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Discussion in 'Spirit-Filled / Charismatic' started by KleinerApfel, Jan 3, 2008.

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  1. WarEagle

    WarEagle Well-Known Member

    I don't know if you're healed or not. I guess the fact that you're going through it again now is an indication that you're not, but when it happened to me, one of the things that was really brought home to me through the scriptures was that the goal isn't necessarily to be healed, although that would be wonderful and I hope that you are healed, but that it's an opportunity for me to grow in Christ.

    I look back on my experience now and I can see that I grew a lot from it and in a lot of ways that I might not have otherwise.

    I learned to trust in God more, to lean on Christ more, to be more humble, and most important of all, I really learned what Paul said when he said that God's strength is made known in our weakness.

    As somebody who's been there, my advice to you would be, from the physical side, to see a doctor and get help to treat it and beat it so that you're not making your life miserable and, from the spiritual side, to not worry so much about the healing or the end result, but to use it as an opportunity to allow God to work in you.
  2. JAS4Yeshua

    JAS4Yeshua Servant of the Lord Supporter

    Calvary Chapel
    I am sure there is hope, because God says that He has a future and a hope for us (Jeremiah 29:11). Do I know what the hope is in this life? Do I know when it is coming? Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. I trust the Lord at His Word, because I know He is honest, and even if that hope is in the eternal, it still gives me something to cling to even now.

    Often times Michelle will ask "where is the hope?" Often times I find myself wondering what has happened to our lives. Many, many times I wish it would just end, and Christ would return. I get tired with all of Michelle's health issues, and I know she is as well. We both suffer from it. All I can do is cling to the hope of God, pray for deliverance, and rest on the promises of God. It is sometimes a daily battle, especially for Michelle and I.
  3. peacechild4

    peacechild4 My ♥ is hidden in GOD~ want to find me ~ find GOD

    Word of Faith
    Hi Sue,

    I have been reading the most amazing little book.. Called the tongue.. a creation force..

    You must speak life and healing to yourself through Jesus name.. and believe it is done!!

    You say.. I am healed from this.. and keep saying it.. Thanking God for it..

    We can have what we say.. Jesus says this..

    Let the redeemed of the Lord say so,
    'whom he has redeemed from the hand of the enemy.. Psalm 107:2

    A man shall eat good by the fruit of his mouth... Prov 13:2

    Right at the end of the book.. it says..

    I have told my people they can have what they say, but my people are saying what they have..

    Mark 11:24 says.. what things soever you desire when you pray, believe that you receive them and you shall have them!!

    God used words to bring light into the word..

    With our words we either curse or bless..

    You were right to say.. I am healed.. but you have to keep on saying it.. and not say anything that speaks otherwise..

    Yes you might have the feelings and it might very well feel you are not healed.. but we don't live by sight or feelings.. but by the Word of God..

    You are healed.. and you need to speak words that are life and health

    Prov 4:22 says.. my word.. is health (medicine) to all our flesh..

    Speak His Word out of your mouth concerning what God says about healing..

    And what you are saying if you can only believe you can have it!!

    See if you think about it.. we confess our sins to God.. and take Jesus as Lord.. unto salvation right!! We don't see that happening.. but we believe it..

    So it is with healing!!

    If you do not have faith for this.. and faith comes by hearing.. continue to hear.. and speak the Word and you will!!

  4. KleinerApfel

    KleinerApfel When I awake I am still with You

    If it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, swims like a duck...
    why would I not call it a duck?

    If I feel exhausted by normal life, stressed at the smallest extra thing that crops up, cry every day for long periods, see no way for it to improve, then how is that not depression?

    I feel depressed, depression is all about how you feel, it's all about how your mind works, (or doesn't work), so how can pretending I am not misreable make me content?

    I have tried speaking it but I don't believe it so that won't work. I just can't make myself believe I am well when I don't feel well. I know, I know, but that's the way it is.

    We're back to that again aren't we? It is MY OWN FAULT!
  5. lismore

    lismore Legend

    Hey Sue:wave:

    I suffered a severe dose of depression about 9 years ago.

    It acted as a spur to get me out there more. I joined good causes, a church soup kitchen etc as a way of trying to deal with the depression. It worked in a way, because I saw and helped people who had problems a billion times worse than what I could have imagined.

    One example, there are people out there who have not had any human contact for years. I could not have even imagined lonliness like that. Some people would cry because you took a moment to speak with them.

    God Bless You, things will turn.

  6. JAS4Yeshua

    JAS4Yeshua Servant of the Lord Supporter

    Calvary Chapel
    It isn't your fault, Sue. Don't let anyone, not even yourself, tell you otherwise. :(

    You are correct on the other things you are saying, though. Depression is all about how we feel. Just saying things will not automatically make us better. I, too, know this from personal experience. But part of fighting depression is fighting the feelings. We speak the promises of God, trusting in God to do the healing in our lives. We cling to His promises with what little strength we have. When we are depressed, we cry out to Him from the depths.

    There is nothing wrong with admitting you are depressed. David wrote several of the Psalms out of the depths of his depression. Even in the depression, though, He found ways to praise God. It is difficult to do, yes, but we live by faith, and not by feelings.

    I know this is of little to no comfort to you. When we are depressed, all we see is the darkness. I know I feel the same when others tell me these words. All I can encourage you to do is to cling to the promises, and trust in God for the deliverence, whenever it may come. Pray for it to come immediately. Believe it to come immediately. But above all else, trust in Him and praise Him, despite the circumstances.
  7. KleinerApfel

    KleinerApfel When I awake I am still with You

    God bless you.
    Please, please anyone that feels up to saying this to me again over the next day or two, pleasae do so!

    I value everybody's comments here and am sorry i am being really difficult with some of you. I do know that God's word can help me and I do know I mustn't give up, but even saying that is like a slap in the face, even though i say it to myself. I can't seem to tell it to myself in a loving tone, it's all condemnation.

    I am sorry, Peacechild, I was not being nice.

    I listened to the psalms and some rousing worship at work today on my mp3 player. I still wnated to cry, but i had work to do and the folks were around a bit too so I had to keep focussed. I'm very, very tired, and sad about my dog who is looking like he might be heading for a premature end. Vet tomorrow for another blood test but his tonge is the most delicate rose pink and should be much darker - he's severely anaemic and they can't find out why. I don't want to lose Albert yet, he's not that old at 10 years, he should have a few good years yet.

    I should go, after midnight, not sensible to be up late when I'm low.
  8. peacechild4

    peacechild4 My ♥ is hidden in GOD~ want to find me ~ find GOD

    Word of Faith
    Sue I know what I have shared makes people angry because it really seems too simple.. absurd even... I did hesitate for a moment because of that.. but the truth sets us free.. and I cannot help but speak this beautiful truth.. The truth of Gods Word.. It spoke to your heart at one point.. when you believed and came to salvation.. it can speak to you once again and help bring you to health..

    It is isn't about speaking words that work.. it is about speaking what God says from your heart.. This is a choice.. and something you can choose to do..

    God spoke and the world was formed!!!

    Jesus said to many.. your faith has healed you..

    And even if that seems far out.. He also said.. all things are possible to them who believe..

    I love you sis.. and will pray/believe/have faith for your healing!!

    And pray that HIS words.. not mine.. become a revelation in your heart.. and indeed many many many hearts..

    For how great is our salvation.. the salvation offered to every man, woman and child.. if they will only believe..
  9. EnemyPartyII

    EnemyPartyII Well-Known Member

    In Relationship
    Depression has nothing to do with how good or bad a Christian you are.

    Depression is to do with a chemical imbalance in the brain.

    Diabetes is exactly the same, only in a different organ. Wouyld you call a diabetic a bad Christian for having high blood sugar? Of course not.

    And, just like the chemical imbalance that causes diabetes, the chemical imbalance that causes depression can be treated therapeutically, either pharmiceutically or through directed thought therapies... there IS help around for you... PLEASE seek it!
  10. peacechild4

    peacechild4 My ♥ is hidden in GOD~ want to find me ~ find GOD

    Word of Faith
    Sue you are speaking from what you know.. and have come to believe.. that is okay I love you.. I am really pressing in and have been for awhile, you can check Healing Ministry forum for alot of what I have found and am sharing.. Listening and meditating much on what God says.. and even before I see I know that it is possible!

    I don't intend to stop now.. Ha.. God is good.. and once we know the good news.. we are supposed to share it aren't we!!
  11. Shizzle

    Shizzle Senior Member

    Word of Faith
  12. Svt4Him

    Svt4Him Legend Supporter

    I have no idea if it's your fault, nor do I have any idea of what kind of Christian you are.

    Depression is a lonely road, and it's lonelier when you think you're the only one on it. That is why it's best to see a doctor to help you out. You may hate pills, I hate needles, but I have to take them if needed, because the alternative is worse.
  13. peacechild4

    peacechild4 My ♥ is hidden in GOD~ want to find me ~ find GOD

    Word of Faith
    This is what was written on my desktop calandar today (Streams in the Desert by Mrs Charles E. Cowan) Jan 4th Australian time.. It is one that you use year after year.. it was my Grandmother's and she is now with Jesus.. I have it now!!

    Ohhh.. amazing.. I hardly ever remember to turn that little calandar over.. and yet today I did and this is what it says.. I just thought.. yep... This is for Sue too and I must come back and post it on her thread..

    Jesus saith unto him, Go thy way; thy son liveth. And the man believed the word that Jesus had spoken unto him, and he went his way. John 4:50

    Faith is not a sense, nor sight, nor reason, but a taking of God at His word!

    Oh man.. the presence of God is all over me as I write this.. To God be the glory.. \0/ Ha.. my son saw me in the kitchen with my hands in the air.. he is not at this place yet.. so he doesn't understand.. but ohh man when Gods presence is on you.. You cannot just stand still without praising Him!!

    Ha.. Oh LORD let us just come under that... the truth fall on us.. and the freedom of it.. let us loose.. Let us praise You for it.. For ALL you have done for us..

    Let us believe LORD.. and it will be done..

    Not just so we get it.. whatever we are believing for.. but that You get the glory because of us getting it..

  14. Chaplain David

    Chaplain David CF Chaplain Staff Member Chaplain Supporter Recovery Team

    I hope no one tells you that you are a crap Christian because it surely would not help. You're not one depressed or not. My depression comes back sometimes but I've learned Christ loves me all the time, not just when I'm doing well and hitting all my marks. He's carried you before and is carrying you right now. It's just sometimes we need some help. It could be a variety of things. Don't forget medical providers were put on earth by the Lord to help and care for us just like every other good trade. And there's holistic stuff and your Christian brothers and sisters, and your Church and Church family and there's prayer. Hang tight with other Christians that can help support you during this time as you would help support them if they needed it. God bless you and I just prayed for you too.
  15. ANM29

    ANM29 Well-Known Member

    It is very real. I dealt with it off and on for years. God delivered me from it. But, I am kind of glad I experienced it because it allowed me to be able to feel the infirmities of others. It is very, very real. But, I also learned to depend on God's strength in those times. It taught me to put NO confidence in this flesh......None...All my strength comes from him...All of it.......

    I went to this church God lead me to and this Prophet called me out and told me that God was going to deliver me from it and he did...But, sometimes you just have to go through the fire...I learned the most about God and became more closer to him in some of my worse situations......It was good for me that I was afflicted.....

    It is not even so much about speaking the word, as it is about believing the word and that God will use this situation in your life for his ultimate Glory..

    Speaking the word when you are depressed is almost impossible in the first place..You are so depressed you don't even want to see the bible............You have to cry out to God, for his presence......What you are yearning for is the presence of God..........
  16. NewSong

    NewSong ♪♫♫♪♫

    MY dear sister! You do not deliberately do this to yourself. Please don't beat yourself up. Thank you for posting so we can pray and encourage you during this dark period in your life.

    I can totally relate to what you go through and I want you to know that I understand the self-berating...and then it only makes it worse....

    Please don't badmouth God's favourite daughter-yes you! You mean everything to HIM and whatever you are going through, HE will bring you through it again. It is so hard to see the light at the end when you're in the middle of the worst pain and darkness ever. Dearest sister, I am praying for you.

    You are not to condemn yourself any more....God don't condemn you for what you are going through either.

    :hug:'s dearest sister.
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  18. Didaskalos

    Didaskalos He is Lord Of ALL Supporter

    United States
    Dear dear sister....
    As I read your words... thoughts and feelings come to my heart and soul. Some very old... some more recent. There was anger, there was pain, there was deep sadness. Then I realized what and why.
    I do not know how or why this relates to you. But I may not be around here much longer, and I want to share this with you while I can.
    When I was a child... from as early as I can remember right up to the time my mother died when I was 13... my parents would fight. As long as they were sober everything was fine. There was love, affection, and even romance. But when the booze came out and they started drinking.. the fights would start. At first there was just fussing and mean comments. Then it would escalate to yelling and then screaming. Then the physical abuse would start. I would hear the slaps, then pounding, and the cries of pain and sorrow in the next room. As a very little child I would lay in my bed at night terrified and weeping as the two most important people in my life suffered at the drunken cruelty of each others words and hands. It would end when he physically dragged her into the bedroom and left her there weeping. Then I would hear the family car pull away only to return at some point later after I had fallen asleep. This went on two or three times a week for years.
    What does a small child do when he is exposed to this for such a long period of time. He shuts it out. After my mother died of alcohol poisoning much of this actually disappeared from my heart and mind. The pain and sorrow submerged it down into dark and secured places... and it seems to be gone. But it is not. It is in there. That little boy did not have the strength and power to deal with that pain.. so he just hid it away. It is natures way of protecting his little heart and mind from something that he cannot handle. But it does not go away.
    Later in life.. things begin to happen as that little boy becomes a man. In his twenties he grows stronger in character and understanding. And he beings to detect something down deep... something he cannot identify or even give a form to. It is not until he is near to thirty years that things begin to surface. Dreams, thoughts, flashbacks. The sounds of the screaming.. the little boy with his head under the pillow crying. At first he just revisits the pain and sorrow... but then he gets angry. How could they do that? How could they not only hurt each other week after week.. year after year? And how could they do that to the little boy? Finally after months of dealing with the issue he finds peace. He is older now. He is strong enough to pull out all those pains and sorrows and deal with them. He realized his parents were only human. They had weaknesses, failings, and pressures just like we do. And they did have love. But a little boy cannot rationalize this. All he hears is the screamings, the obscenities, and the sound of the punches and body hitting the floor. And while it takes time to forgive and understand... he does. And all that submerged pain and sorrow begins to drift away back into the past where it belonged.
    Finally there is peace. It took many years.... but it happened.

    Again.. I do not know if this means anything to you. But you are not alone. We all hurt and are sad. You are not alone.
  19. peacechild4

    peacechild4 My ♥ is hidden in GOD~ want to find me ~ find GOD

    Word of Faith
    Yes this is a good response!!

    Must be connected to the source.. Life source..

    John 1:1
    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    John 6:63
    The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.

    That is why people.. God puts His people in the gap.. for one in His body who is weak.. the strength can keep flowing to all parts.. His strength is made perfect in our weakness..

    Much like a branch that is cut off or feels cut off from the vine.. the branch is grafted in... held in place till the life force flows once again from the branch..

    Father God thank You for Sue.. Father so much a part of Your body!! Father what one has.. all has.. depression is not a part of Your body!! Father let Your Spirit reveal His truth to Sue.. So that she resists this and the full life force flows through her.. Father we are complete In and through Him.. there is nothing broken.. nothing missing.. Father I stand in the gap.. as do others.. For Sue to receive and have complete deliverance from this.. I believe there is no depression.. Nothing that separates her from You and all You have for her.. Father thank You.. for healing her and filling her with Your Spirit.. and that in all things.. and in all ways she is one with You.. and all things belong to her.. She is complete in You.. and joy flows into every part.. To You be all the glory.. forever and ever.. amen
  20. merryheart

    merryheart bookworm nerdgirl

    Not your fault. There are things you can do to help yourself - but you did not ask for this!

    When I am depressed, one thing I do is to counter the negatives with this thought:

    "This is not *me* that feels this way - this is (insert your own issue... pain, pms, hormones, SAD....) talking. The real me doesn't believe that (insert negative) and when I get through this I will know it!"

    The other thing is to plead for Jesus to hold me in His arms and rock me like a baby. (sometimes He does)
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