Desantis enters Presidential race

[probinson]

Actually, that is what you just did today. I should have been more direct and thought you would get the post. You did not.

I got your weak attempt at a "gotcha". However, I'm trying not to take this thread off topic. If you'd like to talk about this in the other thread, I'll be more than happy to talk about there.

 

[HARK!]

MOD HAT ON

As the OP has expressed, the subject of this thread is Desantis.
Let's try to do a little better at staying on topic.

MOD HAT OFF​

 

[JustOneWay]

https://campaignlegal.org/sites/default/files/2023-05/DeSantis%20Soft%20Money%20Complaint%20%28Final%29.pdf

Nothing to see here but Desantis being hit with an FEC complaint for misappropriating funds.

 

[JustOneWay]

DeSantis quietly signs a bill allowing him to stay governor while running for president

The change will ensure DeSantis can retain his job as Florida's governor even if he loses the GOP nomination or the presidency.

www.businessinsider.com

Nothing to see here except Desantis having Florida law changed so he can keep his governor job after losing the presidential race.

 

[Belk]

You’re right, I should not have responded to an off topic post. My apologies.

What would you like to discuss about Desantis? Who is the topic of this thread.

Given his polling numbers do you think he has a chance in the primary? I'm hoping that the field does not become to crowded. Frankly I would prefer Nicky as a republican candidate but I don't see it happening with the current situation.

 

[Say it aint so]

A march on the Republican convention and attempt to stop the nomination process perhaps?

That would be shocking, but not surprising.

 

[KCfromNC]

Ron DeSantis says he will ‘destroy leftism’ in US if elected president

Governor makes remark to Fox News and predicts two White House terms should he defeat Trump for Republican nomination

www.theguardian.com

Nothing to see here but the candidate planning to use his position in the federal government to "destroy" his political opposition.

 

[hislegacy]

Given his polling numbers do you think he has a chance in the primary? I'm hoping that the field does not become to crowded. Frankly I would prefer Nicky as a republican candidate but I don't see it happening with the current situation.

I think he is the only one with enough name recognition and tract record to compete. There have been a number of key Trump people who have endorsed him

 

[Belk]

I think he is the only one with enough name recognition and tract record to compete. There have been a number of key Trump people who have endorsed him

It makes sense and I certainly would prefer him to Trump. We will see if he can overcome his mistakes to date. Picking a fight with Disney did himself no favors. His moves in the realm of the culture wars have otherwise served him well.

 

[Say it aint so]

The only way DeSantis wins against Trump is if Trump is actually indicted and sent to the Trump wing of Riker's Island where his COO is going to end up again. The Trump statement of shooting someone broad daylight in the middle of Time Square and not lose supporters is a pretty accurate assessment. Coddling Trump won't help DeSantis. Trying to out Trump Trump won't help DeSantis. Attacking Trump won't help DeSantis.

 

[probinson]

I wonder if all DeSantis fans agree that the way he seizes power, the Constitution, ethics and morals be da**ed, is ok.

Firing district attorneys who disagree with his program, forcing cruise ships to disregard public health--and their own liability, dictating what courses public colleges can teach, banning books, attacking the state's biggest employer and tourist attraction and losing their billions dollar office project, etc.

Conservatives seem happy he takes the 'short cut' to protect them, but his imperious, callous, dismissive law unto himself manner means he can turn against them just as easily.

I'm confused. Weren't you all excited when Biden tried to forgive student loan debt by executive action? Is short-cutting only approved by you when your guy is the one doing it?

 

[JustOneWay]

I'm confused. Weren't you all excited when Biden tried to forgive student loan debt by executive action? Is short-cutting only approved by you when your guy is the one doing it?

Can we really compare a unilateral action of trying to forgive student loan debt to unilaterally fire people who oppose his agenda or tell college students what are classes they cannot study? There is no comparison. To better understand, try seeing the proposed action from the perspective of the heart. Forgiving debt is a charitable action, whereas firing somebody for disagreeing is mean spirited and selfish.

 

[wing2000]

“It is time we impose our will on Washington, D.C.,” [Whose will would that be?]

...Desantis speaking at an evangelical church in Des Moines.

In a strident speech, he painted a dark picture of America, saying he would be a salve to a “malignant ideology” that was taking hold across the nation. He described children facing “indoctrination.” He mocked transgender athletes, denounced the “woke Olympics” of diversity programs and reveled in his battle with Disney.

Denouncing ‘Elites’ in Kickoff Speech, DeSantis Vows to ‘Impose Our Will’

In Iowa, Ron DeSantis warned supporters of a “malignant ideology” taking hold across the country, described children facing “indoctrination” and vowed to fight for conservative causes.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Pommer]

“It is time we impose our will on Washington, D.C.,” [Whose will would that be?]

...Desantis speaking at an evangelical church in Des Moines.

In a strident speech, he painted a dark picture of America, saying he would be a salve to a “malignant ideology” that was taking hold across the nation. He described children facing “indoctrination.” He mocked transgender athletes, denounced the “woke Olympics” of diversity programs and reveled in his battle with Disney.

Denouncing ‘Elites’ in Kickoff Speech, DeSantis Vows to ‘Impose Our Will’

In Iowa, Ron DeSantis warned supporters of a “malignant ideology” taking hold across the country, described children facing “indoctrination” and vowed to fight for conservative causes.

www.nytimes.com

This is pure populism, he’s identified the “enemy” and can define it any way he wants, because he’s trying to build a coalition-of-the-angry in this nation.

 

[friend of]

They should consider the cartels as terrorist orgs

 

[Arcangl86]

They should consider the cartels as terrorist orgs

What do you mean by that?

 

[Pommer]

They should consider the cartels as terrorist orgs

Terrorism is usually limited to violence to bring about the things desired to come about by those doing the terrorizing.
If terrorism is a “business model”, then other U.S. Code would likely apply.

 

[KCfromNC]

“It is time we impose our will on Washington, D.C.,” [Whose will would that be?]

Not sure whose Will, exactly, but if history is any guide it will certainly be a Triumph.

 

[probinson]

Can we really compare a unilateral action of trying to forgive student loan debt ...

Yes.

The power of the purse rests with Congress, not executive action from the President. Biden's student loan forgiveness was a (thus far failed) attempt to bypass Congress. A "short cut" if you will.

To better understand, try seeing the proposed action from the perspective of the heart. Forgiving debt is a charitable action, whereas firing somebody for disagreeing is mean spirited and selfish.

You don't get to bypass the legislative process just because you deem it a worthy cause. Checks and balances exist for a reason, and you either support them or you support bypassing them. You don't get to pick and choose when it's OK to bypass them.

 

[JustOneWay]

Yes.

The power of the purse rests with Congress, not executive action from the President. Biden's student loan forgiveness was a (thus far failed) attempt to bypass Congress. A "short cut" if you will.



You don't get to bypass the legislative process just because you deem it a worthy cause. Checks and balances exist for a reason, and you either support them or you support bypassing them. You don't get to pick and choose when it's OK to bypass them.

Executive Order 13767 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This guy bypassed Congress. Your thoughts?