Democrat Appellate Judge overturns half billion dollar fine

[Vambram]

It's not fraud if you get away with it. OK.

How can it be fraud when the banks did their own appraisal of Trump's real estate in Mar-a-Lago and the banks are completely happy with the repayments of the loan? Therefore, there was not fraud.

 

[durangodawood]

The progressive left wing liberal judge said he committed fraud. This is yet another example of the weaponization of lawfare during the years of the Biden administration.

What was it about the evidence that was wrong?

 

[Vambram]

What was it about the evidence that was wrong?

That has already been discussed ad nauseum. I am not going to repeat myself.

 

[Say it aint so]

The progressive left wing liberal judge said he committed fraud. This is yet another example of the weaponization of lawfare during the years of the Biden administration.

New York Consolidated Laws, Executive Law - EXC § 63.​

12. Whenever any person shall engage in repeated fraudulent or illegal acts or otherwise demonstrate persistent fraud or illegality in the carrying on, conducting or transaction of business, the attorney general may apply, in the name of the people of the state of New York, to the supreme court of the state of New York, on notice of five days, for an order enjoining the continuance of such business activity or of any fraudulent or illegal acts, directing restitution and damages and, in an appropriate case, cancelling any certificate filed under and by virtue of the provisions of section four hundred forty of the former penal law  2 or section one hundred thirty of the general business law, and the court may award the relief applied for or so much thereof as it may deem proper. The word “fraud” or “fraudulent” as used herein shall include any device, scheme or artifice to defraud and any deception, misrepresentation, concealment, suppression, false pretense, false promise or unconscionable contractual provisions. The term “persistent fraud” or “illegality” as used herein shall include continuance or carrying on of any fraudulent or illegal act or conduct. The term “repeated” as used herein shall include repetition of any separate and distinct fraudulent or illegal act, or conduct which affects more than one person. Notwithstanding any law to the contrary, all monies recovered or obtained under this subdivision by a state agency or state official or employee acting in their official capacity shall be subject to subdivision eleven of section four of the state finance law.​

Well no, this appellate court let that decision stand. The man was literally cooking his books when inflating his assets for lower rates and premiums, and lowering them for tax purposes.

 

[Vambram]

New York Consolidated Laws, Executive Law - EXC § 63.​

12. Whenever any person shall engage in repeated fraudulent or illegal acts or otherwise demonstrate persistent fraud or illegality in the carrying on, conducting or transaction of business, the attorney general may apply, in the name of the people of the state of New York, to the supreme court of the state of New York, on notice of five days, for an order enjoining the continuance of such business activity or of any fraudulent or illegal acts, directing restitution and damages and, in an appropriate case, cancelling any certificate filed under and by virtue of the provisions of section four hundred forty of the former penal law  2 or section one hundred thirty of the general business law, and the court may award the relief applied for or so much thereof as it may deem proper. The word “fraud” or “fraudulent” as used herein shall include any device, scheme or artifice to defraud and any deception, misrepresentation, concealment, suppression, false pretense, false promise or unconscionable contractual provisions. The term “persistent fraud” or “illegality” as used herein shall include continuance or carrying on of any fraudulent or illegal act or conduct. The term “repeated” as used herein shall include repetition of any separate and distinct fraudulent or illegal act, or conduct which affects more than one person. Notwithstanding any law to the contrary, all monies recovered or obtained under this subdivision by a state agency or state official or employee acting in their official capacity shall be subject to subdivision eleven of section four of the state finance law.​

Well no, this appellate court let that decision stand. The man was literally cooking his books when inflating his assets for lower rates and premiums, and lowering them for tax purposes.

Trump did not inflate his assets. The banks made their own appraisal of Trump properties and they gladly made those loans to him, and would gladly do so again.

 

[A2SG]

How can it be fraud when the banks did their own appraisal of Trump's real estate in Mar-a-Lago and the banks are completely happy with the repayments of the loan? Therefore, there was not fraud.

Y'know, it's said that John Dillinger was so polite and respectful to the bank employees he was robbing that many of them felt he shouldn't have been arrested for the crime at all.

-- A2SG, just a random historical trivia tidbit....

 

[Pommer]

The progressive left wing liberal judge said he committed fraud. This is yet another example of the weaponization of lawfare during the years of the Biden administration.

Two one assertion, is incomplete, and the other perpetuates the “always-the-victim“ motif of Donald Trump and the only proof is that you’ve decided that this is somehow “evidence”?
Sure, why not!?

 

[Vambram]

Two one assertion, is incomplete, and the other perpetuates the “always-the-victim“ motif of Donald Trump and the only proof is that you’ve decided that this is somehow “evidence”?
Sure, why not!?

Judge who fined Trump $500M gets the books thrown at him

Judge Arthur Engoron's $500 million fine against Donald Trump was rejected by an appellate court, with no portion of the judgment preserved.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Pommer]

Trump wins major victory: Appeals court overturns NYC civil fraud judgment​

The decision came seven months after the Republican returned to the White House. A five-judge panel of New York's Appellate Division concluded that the $515 million judgment—originally set at $355 million plus interest—was "excessive" and unconstitutional under the Eighth Amendment.​

There’s (at least) one more round, the State will appeal to the NY Court of Appeals, the final decider, and unless a Constitutional Right was involved, unreviewable by SCOTUS, since State Court rulings are usually sacrosanct.
Oh some lawfare can scape up a rights violation, somewhere, so it’s 50-50 if The Nine will get a say.

 

[Vambram]

Judge who fined Trump $500M gets the books thrown at him

Judge Arthur Engoron's $500 million fine against Donald Trump was rejected by an appellate court, with no portion of the judgment preserved.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Vambram]

New York defense attorney argues legal system was weaponized against Trump

New York defense attorney and political commentator Arthur Aidala said that President Donald Trump faced a clear weaponization of the legal system against him.

www.foxnews.com

 

[A2SG]

Judge who fined Trump $500M gets the books thrown at him

Judge Arthur Engoron's $500 million fine against Donald Trump was rejected by an appellate court, with no portion of the judgment preserved.

www.foxnews.com

"Gets the book thrown at him"?? Leave it to Fox News to misrepresent what actually happened.

Fact is, the appeals court tossed the amount of the judgment. Period. They did not reverse the verdict. Trump is still guilty of fraud.

New York defense attorney argues legal system was weaponized against Trump

New York defense attorney and political commentator Arthur Aidala said that President Donald Trump faced a clear weaponization of the legal system against him.

www.foxnews.com

Yeah, defense attorneys say stuff like that all the time. It's notable that no court has ruled that.

-- A2SG, until and unless that happens, Trump remains guilty of fraud.....