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You almost have to wonder if the Democratic Party is secretly trying to lose.

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Seven months - has the Democratic Party done besides fight with each other and scream about something Trump did? Goodness, they are defending rapists and murderers now
I don't know who these rapists and murderers you're referring to are, but at least Democrats aren't electing convicted felons who have committed fraud over and over again.

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I don't know who these rapists and murderers you're referring to are, but at least Democrats aren't electing convicted felons who have committed fraud over and over again.

-- A2SG, so at least there is that....
And the majority of the US population are not buying what the DNC is selling. They are looking at the fruits of the DNC and are running from it. The best advice I have to offer to the DNC is to abandon the identity politics, throw away the "preferred pronouns," and stop defending lawlessness. But alas, the ideology is so strong that the DNC will rather politically die than give Trump a single inch. Gen Z is said to be the most conservative generation in history. Why? Because they were force fed this liberal nonsense in elementary school and are now realizing it was all just millennial hogwash. They are now replacing the aging and dying boomer generation, and they despise the "woke" leftist propaganda.
 
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And the majority of the US population are not buying what the DNC is selling.
Well, there are democrats being elected to offices in various parts of the country, so enough people are "buying." But we'll have to see how the midterm elections go to see how the majority of the US population feels about democrats.

They are looking at the fruits of the DNC and are running from it. The best advice I have to offer to the DNC is to abandon the identity politics, throw away the "preferred pronouns," and stop defending lawlessness.
I'm sure they'll take your advice under advisement. But, for that last part at least, they are not trying to elect any convicted felons to any national office, so there's that.

But alas, the ideology is so strong that the DNC will rather politically die than give Trump a single inch.
Why should they? Has Trump given the Democratic party a single inch? The office he holds is supposed to represent ALL Americans, but you wouldn't know it by how he chooses to govern. Heck, even MAGA and red states are given the shaft under Trump's administration...unless, of course, they can afford to pay enough.

Gen Z is said to be the most conservative generation in history.
Really? Who said that? Doesn't seem to jibe with what I've observed.

Why? Because they were force fed this liberal nonsense in elementary school and are now realizing it was all just millennial hogwash. They are now replacing the aging and dying boomer generation, and they despise the "woke" leftist propaganda.
You're gonna have to demonstrate that trend somehow, because a couple of minutes on TikTok, or any other social media platform, kinda proves that incredibly wrong.

-- A2SG, but I'll withhold judgment until I see your evidence....
 
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Well, there are democrats being elected to offices in various parts of the country, so enough people are "buying." But we'll have to see how the midterm elections go to see how the majority of the US population feels about democrats.


I'm sure they'll take your advice under advisement. But, for that last part at least, they are not trying to elect any convicted felons to any national office, so there's that.


Why should they? Has Trump given the Democratic party a single inch? The office he holds is supposed to represent ALL Americans, but you wouldn't know it by how he chooses to govern. Heck, even MAGA and red states are given the shaft under Trump's administration...unless, of course, they can afford to pay enough.


Really? Who said that? Doesn't seem to jibe with what I've observed.


You're gonna have to demonstrate that trend somehow, because a couple of minutes on TikTok, or any other social media platform, kinda proves that incredibly wrong.

-- A2SG, but I'll withhold judgment until I see your evidence....
Well, look forward to Vance 2028. Please! I beg of you and your other democrats, keep doing what you are doing. Keep up with the identity politics and the trans agenda. Keep choosing thugs and criminals over law abiding citizens. Also, please act shocked and surprised when the DNC numbers keep tanking.
 
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Well, look forward to Vance 2028. Please! I beg of you and your other democrats, keep doing what you are doing. Keep up with the identity politics and the trans agenda. Keep choosing thugs and criminals over law abiding citizens. Also, please act shocked and surprised when the DNC numbers keep tanking.
Of course there's no idea of who would be running against Vance. The potential frontrunners in the DNC wouldn't stand a chance and they know it. Newsom was probably their best hope and he's already self-destructing.
 
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Keep choosing thugs and criminals over law abiding citizens.

Do I need to remind you who you elected President?

-- A2SG, can't think of a single convicted felon among any Democrats in office, off the top of my head....
 
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Wrongly convicted via lawfare. As millions of voters were well aware of, which is why it failed to get them to change their vote. A wrongful conviction that first had sentencing dropped. And then the penalty was dropped. Next the conviction itself will likely be dropped. It's been one of most obviously wrongful and weakest convitions in history. And when it comes to those who orchestrated it, heads are likely to roll.
 
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Wrongly convicted via lawfare.
Asserted without proof. Hitchen's razor applies.

As millions of voters were well aware of, which is why it failed to get them to change their vote.
Millions of people can be wrong. How many people believe they've seen Elvis since 1977?

A wrongful conviction that first had sentencing dropped.
Nope. He was sentenced to an unconditional discharge, in effect, no penalties or fines, simply because he was elected President. Which, of course, goes against the "lawfare" narrative that the judge was biased against Trump and was out to railroad him.

And then the penalty was dropped.
No penalty was imposed, because he was elected President. It had nothing to do with his guilt, which remains proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

Next the conviction itself will likely be dropped.
I'll believe that when I see it. Though, I highly doubt I ever will.

It's been one of most obviously wrongful and weakest convitions in history.
Only to those who revere Trump and refuse to believe the evidence, or who refuse to even view it.

And when it comes to those who orchestrated it, heads are likely to roll.
Statements like that will only cause one thing to roll.

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-- A2SG, but you're free to believe whatever nonsense you wish to.....
 
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Asserted without proof. Hitchen's razor applies.


Millions of people can be wrong. How many people believe they've seen Elvis since 1977?


Nope. He was sentenced to an unconditional discharge, in effect, no penalties or fines, simply because he was elected President. Which, of course, goes against the "lawfare" narrative that the judge was biased against Trump and was out to railroad him.


No penalty was imposed, because he was elected President. It had nothing to do with his guilt, which remains proven beyond a reasonable doubt.


I'll believe that when I see it. Though, I highly doubt I ever will.


Only to those who revere Trump and refuse to believe the evidence, or who refuse to even view it.


Statements like that will only cause one thing to roll.

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Hitchen's razor isn't worth squat in a Christian Forum. As the atheistic reasoning he applied it to was quite flawed. Judge Engoron had plenty of time to pass sentence and kept delaying until passing a non-sentnce at the last minute. You're wrong, a ridiculous penalty of $355 million was ordered, and then overturned for being ridiculous. Simply not hating Trump is enough to conclude the case and convtion was a matter of bogus lawfare. The left is going on way too much about how terrified of retribution those involved are to gloss over it like that.
 
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Hitchen's razor isn't worth squat in a Christian Forum. As the atheistic reasoning he applied it to was quite flawed.
It has nothing to do with atheism or theism. Simply stated, what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. Your claim was asserted without evidence, so I dismiss it without evidence.

As opposed to the jury in Trump's criminal trial, who viewed the actual evidence presented, and rendered a verdict of guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

Judge Engoron had plenty of time to pass sentence and kept delaying until passing a non-sentnce at the last minute. You're wrong, a ridiculous penalty of $355 million was ordered, and then overturned for being ridiculous.
Different fraud trial. I know, I know, it can be hard to keep up with all of Trump's guilty verdicts for fraud.

Judge Engoron presided over Trump's civil fraud trial. That guilty verdict resulted in a $364 million judgment. On appeal, the disgorgement was tossed, but the verdict of guilt remains. Trump's criminal fraud trial, presided over by Judge Merchan, resulted in 34 felony convictions for fraud, and a sentence of unconditional discharge. But the guilty verdict remains, so Trump is a convicted felon.

Also, as to the criminal trial, do you remember why there were delays before sentence was passed? It rhymes with schmesidential schmelection.

Simply not hating Trump is enough to conclude the case and convtion was a matter of bogus lawfare.
Then provide evidence of misconduct or malfeasance during either fraud trial. Or, if you prefer, proof of Trump's innocence. He can no longer be presumed innocent since he was proven guilty in both cases.

The left is going on way too much about how terrified of retribution those involved are to gloss over it like that.
I don't speak for "the left," nor do I fear retribution from Donald Trump. But everything I've said here is 100% factual and verifiable, something no one who claims "lawfare" can say.

-- A2SG, so far, in all the cases where someone asserts Trump's many guilty verdicts were the result of "lawfare," I've yet to see ANY evidence to support the claim....
 
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When it comes to a convicted felon being president, there's two conclusions. Too many voters concluded it was a bogus conviction. Having a convicted felon as president was preferable to having a democrat as president.
 
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When it comes to a convicted felon being president, there's two conclusions. Too many voters concluded it was a bogus conviction. Having a convicted felon as president was preferable to having a democrat as president.
Personally, I can't begin to understand why anyone would vote for Donald Trump, even disregarding the fact that he's a convicted felon. But, you are, of course, free to believe whatever you wish. You have every right to your opinion, regardless of whether or not it has any basis in reality.

-- A2SG, I'd certainly never say you can't....
 
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I don't know who these rapists and murderers you're referring to are, but at least Democrats aren't electing convicted felons who have committed fraud over and over again.

-- A2SG, so at least there is that....
That is the best defense of the actions of Democratic leaderships action?
 
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That is the best defense of the actions of Democratic leaderships action?
What defense? As I said, I don't even know who these rapists and murderers you're referring to are. Care to enlighten me?

-- A2SG, can't exactly defend what I know nothing about now, can I?
 
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What defense? As I said, I don't even know who these rapists and murderers you're referring to are. Care to enlighten me?
They have been named - their pictures shown - their crimes spoken of in the media, they Whitehouse and different agencies news conferences -
-- A2SG, can't exactly defend what I know nothing about now, can I?

I'm thinking you might need new news sources - it's just a thought
 
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What defense? As I said, I don't even know who these rapists and murderers you're referring to are. Care to enlighten me?

-- A2SG, can't exactly defend what I know nothing about now, can I?
@Always in His Presence this is exactly why the DNC is going to collapse.
 
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And the majority of the US population are not buying what the DNC is selling. They are looking at the fruits of the DNC and are running from it. The best advice I have to offer to the DNC is to abandon the identity politics, throw away the "preferred pronouns," and stop defending lawlessness. But alas, the ideology is so strong that the DNC will rather politically die than give Trump a single inch. Gen Z is said to be the most conservative generation in history. Why? Because they were force fed this liberal nonsense in elementary school and are now realizing it was all just millennial hogwash. They are now replacing the aging and dying boomer generation, and they despise the "woke" leftist propaganda.
I’ll give ya that the Democratic doesn’t know what it’s doing.
But the GOP doesn’t either, until told by Trump.
And they have no choice but to follow along with his lead, because that’s all they have left after abdicating their responsibilities to him.
 
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I’ll give ya that the Democratic doesn’t know what it’s doing.
But the GOP doesn’t either, until told by Trump.
And they have no choice but to follow along with his lead, because that’s all they have left after abdicating their responsibilities to him.
What it really is, is Trump gives them what they really want. Trump knows what the right wants and he makes it happen. He's the quintessential people's president. Trump's republican successor will be just as popular if he does the same.
 
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What it really is, is Trump gives them what they really want. Trump knows what the right wants and he makes it happen.
He gives the illusion that he’s doing what the people who voted for him want…yet some have become disillusioned with some of his policies and are beginning to question their allegiance to him.
 
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