Daily Christian Universalist Verses

[BNR32FAN]

No punishment is NOT always temporary! Your proof text is talking about nations in this world. There ain't no nations in the grave or sheol.. Was the flood temporary? Was Sodom and Gomorrah, temporary? Were all the nations that Israel destroyed when they entered the promised land, temporary?

Jeremiah 13:11-14
(11) For as the girdle cleaveth to the loins of a man, so have I caused to cleave unto me the whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah, saith Jehovah; that they may be unto me for a people, and for a name, and for a praise, and for a glory: but they would not hear.
(12) Therefore thou shalt speak unto them this word: Thus saith Jehovah, the God of Israel, Every bottle shall be filled with wine: and they shall say unto thee, Do we not certainly know that every bottle shall be filled with wine?
(13) Then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith Jehovah, Behold, I will fill all the inhabitants of this land, even the kings that sit upon David's throne, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, with drunkenness.
(14) And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith Jehovah: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have compassion, that I should not destroy them​

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I’m sure the residents of Sodom & Gomorrah would’ve loved the universalist theology. That would’ve been music to their itchy ears.

 

[Der Alte]

I’m sure the residents of Sodom & Gomorrah would’ve loved the universalist theology. That would’ve been music to their itchy ears.

Likewise the antediluvians [fancy shmancy way of saying preflood].

 

[BNR32FAN]

Likewise the antediluvians [fancy shmancy way of saying preflood].

Ahh I learned something new today, not sure how long I’ll retain that information but if I see that word a half a dozen more times in the near future I just might remember it. Lol

 

[HSong]

I started making this list for a friend and fellow Christian Universalist, 2nd Timothy Group, but decided it might be useful for others too, so I'm posting it publicly.



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Hello. I would originally post a Christian Universalist verse daily on the Tentmaker Universalism site. However, a Cloudflare error has caused the site to go down, specificially "Table './hopebey1_tentmaker_forum/smf_messages' is marked as crashed and should be repaired" I was posting daily...

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Hi all. Starting today, I will be posting a Bible verse on here that demonstrates Universal Reconciliation, Universalism, that God will save everyone through His Son Jesus Christ who died on the cross for all of our sins, the wages of which were death. Everyone will go to Heaven as the Lord...

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That's all I have currently. Feel free to comment down below any that I missed

 

[Deafsilence]

Yes, I wondering what software to use for the conferencing if we all get on a call. I know some may want to maintain privacy and just chat and some maybe on video and such so wondering what software does all that while being accessible via computer and phone. I know many of the "free" offering seem to shut off in like 40 minutes or such. Doesn't really allow much time. Anyone with experience in that regard?

 

[ozso]

I’m sure the residents of Sodom & Gomorrah would’ve loved the universalist theology. That would’ve been music to their itchy ears.

Do you think with in the state they were in they'd be all excited over going to a place that's all about worshiping and serving God in total righteousness?

 

[ozso]

Here's what looks like an interesting movie I came across called Hell and Mr. Fudge (2012).

Storyline:
"In the mid-1970's, Edward Fudge, a young preacher in Athens Alabama, is approached by an eccentric Australian man who offers to hire him to prove whether or not an eternally burning Hell exists. Raised by a father who was a well loved,fundamentalist church leader, Fudge personally believes in a conservative theology which promotes the notion that people who are not saved will suffer torment in hell for eternity. But Fudge, a respected theologian and researcher, agrees to set his preconceptions aside and dedicate a year of his life to do a systematic investigation of the subject, for the small fee of $3000.00. As Fudge immerses himself in research, other aspects of his life begin to crumble. He comes under attack from leaders of his denomination for suggesting that members of other denominations may be saved. He is fired from the church he loves for inviting a black man to pray from the podium. He is fired from the publishing company he's worked for since childhood, because he refuses to recant his positions. He becomes so committed to his research that his relationship with his wife and children begin to suffer. And, most importantly, in the course of his investigation some of his core beliefs about the character of God are shaken from their foundations. Ultimately, Fudge emerges as a defender of faith and Scripture, and a champion for God's love. Today Edward Fudge is a well-respected author, lecturer, and theologian. The book that resulted from his research, "The Fire That Consumes", is one of the most exhaustive studies on the subject of Hell and eternal torment. It stands as a testimony to a man who had the courage to search for truth, and to pay the price for what he found.—Brian Phillip Stoddard" Hell and Mr. Fudge (2012) - IMDb

 

[HSong]

JEREMIAH 31:34 No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, "Know the Lord," because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest. (NIV)

They will all know God. Everyone will know the truth that everyone will be saved. Every neighbor will be saved. Every man will be a believer in Christ. Every brother will already know the Lord. The least and the greatest, both will be in Heaven through the holy blood of Jesus Christ that washes away all sin for those who believe. Thus, everyone will believe in Him.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Do you think with in the state they were in they'd be all excited over going to a place that's all about worshiping and serving God in total righteousness?

As opposed to the alternative place, yes I do.

 

[ozso]

As opposed to the alternative place, yes I do.

A lot of sinners are told all they have to do is believe in Jesus and they'll go to heaven, and yet most turn down the offer. And they know what hell is supposed to be like.

 

[Der Alte]

JEREMIAH 31:34 No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, "Know the Lord," because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest. (NIV)
They will all know God. Everyone will know the truth that everyone will be saved. Every neighbor will be saved. Every man will be a believer in Christ. Every brother will already know the Lord. The least and the greatest, both will be in Heaven through the holy blood of Jesus Christ that washes away all sin for those who believe. Thus, everyone will believe in Him.

Jeremiah 13:11-14
(11) For as the girdle cleaveth to the loins of a man, so have I caused to cleave unto me the whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah, saith the LORD; that they might be unto me for a people, and for a name, and for a praise, and for a glory: but they would not hear.
(12) Therefore thou shalt speak unto them this word; Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Every bottle shall be filled with wine: and they shall say unto thee, Do we not certainly know that every bottle shall be filled with wine?
(13) Then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will fill all the inhabitants of this land, even the kings that sit upon David's throne, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, with drunkenness.
(14) And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.​

 

[HSong]

A lot of sinners are told all they have to do is believe in Jesus

Yes, this is because all you have to do is believe in Jesus and you will be saved. Since everyone will become believers in Christ, everyone will be saved.

1 Corinthians 15:22 "In Christ shall all be made alive"
John 12:32 "And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."

 

[HSong]

JEREMIAH 32:27, 32, 37, 40 I am the Lord, the God of all mankind. Is anything too hard for me? ...The people of Israel and Judas have provoked me by all the evil they have done ...I will surely gather them from all the lands where I banish them in my furies anger and great wrath ...I will make an everlasting covenant with them: I will never stop doing good to them. (NIV)

God will never stop doing good to all of us. He will save us all because that is good and He will never stop.

 

[Der Alte]

Yes, this is because all you have to do is believe in Jesus and you will be saved. Since everyone will become believers in Christ, everyone will be saved.
1 Corinthians 15:22 "In Christ shall all be made alive"
John 12:32 "And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."

Jesus speaking,

Matthew 7:21-23
(21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.​

Jesus did not say everyone will enter the kingdom of heaven. Jesus said, "Not every one shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. Many, not a few, will say to Jesus, on judgement day, have we not in thy name done many wonderful works? But Jesus will say to them I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. When Jesus says never, He means never not someday by and by.

 

[HSong]

LAMENTATIONS 3:31-33 For men are not cast off by the Lord forever. Though he may punish cruelly, yet he will have compassion in the fullness of his love; he does not willingly afflict or punish any mortal man.



No one will suffer forever. Eventually, everyone will be happy. God is a God of love, He wishes everyone to be happy. Therefore, in His bountiful loving compassion, everyone will come to Him for salvation.

 

[Der Alte]

LAMENTATIONS 3:31-33 For men are not cast off by the Lord forever. Though he may punish cruelly, yet he will have compassion in the fullness of his love; he does not willingly afflict or punish any mortal man.
No one will suffer forever. Eventually, everyone will be happy. God is a God of love, He wishes everyone to be happy. Therefore, in His bountiful loving compassion, everyone will come to Him for salvation.

Lamentations 2:2​

(2) The Lord [YHWH] hath swallowed up all the habitations of Jacob, and hath not pitied: he hath thrown down in his wrath the strong holds of the daughter of Judah; he hath brought them down to the ground: he hath polluted the kingdom and the princes thereof.​

Lamentations 2:3​

(3) He [God] hath cut off in his fierce anger all the horn of Israel: he hath drawn back his right hand from before the enemy, and he burned against Jacob like a flaming fire, which devoureth round about.​

Lamentations 2:5​

(5) The Lord [Adonai] was as an enemy: he hath swallowed up Israel, he hath swallowed up all her palaces: he hath destroyed his strong holds, and hath increased in the daughter of Judah mourning and lamentation.​

Lamentations 2:7​

(7) The Lord [Adonai] hath cast off his altar, he hath abhorred his sanctuary, he hath given up into the hand of the enemy the walls of her palaces; they have made a noise in the house of the LORD,[YHWH] as in the day of a solemn feast.​

Lamentations 4:16​

(16) The anger of the LORD hath divided them; he will no more regard them: they respected not the persons of the priests, they favoured not the elders.​

[last verse] Lamentations 5:22​

(22) But thou [God] hast utterly rejected us; thou art very wroth against us.​

 

[Der Alte]

LAMENTATIONS 3:31-33 For men are not cast off by the Lord forever. Though he may punish cruelly, yet he will have compassion in the fullness of his love; he does not willingly afflict or punish any mortal man.
No one will suffer forever. Eventually, everyone will be happy. God is a God of love, He wishes everyone to be happy. Therefore, in His bountiful loving compassion, everyone will come to Him for salvation.

I have read the end of the book. Evidently you have not.

Revelation 21:4​

(4) And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.​

Next to last chapter in the Bible. Vs. 4 no more death.

Revelation 21:8​

(8) But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.​

But 4 vss. later 8 groups of sinners are thrown into the Lake of Fire [LOF] which is still called "the second death." If there is no more death after vs. 4, then these 8 groups of sinners, in the LOF, do not die.

Revelation 22:11​

(11) He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.​

Vs. 11, ten more vss. the end. no more death! no more salvation only! "he which is filthy, let him be filthy still."

 

[HSong]

EZEKIEL 18:23 Have I any desire, says the Lord God, for the death of a wicked man? Will I not rather that he should mend his ways and live?

God has no desire in the death of the wicked. The wicked will be saved, not destroyed. God hopes to save the whole world through Jesus Christ, and God’s hopes and desires are always fulfilled.

 

[Der Alte]

EZEKIEL 18:23 Have I any desire, says the Lord God, for the death of a wicked man? Will I not rather that he should mend his ways and live?
God has no desire in the death of the wicked. The wicked will be saved, not destroyed. God hopes to save the whole world through Jesus Christ, and God’s hopes and desires are always fulfilled.

Ezekiel 14:9-10
(9) And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.
(10) And they shall bear the punishment of their iniquity: the punishment of the prophet shall be even as the punishment of him that seeketh unto him;
Ezekiel 18:24
(24) But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
Ezekiel 21:31-32
(31) And I will pour out mine indignation upon thee, I will blow against thee in the fire of my wrath, and deliver thee into the hand of brutish men, and skilful to destroy.
(32) Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.
Ezekiel 22:30
(30) And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none.
Ezekiel 25:7
(7) Behold, therefore I will stretch out mine hand upon thee, and will deliver thee for a spoil to the heathen; and I will cut thee off from the people, and I will cause thee to perish out of the countries: I will destroy thee; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD.
Ezekiel 25:15-16
(15) Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because the Philistines have dealt by revenge, and have taken vengeance with a despiteful heart, to destroy it for the old hatred;
(16) Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will stretch out mine hand upon the Philistines, and I will cut off the Cherethims, and destroy the remnant of the sea coast.
Ezekiel 28:16
(16) By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Ezekiel 34:16
(16) I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment.​

 

[Saint Steven]

I’m sure the residents of Sodom & Gomorrah would’ve loved the universalist theology. That would’ve been music to their itchy ears.

Sarcasm aside, check this out.

This is a rather long, but interesting, citation about the restoration of Sodom and Gomorrah, Ammon and Moab, Elam, Egypt and Edom. The bit about Edom is most interesting. It discusses the use of exaggerated language (to make a point) in biblical literature. Meaning, it is not to be taken literally.

The restoration of Sodom and Gomorrah from "eternal" fire Jude 1:7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. Zephaniah 2:9 Therefore, as surely as I live,” declares the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, “surely Moab will become like Sodom, the Ammonites like Gomorrah— a place of weeds and salt pits, a wasteland forever. The remnant of my people will plunder them; the survivors of my nation will inherit their land.” Ezekiel 16:53 “‘However, I will restore the fortunes of Sodom and her daughters and of Samaria and her daughters, and your fortunes along with them...

The restoration of Ammon and Moab Zephaniah 2:9 Therefore, as surely as I live,” declares the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, “surely Moab will become like Sodom, the Ammonites like Gomorrah— a place of weeds and salt pits, a wasteland forever. The remnant of my people will plunder them; the survivors of my nation will inherit their land.” Jeremiah 25:22, 27 21 Edom, Moab and Ammon; ... 27 “Then tell them, ‘This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says:
Drink, get drunk and vomit, and fall to rise no more because of the sword I will send among you.’ Jeremiah 49:6 “Yet afterward, I will restore the fortunes of the Ammonites,” declares the Lord. Jeremiah 48:4, 47 4 Moab will be broken; her little ones will cry out. 47 “Yet I will restore the fortunes of Moab in days to come,” declares the Lord. Here ends the judgment on Moab.


The restoration of Elam Jeremiah 25:25, 27 25 all the kings of Zimri, Elam and Media; ... 27 “Then tell them, ‘This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Drink, get drunk and vomit, and fall to rise no more because of the sword I will send among you.’ Jeremiah 49:39 “Yet I will restore the fortunes of Elam in days to come,” declares the Lord.


The restoration of Egypt
Jeremiah 25:19, 27 19 Pharaoh king of Egypt, his attendants, his officials and all his people, ... 27 “Then tell them, ‘This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Drink, get drunk and vomit, and fall to rise no more because of the sword I will send among you.’ Ezekiel 29:13-14 “‘Yet this is what the Sovereign Lord says: At the end of forty years I will gather the Egyptians from the nations where they were scattered. 14 I will bring them back from captivity and return them to Upper Egypt, the land of their ancestry. There they will be a lowly kingdom.

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Edom

Edom was an ancient kingdom in Transjordan located between Moab to the northeast, the Arabah to the west and the Arabian Desert to the south and east. Most of its former territory is now divided between Israel and Jordan.

The destruction of Edom uses the same exaggerated language descriptions as hell in the Bible. Yet none of it lasted forever as it clearly says. And you can certainly pass through it today. For this prophecy to be taken literally it would need to be a smoking tar pit today with a bypass to get around it. Compare verse ten below. (Revelation 14:11)

Isaiah 34:8-11 For the Lord has a day of vengeance, a year of retribution, to uphold Zion’s cause. 9 Edom’s streams will be turned into pitch, her dust into burning sulfur; her land will become blazing pitch! 10 It will not be quenched night or day; its smoke will rise forever. From generation to generation it will lie desolate; no one will ever pass through it again. 11 The desert owl and screech owl will possess it; the great owl and the raven will nest there. God will stretch out over Edom the measuring line of chaos and the plumb line of desolation.