Do You Follow the Teachings of Messiah?

[HARK!]

I agree. Paul was stuck on legalism. He never changed on that sin.
He just changed who he prosecuted and how.

Define "stuck on legalism."

 

[SkyWriting]

Again you're quoting a closing verse to a long shopping list of commands.

Oh. Ok. I can work with placement context.

Matthew 7:12
“So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

Luke 6:31
And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them.

Romans 13:8-10
Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Galatians 5:13-14
For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Mark 12:29-34
Jesus answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” And the scribe said to him, “You are right, Teacher. You have truly said that he is one, and there is no other besides him. And to love him with all the heart and with all the understanding and with all the strength, and to love one's neighbor as oneself, is much more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.”

Leviticus 19:18
You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the sons of your own people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord.

Matthew 22:39-40
And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

Micah 6:8
He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

 

[SkyWriting]

Define "stuck on legalism."

Ignoring grace.
He just changed who he prosecuted and how.

 

[HARK!]

Mark 12:29-34
Jesus answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.

I pointed this out to you earlier. This has nothing to do with your neighbor; but everything to do with YHWH.

 

[SkyWriting]

I pointed this out to you earlier. This has nothing to do with your neighbor; but everything to do with YHWH.

For the whole law (of YHWH) is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

So it seems they are the same and connected.

 

[HARK!]

Ignoring grace.

Is there grace for Pagans who refuse to come to obedience to YHWH's word?

 

[SkyWriting]

Is there grace for Pagans who refuse to come to obedience to YHWH's word?

Yes. Yes there is grace for pagan's.

CLV(i) 14 For if you should be forgiving men their offenses, your heavenly Father also will be forgiving you."

 

[HARK!]

Matthew 7:12
“So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

1Now, perceiving the throngs, He ascended into the mountain. And, at His being seated, His disciples came to Him. 2 1And opening His mouth, He taught them, saying, 3 1"Happy, in spirit, are the poor, for theirs is the kingdom of the heavens. 4 1"Happy are those who mourn now, for they shall be consoled. 5 1"Happy are the meek, for they shall be enjoying the allotment of the land. 6 1"Happy are those who are hungering and thirsting for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied. 7 1"Happy are the merciful, for they shall be shown mercy. 8 1"Happy are the clean in heart, for they shall see God. 9 1"Happy are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. 10 1"Happy are those persecuted on account of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of the heavens. 11 1"Happy are you whenever they should be reproaching and persecuting you and, falsifying, saying every wicked thing against you, on my account. 12 1Rejoice and exult, for your wages are vast in the heavens. For thus they persecute the prophets before you. 13 1You are the salt of the earth. Now, if the salt should be made insipid, with what will it be salted? For nothing does it still avail except to be cast outside, to be trampled by men. 14 1You are the light of the world. A city located upon a mountain can not be hid. 15 1Neither are they burning a lamp and placing it under a peck measure, but on a lampstand, and it is shining to all those in the house. 16 1Thus let shine your light in front of men, so that they may perceive your ideal acts and should glorify your Father Who is in the heavens. 17 1You should not infer that I came to demolish the law or the prophets. I came not to demolish, but to fulfill. 18 1For verily, I am saying to you, Till heaven and earth should be passing by, one iota or one serif may by no means be passing by from the law till all should be occurring. 19 1Whosoever, then, should be annulling one of the least of these precepts, and should be teaching men thus, the least in the kingdom of the heavens shall he be called. Yet whoever should be doing and teaching them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of the heavens. 20 1For I am saying to you that, if ever your righteousness should not be superabounding more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, by no means may you be entering into the kingdom of the heavens. 21 1You hear that it was declared to the ancients, 'You shall not murder.' Yet whoever should be murdering shall be liable to the judging 22 1Yet I am saying to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be liable to the judging. Yet whoever may be saying to his brother, 'Raka!' shall be liable to the Sanhedrin. Yet whoever may be saying, 'Stupid!' shall be liable to the Gehenna of fire. 23 1If, then, you should be offering your approach present on the altar, and there you should be reminded that your brother has anything against you, 24 1leave your approach present there, in front of the altar, and go away. First be placated toward your brother, and then, coming, be offering your approach present. 25 1You be humoring your plaintiff quickly while you are with him on the way, lest at some time the plaintiff may be giving you up to the judge, and the judge to the deputy, and you should be cast into jail. 26 1Verily I am saying to you, By no means may you be coming out thence till you should be paying the last quadrans. 27 1"You hear that it was declared, 'You shall not be committing adultery. 28 1Yet I am saying to you that every man looking at a woman to lust for her already commits adultery with her in his heart. 29 1Now, if your right eye is snaring you, wrench it out and cast it from you, for it is expedient for you that one of your members should perish and not your whole body be cast into Gehenna. 30 1And if your right hand is snaring you, strike it off and cast it from you, for it is expedient for you that one of your members should perish and not your whole body pass away into Gehenna." 31 1"Now it was declared, Whoever should be dismissing his wife, let him be giving her a divorce. 32 1Yet I am saying to you that everyone dismissing his wife (outside of a case of prostitution) is making her commit adultery, and whosoever should be marrying her who has been dismissed is committing adultery. 33 1"Again, you hear that it was declared to the ancients, You shall not be perjuring, yet you shall be paying to the Lord your oaths. 34 1Yet I am saying to you absolutely not to swear, neither by heaven, for it is the throne of God, 35 1nor by the earth, for it is a footstool for His feet; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King; 36 1nor by your head should you be swearing, for you are not able to make one hair white or black. 37 1Yet let your word be 'Yes, Yes,' 'No, No.' Now what is in excess of these is of the wicked one. 38 1"You hear that it was declared, ' An eye for an eye,' and 'A tooth for a tooth.' 39 1Yet I am saying to you not to withstand a wicked person, but anyone who slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 1And he who wants to sue you and obtain your tunic, leave him your cloak also. 41 1And anyone who conscripts you one mile, go with him two. 42 1To him who requests you, give; and from him who wants to borrow from you, you may not turn. 43 1"You hear that it was declared, 'You shall be loving your associate' and you shall be hating your enemy. 44 1Yet I am saying to you, Love your enemies, and pray for those who are persecuting you, 45 1so that you may become sons of your Father Who is in the heavens, for He causes His sun to rise on the wicked and the good, and makes it rain on the just and the unjust. 46 1For if ever you should love those who are loving you, what wages have you? Are not the tribute collectors also doing the same? 47 1And if ever you should greet your brothers only, what are you doing that is excessive? Are not those of the nations also doing the same? 48 1You, then, shall be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Yet take heed not to be doing your righteousness in front of men, in order to be gazed at by them, otherwise surely you have no wages with your Father Who is in the heavens."

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[HARK!]

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2 Whenever, then, you may be doing alms, you should not be trumpeting in front of you, even as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they should be glorified by men. Verily, I am saying to you, They are collecting their wages!" 3 Yet you, doing alms, let not your left hand know what your right is doing, 4 so that your alms may be in hiding, and your Father, Who is observing in hiding, will be paying you." 5 And whenever you may be praying, you shall not be as the hypocrites, for they are fond of standing in the synagogues and at the corners of the squares to be praying, so that they may appear to men. Verily, I am saying to you, They are collecting their wages!" 6 Now you, whenever you may be praying, enter into your storeroom, and, locking your door, pray to your Father Who is in hiding, and your Father, Who is observing in hiding, will be paying you." 7 Now, in praying, you should not use useless repetitions even as those of the nations. For they are supposing that they will be hearkened to in their loquacity." 8 Do not, then, be like them, for aware is God, your Father, of what you have need before you request Him." 9 Thus, then, you be praying: 'Our Father Who art in the heavens, hallowed be Thy name." 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, on earth also." 11 Our bread, our dole, be giving us today." 12 And remit to us our debts, as we also remit those of our debtors." 13 And mayest Thou not be bringing us into trial, but rescue us from the wicked one.'" 14 For if you should be forgiving men their offenses, your heavenly Father also will be forgiving you." 15 Yet if you should not be forgiving men their offenses, neither will your Father be forgiving your offenses." 16 Now whenever you may be fasting, become not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance, for they disguise their faces so that they may appear to men to be fasting. Verily, I am saying to you: They are collecting their wages." 17 Now you, when fasting, rub your head with oil and wash your face, 18 so that you may not appear to men to be fasting, but to your Father Who is in hiding, and your Father, Who is observing in hiding, will be paying you." 19 Do not hoard for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and corrosion are causing them to disappear, and where thieves are tunneling and stealing." 20 Yet hoard for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor corrosion are causing them to disappear, and where thieves are not tunneling nor stealing;" 21 for wherever your treasure is, there will your heart be also." 22 The lamp of the body is your eye. If, then, your eye should be single, your whole body will be luminous." 23 Yet if your eye should be wicked, your whole body will be dark. If, then, the light that is in you is darkness, how dense is the darkness!" 24 Now no one can be slaving for two lords, for either he will be hating the one and loving the other, or will be upholding one and despising the other. You can not be slaving for God and mammon." 25 Therefore I am saying to you, Do not worry about you soul, what you may be eating, or what you may be drinking, nor yet about your body, what you should be putting on. Is not the soul more than nourishment, and the body than apparel? 26 Look at the flying creatures of heaven, that they are not sowing, neither are they reaping, nor are they gathering into barns, and your heavenly Father is nourishing them. Are not you of more consequence than they? 27 Now who of you by worrying is able to add on to his stature one cubit?

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[HARK!]

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28 And why are you worrying about apparel? Study the anemones of the field, how they are growing. Not toiling are they, nor yet are they spinning." 29 Yet I am saying to you that not even Solomon in all his glory was clothed as one of these. 30 Now if the grass of the field, which is today, and tomorrow is cast into the stove, God thus is garbing; not much rather you, scant of faith? 31 You, then, should not be worrying, saying, 'What may we be eating?' or 'What may we be drinking?' or 'With what may we be clothed?'" 32 For for all these the nations are seeking. For aware is your heavenly Father that you need all of these. 33 Yet seek first the kingdom and its righteousness, and these all shall be added to you." 34 You should not, then, be worrying about the morrow, for the morrow will be worrying of itself. Sufficient for the day is its own evil."
Do not judge, lest you may be judged, 2 for with what judgment you are judging, shall you be judged, and with what measure you are measuring, shall it be measured to you." 3 Now why are you observing the mote that is in your brother's eye, yet the beam in your eye you are not considering? 4 Or how will you be declaring to your brother, 'Brother, let me extract the mote out of your eye,' and lo! the beam is in your eye? 5 Hypocrite! Extract first the beam out of your eye, and then you will be keen-sighted to be extracting the mote out of your brother's eye." 6 You may not be giving that which is holy to curs, nor yet should you be casting your pearls in front of hogs, lest at some time they shall be trampling them with their feet and, turning, they should be tearing you." 7 Request and it shall be given you. Seek and you shall find. Knock and it shall be opened to you." 8 For everyone who is requesting is obtaining, and who is seeking is finding, and to him who is knocking it shall be opened." 9 Or what man is there among you, from whom his son will be requesting bread-no stone will he be handing him!" 10 Or he will be requesting a fish also-no serpent will he be handing him! 11 If you, then, being wicked, have perceived how to be giving good gifts to your children, how much rather shall your Father Who is in the heavens be giving good things to those requesting Him? 12 All, then, whatever you should be wanting that men should be doing to you, thus you, also, be doing to them, for this is the law and the prophets."

 

[HARK!]

Oh. Ok. I can work with placement context.

I really need to get some sleep now; but I'LL BE BACK tomorrow!

lol!

Good night, SkyWriting.

 

[DamianWarS]

(CLV) Mt 23:1
Then Jesus speaks to the throngs and to His disciples,

(CLV) Mt 23:2
saying, "On Moses' seat are seated the scribes and the Pharisees.

(CLV) Mt 23:3
All, then, whatever they should be saying to you, do and keep it. Yet according to their acts do not be doing, for they are saying and not doing.

The Torah was read from the Moses Seat.

(CLV) Jn 7:16
Jesus, then, answered them and said, "My teaching is not Mine, but His Who sends Me.

(CLV) Jn 14:15
If you should be loving Me, you will be keeping My precepts.

(CLV) 1Jn 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we may be keeping His precepts. And His precepts are not heavy,

(CLV) Jn 17:6
I manifest Thy name to the men whom Thou givest Me out of the world. Thine they were, and to Me Thou givest them, and Thy word they have kept.

"You should not infer that I came to demolish the law or the prophets. I came not to demolish, but to fulfill.


(CLV) Mt 5:18
For verily, I am saying to you, Till heaven and earth should be passing by, one iota or one serif may by no means be passing by from the law till all should be occurring.

The poll has an extreme bias in it

 

[SkyWriting]

12 All, then, whatever you should be wanting that men should be doing to you, thus you, also, be doing to them, for this is the law and the prophets."

Exactly right. All the speech is summed up

" Whatever you should be wanting that men should be doing to you, thus you, also, be doing to them"

And the reason for this is that the same speech is intended for the person on your right, and the person on your left. It doesn't just apply to you, but to all people Jesus has created. Even the pagans.

46 1 For if ever you should love those who are loving you, what wages have you?

 

[SkyWriting]

I pointed this out to you earlier. This has nothing to do with your neighbor; but everything to do with YHWH.

YHWH created your neighbor.
" observing the mote that is in your brother's eye"
"Do not judge...your brother"

 

[SkyWriting]

YHWH created your neighbor.

Do not judge...your brother

 

[thecolorsblend]

Yes it is.

No, it wasn't. And I think there's even a rule against posting context-free scriptures like that.

Paul spoke them.

That has basically nothing to do with anything.

 

[solid_core]

Why did we have to pit one against the other? I pray because I am under grace, not to do my own thing but I am totally dependent on His grace to please Him.

Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
(Heb 4:16)

Yes, its a false dichotomy.

We can be under grace and still seek His will. Its not "either - or".

 

[crossnote]

That is my experience. Love has always been the first casualty for those who earnestly stress obedience to the law as the means to attain heaven(however skilfully they may word it) That is my experience over decades also

Yes, they seem to fail to grasp this point...

Titus 2:11-12 KJV
[11] For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, [12] Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

 

[parousia70]

(CLV) Mt 23:1
Then Jesus speaks to the throngs and to His disciples,

(CLV) Mt 23:2
saying, "On Moses' seat are seated the scribes and the Pharisees.

(CLV) Mt 23:3
All, then, whatever they should be saying to you, do and keep it. Yet according to their acts do not be doing, for they are saying and not doing.

The Torah was read from the Moses Seat.

The Law of Moses does not consist in reading a book. It consists in strict OBSERVANCE. There is no way to observe the Law of Moses and hasn't been since AD 70.

You yourself have FAILED MISERABLY to Keep every Jot & Tittle of the Law as you state you (we) are commanded to.

Why do you give yourself a pass? Jesus gives you no such pass friend.

(CLV) Mt 5:18
For verily, I am saying to you, Till heaven and earth should be passing by, one iota or one serif may by no means be passing by from the law till all should be occurring.

Christ demands that every minute detail of the Law of Moses down to the very least of its 600+ commands be kept. He says: "therefore whosoever shall break one of these LEAST commandments and shall teach others to do so, he shall be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven." The passage calls for the keeping of the Law even BEYOND what the Pharisees produced in their practice and observance (Matt 5:20).

Why are you not keeping the Law of Moses even down to the very least of its commands (observing every jot and tittle of the Mosaic Law)??

Is it your desire to be called the least in the Kingdom for such failure to follow Jesus' commands?

Or again, do you give yourself special dispensation to ignore and reject His teaching on this the way you demonstrably have done?

Perhaps you believe He didn't really MEAN what He SAID?

 

[parousia70]

Jesus brought the Mosaic contract/economy to an end when he instituted his New Covenant contract/economy. The Mosaic contract began at Sinai and reached its consummation in the generation of The Christ. The Christic contract begins at Mt. Zion in the first century and has no end.

Hebrews 7:11-19 makes clear that the Mosaic constitution instituted by Moses and transacted through the Levitical priesthood was not the way to perfection. As such, it was made obsolete by the Christic constitution instituted by The Christ and transacted via the Melchizedekian priesthood. It will NEVER AGAIN return.

And again, we are certain that no one keeps the Law of Moses because of how many of Moses' precepts depended on Temple sacrifices and the mediation of the Levitical priesthood of Aaron, which went fully extinct at AD 70.

God's law exists today, but it does so within the New Covenant constitution of the Christ and not of Moses. As the apostles decreed at the Council of Jerusalem in Acts chapter 15:
"He made no distinction between us [Hebrews] and them [Gentiles], cleansing their hearts by faith. Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?" [i.e., the yoke listed in verse 15:5: "the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying, 'It is necessary to circumcise them and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses.'"]

For sure, it is NOT necessary to circumcise the flesh and to direct people to observe the Law Covenant of Moses, (As The OP here appears to be doing) for the Council of Jerusalem decreed such in the first century.

Time to Get with the program.