...Do you even believe in Evolution in the first palce?

[AV1611VET]

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!

Don't tell anyone.

Google is their friend.

I'm done with this subject.

 

[AV1611VET]

The bell of truth has never rung louder! Thank you for such an honest, transparent admission of your activity here at CF.

You are very welcome.

Mr. Valentine, who used to post here under another name, and is the author of a very prominent Internet protocol, can now be hoisted by his own petard.

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you live in a bubble?

I bathe with Mr. Bubble:

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Why?

 

[HitchSlap]

You are very welcome.

Mr. Valentine, who used to post here under another name, and is the author of a very prominent Internet protocol, can now be hoisted by his own petard.

At some point in time will you ever come clean, then?

 

[CabVet]

So, did he turn the water into wine or grape juice?

And I still didn't get an answer to my question... It is amazing though how six days has to mean a literal six days, but wine all of a sudden is grape juice (even when the Bible never says not to drink). Inconsistency at its best.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by KWCrazy

I think wine is wine; always has been. If it didn't ferment and produce alcohol, then why is it written in Mark 2:22 "And no man puts new wine into old wineskins: else the new wine does burst the wineskins, and the wine is spilled, and the wineskins will be ruined: but new wine must be put into new wineskins?"
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AVET has gone off the deep end so bad on this "grape juice" talk of his, that I now find myself agreeing 100% with KWCrazy!

Phil is simply drunk on "the Spirit"

NKJV)
1Sa 1:
14 So Eli said to her, "How long will you be drunk? Put your wine away from you!"
15 But Hannah answered and said, "No!, my lord, I [am] a woman of sorrowful spirit.
I have drunk neither wine nor intoxicating drink, but have poured out my soul before the LORD.

Eph 5:18
And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation,
but be filled with the Spirit,

 

[EnemyOfReason]

I think wine is wine; always has been. If it didn't ferment and produce alcohol, then why is it written in Mark 2:22 "And no man puts new wine into old wineskins: else the new wine does burst the wineskins, and the wine is spilled, and the wineskins will be ruined: but new wine must be put into new wineskins?" It's the buildup of carbon dioxide leftove from the fermentation process that would burst the wine bottles. Having made my own wine and brewed my own beer, I'v seen this before. It has been said that the alcohol content was lower then and that may well be depending on the process they used.

In those days the milk wasn't pasteurized and the water wasn't always fresh. Wine would store a long time and remain bacteria free. The Bible says to be not drunk with wine, but it doesn't condemn all consumption. Wine has many health benefits; some of which we are just now discovering. 1 Timothy 5:23, "Drink no longer water only, but use a little wine for your stomach's sake and your frequent illnesses." There is no preclusion to the consumption of wine, only to drunkenness.

What does all of this mean for the modern Christian? If you don't wish to consume alcohol then don't, because the fluids we have to choose from now are cleaner and healthier than 2,000 years ago. If you do wish to consume alcohol in moderation, then there is nothing wrong with it. However, it IS a sin to get drunk and defile the temple of God; which is what your body is considered. If you can't stop at one small glass "for your stomach's sake" then don't touch it at all. There's nothing wrong with either position.

Of course alcohol content would be somewhat due to the poorer production of yeast.
What you are describing is actually a similar situation Egyptians were placed in. Did you know they made a form of beer because of the fact beer lasted longer then bread.

 

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[EnemyOfReason]

And with this discussion, AV has punged into new depths of dumb. You guys are of course free to follow him there.

I thought this was a forum comedy get-together.
You mean to tell me a serious discussion is to take place???

 

[TLK Valentine]

Next to where it says smoking Camel filters is a sin.

Ah, so nowhere, then.

 

[TLK Valentine]

You are very welcome.

Mr. Valentine, who used to post here under another name, and is the author of a very prominent Internet protocol, can now be hoisted by his own petard.

How so, AV? You've admitted to making up falsehoods (that would be lying -- quite the sin) in order to gain attention (that would be vanity -- another sin).

How does wrangling a confession out of you hoise me by my own petard?

 

[TLK Valentine]

I thought this was a forum comedy get-together.
You mean to tell me a serious discussion is to take place???

They're usually serious until AV ruins them.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by TheImmaculateSlaveOfGod

Then please explain to me why Nuh became intoxicated from the win along with the events in which Jesus turned water into wine. It was specifically recorded that these people were intoxicated.
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And with this discussion, AV has punged into new depths of dumb.
You guys are of course free to follow him there.

Pardon me if I don't follow any of y'all

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

The parable of Lazarus and the rich man has been the foundation for many of the erroneous beliefs about "hell" within traditional Christianity.

LUKE 16:
23 "And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom."
26 "And besides all this, between us and ye there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there ferry to us."

The "great gulf" mentioned by Abraham is nothing less than God's blinding in this age of the Jews as a whole to the truth about their Messiah!
It's not that the Jewish nation won't acknowledge Yeshua as the prophesied Messiah; they cannot recognize his true identity because of God's actions!.............




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[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by TheImmaculateSlaveOfGod

I thought this was a forum comedy get-together.
You mean to tell me a serious discussion is to take place???
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They're usually serious until AV ruins them.

I myself enjoy his posts



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[Dave Ellis]

Moses didn't write GEN 1-2, Adam did -- in English.

Wait, what?

I'm not sure if this is an example of Poe's law or not.... but based on some stuff you've said in the past, I actually have no idea if you are being serious.

So are you being serious?

 

[TheBear]

English ~ the lost language of ancient times....

 

[HitchSlap]

-- Oh boy.

Let me guess.

In your opinion, the writer of the book of James was not Jesus' brother ... correct?

Correct, the epistle of James never once mentions that he is the half brother of Jesus, which is odd, since stating so would have given him a certain amount of credibility otherwise not available to the average Joe. In fact, the book of James never mentions any first person accounts of Jesus or even sounds like he knew anyone named Jesus. Of course this makes sense given the fact that James wasn't even penned until about two hundred years after the supposed life of "Jesus."

 

[Michael]

Correct, the epistle of James never once mentions that he is the half brother of Jesus, which is odd, since stating so would have given him a certain amount of credibility otherwise not available to the average Joe.

Since he ran the "Church" in Jerusalem, that "credibility' wasn't likely something he necessarily felt he needed. Why would he run around putting something *obvious* in every single letter he ever wrote?

In fact, the book of James never mentions any first person accounts of Jesus or even sounds like he knew anyone named Jesus.

Apparently the topic of that particular letter wasn't "Jesus".

Of course this makes sense given the fact that James wasn't even penned until about two hundred years after the supposed life of "Jesus."

Do you have any actual physical evidence to support that claim, or are you just playing the fundy atheistic flipside role of the guy that claims that everything in the Bible is authentic and true?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

English ~ the lost language of ancient times....

Thanks to today's internet, we now we have "Babel Fish" to translate that ancient language

Gen 11:9
Therefore its name is called Babel, because there the LORD confused the language of all the land.
And from there the LORD scattered them abroad over the face of all the land.

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[HitchSlap]

rt that claim, or are you just playing the fundy atheistic flipside role of the guy that claims that everything in the Bible is authentic and true?

The earliest extant mss are written in Greek and dated to the late second, early third century. Sorry.

How about you? Got anything written earlier, in Aramaic, by an author who claims to be the brother of Jesus, with personal intimate knowledge of a bloke named "Jesus?"

Or are you one of those guys who believe the bible because the bible says it's true?