come to a firm conclusion. Yet I found I was in a position of just not comprehending rather than denying trinity.

• I accepted that Jesus Christ died for my sins and by me asking for forgiveness has allowed me to have fellowship with God in heaven. My acceptance of that was a step of faith and not based on concrete evidence.

• God inspired The Bible, again not on concrete evidence but what The Bible gives us through The Holy Spirit.

• I believe the Bible is God’s word to us

• I do believe The Bible shows us passages that state there is only one God.

• I do believe there are several passages that state that the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are one. (1John5:7)

• A small child cannot comprehend many of the laws of physics and chemistry, but that does not make the laws void or non-existent.

• Could my lack of comprehension be likened to that of a child? Would my lack of comprehension nullify the ‘law’ of the trinity anymore than the child’s does the law of science? Can we blame a child for a lack of comprehension? Can we blame ourselves for our lack of comprehension of many of God’s mysteries? Would God blame us? I think not, simply because he knows our limitations. However He does just ask us to do things by faith ( Abraham and Isaac’s sacrifice) when things are beyond our comprehension we must go by faith.

• Perhaps this poll has shown me that Salvation comes from when you accept that Christ was a perfect and eternal sacrifice for my sins. Not if Christ was God. The Bible does not say to accept Christ as God and you will be saved, it says to accept Christ as the perfect sacrifice of my sins to God and you will be saved.

James

 

[ZiSunka]

No. I don't think of myself as having "got saved." I was saved when Christ rose from the dead. I am being saved now, and I will be saved when God declares me "not guilty" at the final judgment. I cannot locate my salvation at one particular point in time.

That's very catholic. I've noticed that you are thinking more and more along catholic lines.