Do You Follow the Teachings of Messiah?

[DamianWarS]

What would you conflate in the "no?"

Conflating is the problem

 

[HARK!]

You, as a judaizer

What's a judaizer?

obviously cannot understand that you can be both under grace and trying to obey Christ

If you understood that; you would have answered yes to the poll; and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

 

[HARK!]

Conflating is the problem

Conflating is the solution.

 

[DamianWarS]

Conflating is the solution.

You're spamming your own thread with rhetoric and loosing your point.

 

[solid_core]

If you understood that; you would have answered yes to the poll; and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

As somebody pointed out, your poll choices are poorly defined. And not quite related to your poll question.

 

[solid_core]

What's a judaizer?

Somebody, who tries to propagate or even impose Jewish myths, traditions, customs or laws on Christians.

They can be easily recognized from the moment they type/say something, because they use Hebrew letters in their chat icons, use weird Hebrew/Latin transliterations of Biblical names etc. For example:

Yahshua is quoting the Shema:

(CLV) DT 6:4
4 Hear, Israel! Yahweh is our Elohim; Yahweh the only One. 5 So you will love Yahweh your Elohim with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your intensity. 6 These words which I am instructing you today will come to be in your heart.

 

[HARK!]

As somebody pointed out, your poll choices are poorly defined. And not quite related to your poll question.

If you truly believed this; then apparently you don't believe, what you purport that I don't understand.

 

[klutedavid]

It's a simple question. You either believe that Yahshua called us to keep our father's way, or not.

Perhaps you think there is another way.

The Father's way was was only ever divine love for us. The Son showed how immense His love for His creation was by giving up His own life, the perfect sacrifice.

God is love!

The only possible command that we must obey and that achieves an A+.

Could only ever be love from a pure heart.

Love is the only outstanding debt we owe.

In fact, where love exists there is certainly no fear of God.

 

[HARK!]

Somebody, who tries to propagate or even impose Jewish myths, traditions, customs or laws on Christians.

Which of these are you falsely accusing me of?

 

[solid_core]

Which of these are you falsely accusing me of?

We are not in a court so I do not "accuse" you of anything.

I just know what you post here on this forum.

 

[HARK!]

In fact, where love exists there is certainly no fear of God.

What is the love of YHWH? You can find your answer here:

YHWH Asks for only One Thing: Everything

 

[HARK!]

We are not in a court so I do not "accuse" you of anything.

I just know what you post here on this forum.

But you have accused me. You falsely accused me of being a judaizer, by your own definition. Now you are lying about it. This nonsense needs to stop. If you are not interested in discussing the topic of this thread; then farewell.

 

[HARK!]

Your spamming your own thread with rhetoric and loosing your point.

Is that what this was all about? I was being patient with you. I thought that you were having difficulty communicating. I hadn't suspected that your lack of being forthcoming was an attempt to have me join you in spamming my own thread.

The same goes for you. If you're not interested in discussing the OP; then farewell.

 

[SkyWriting]

Why did you skip over these verses?

28 And why are you worrying about apparel? Study the anemones of the field, how they are growing. Not toiling are they, nor yet are they spinning." 29 Yet I am saying to you that not even Solomon in all his glory was clothed as one of these. 30 Now if the grass of the field, which is today, and tomorrow is cast into the stove, God thus is garbing; not much rather you, scant of faith? 31 You, then, should not be worrying, saying, 'What may we be eating?' or 'What may we be drinking?' or 'With what may we be clothed?'" 32 For for all these the nations are seeking. For aware is your heavenly Father that you need all of these. 33 Yet seek first the kingdom and its righteousness, and these all shall be added to you." 34 You should not, then, be worrying about the morrow, for the morrow will be worrying of itself. Sufficient for the day is its own evil."

You seem to be ignoring the greatest commandment.

The first commandment is "Why". Why always comes first.
The second is like it, and is "What". The two are inseperable.
. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’

 

[SkyWriting]

The subject is not about material gifts from your neighbors. The subject is about spiritual gifts from YHWH. Yahshua used the material examples, to help us to understand the spiritual reality. He took extra effort to get you to unde5rtsnad this. I would suggest that read it as many times as it takes for him to get his point across. This is about your relationship with Abba.

And this is about said relationship in action. This how your relationship with God is manifested. Always do what you think is right. And pray for the strength to do what is right.

James 4:17
So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

Isaiah 41:10
Fear not, for I am with you; be not dismayed, for I am your God; I will strengthen you, I will help you, I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.

Isaiah 40:29
He gives power to the faint, and to him who has no might he increases strength.

1 Chronicles 16:11
Seek the Lord and his strength; seek his presence continually!

Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through him who strengthens me.

Mark 11:24
Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

Isaiah 40:31
But they who wait for the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings like eagles; they shall run and not be weary; they shall walk and not faint.

James 2:8
If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well.

Mark 12:31
The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

Romans 15:2
Let each of us please his neighbor for his good, to build him up.

Galatians 5:14
For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Proverbs 3:29
Do not plan evil against your neighbor, who dwells trustingly beside you.

Matthew 7:12
“So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

Luke 10:27
And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself.”

Romans 13:10
Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Luke 6:31
And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them.

Matthew 19:19
Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Leviticus 19:18
You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the sons of your own people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord.

Leviticus 19:16-18
You shall not go around as a slanderer among your people, and you shall not stand up against the life of your neighbor: I am the Lord. “You shall not hate your brother in your heart, but you shall reason frankly with your neighbor, lest you incur sin because of him. You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the sons of your own people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord.

Galatians 6:10
So then, as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone, and especially to those who are of the household of faith.

Zechariah 8:16
These are the things that you shall do: Speak the truth to one another; render in your gates judgments that are true and make for peace;

Isaiah 58:6-14
“Is not this the fast that I choose: to loose the bonds of wickedness, to undo the straps of the yoke, to let the oppressed go free, and to break every yoke? Is it not to share your bread with the hungry and bring the homeless poor into your house; when you see the naked, to cover him, and not to hide yourself from your own flesh? Then shall your light break forth like the dawn, and your healing shall spring up speedily; your righteousness shall go before you; the glory of the Lord shall be your rear guard. Then you shall call, and the Lord will answer; you shall cry, and he will say, ‘Here I am.’ If you take away the yoke from your midst, the pointing of the finger, and speaking wickedness, if you pour yourself out for the hungry and satisfy the desire of the afflicted, then shall your light rise in the darkness and your gloom be as the noonday. ...

Romans 13:9
For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Proverbs 3:28
Do not say to your neighbor, “Go, and come again, tomorrow I will give it”—when you have it with you.

Zechariah 8:17
Do not devise evil in your hearts against one another, and love no false oath, for all these things I hate, declares the Lord.”

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Luke 10:29
But he, desiring to justify himself, said to Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

Romans 12:19
Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.”

Leviticus 19:13
“You shall not oppress your neighbor or rob him. The wages of a hired servant shall not remain with you all night until the morning.

Exodus 20:16
“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

Matthew 22:39
And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

Psalm 15:1-3
A Psalm of David. O Lord, who shall sojourn in your tent? Who shall dwell on your holy hill? He who walks blamelessly and does what is right and speaks truth in his heart; who does not slander with his tongue and does no evil to his neighbor, nor takes up a reproach against his friend;

Luke 10:25-37
And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How do you read it?” And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself.” And he said to him, “You have answered correctly; do this, and you will live.” But he, desiring to justify himself, said to Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?” ...

Exodus 23:4
“If you meet your enemy's ox or his donkey going astray, you shall bring it back to him.

Galatians 6:2
Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.

1 John 3:17
But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?

Ephesians 4:25
Therefore, having put away falsehood, let each one of you speak the truth with his neighbor, for we are members one of another.

Romans 13:9-10
For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Luke 10:36
Which of these three, do you think, proved to be a neighbor to the man who fell among the robbers?”

Leviticus 6:2-5
“If anyone sins and commits a breach of faith against the Lord by deceiving his neighbor in a matter of deposit or security, or through robbery, or if he has oppressed his neighbor or has found something lost and lied about it, swearing falsely—in any of all the things that people do and sin thereby— if he has sinned and has realized his guilt and will restore what he took by robbery or what he got by oppression or the deposit that was committed to him or the lost thing that he found or anything about which he has sworn falsely, he shall restore it in full and shall add a fifth to it, and give it to him to whom it belongs on the day he realizes his guilt.

1 Corinthians 10:24
Let no one seek his own good, but the good of his neighbor.

John 15:12
“This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.

Matthew 22:37-40
And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

James 1:27
Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.

Hebrews 13:1-2
Let brotherly love continue. Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

John 15:13
Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.

1 John 4:21
And this commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother.

Matthew 5:43
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’

Proverbs 19:17
Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed.

 

[SkyWriting]

The subject is not about material gifts from your neighbors. The subject is about spiritual gifts from YHWH.

Yes. And it's about praying for the strength to always act out what is right in you own eyes and treat your neighbors well.

 

[DamianWarS]

Is that what this was all about? I was being patient with you. I thought that you were having difficulty communicating. I hadn't suspected that your lack of being forthcoming was an attempt to have me join you in spamming my own thread.

The same goes for you. If you're not interested in discussing the OP; then farewell.

Change the poll as an olive branch and I'll gladly participate

 

[SkyWriting]

The subject is not about material gifts from your neighbors. The subject is about spiritual gifts from YHWH. Yahshua used the material examples, to help us to understand the spiritual reality. He took extra effort to get you to unde5rtsnad this. I would suggest that read it as many times as it takes for him to get his point across. This is about your relationship with Abba.

So dis:

26 Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.

 

[Dale]

I don't know. I use it because it's, for the most part, a literal, word for word translation; and it conforms, for the most part, to the Critical Text.

How does John 3:16 read in the Concordat Literal Version, or CLV?

It's a bit startling.


16 For thus God loves the world, so that He gives His only-begotten Son, that everyone who is believing in Him should not be perishing, but may be having life eonian.
John 3:16 CLV

I don't know what "life eonian" means. If it means eternal life then I don't know why this is qualified with "may be." This is the most bizarre translation I have ever seen.


Link to "John's Account," a translation of the Gospel of John in CLV online
JOHN'S ACCOUNT | Concordant Publishing Concern

 

[Dkh587]

Somebody, who tries to propagate or even impose Jewish myths, traditions, customs or laws on Christians.

They can be easily recognized from the moment they type/say something, because they use Hebrew letters in their chat icons, use weird Hebrew/Latin transliterations of Biblical names etc. For example:

You have an incorrect understanding of what a Judaizer is - a Judaizer is someone who is seeking to convert people to adherence of the manmade commandments & ordinances of the Pharisees(the oral law).

Teaching people to obey God’s law does not make someone a Judaizer.

You are falsely accusing @HARK! of being a Judaizer