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HABAKKUK 1:5 Loom ... and watch-and be utterly amazed. For I am going to do something in your days that you would not believe, even if you were told. (NIV)

If someone told you that all of the dead will be resurrected, that all suffering will cease, all illness cured and all trouble gone. All of that and more is possible through Christ Jesus. Even some Christians struggle to believe in Universal Salvation do to how utterly amazing it is. But it’s true, everything God says is true and God says that all will be saved.

John 12:32 "And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."

It is true that salvation is by faith alone, not of good works. One only needs to believe in Christ to be saved. The truth is that, eventually, everyone of their own free will shall have faith in Christ and thus the entire world will become believers in Christ, allowing everyone to go to Heaven. All going to Heaven through faith alone in Jesus Christ.
 
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HABAKKUK 1:5 Loom ... and watch-and be utterly amazed. For I am going to do something in your days that you would not believe, even if you were told. (NIV)
If someone told you that all of the dead will be resurrected, that all suffering will cease, all illness cured and all trouble gone. All of that and more is possible through Christ Jesus. Even some Christians struggle to believe in Universal Salvation do to how utterly amazing it is. But it’s true, everything God says is true and God says that all will be saved.
John 12:32 "And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."
It is true that salvation is by faith alone, not of good works. One only needs to believe in Christ to be saved. The truth is that, eventually, everyone of their own free will shall have faith in Christ and thus the entire world will become believers in Christ, allowing everyone to go to Heaven. All going to Heaven through faith alone in Jesus Christ.
And yet another out-of-context proof text. Let us read this vs. in its proper context.
Habakkuk 1:5-6
(5) Behold ye among the heathen, and regard, and wonder marvellously: for I will work a work in your days, which ye will not believe, though it be told you.
(6) For, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans, that bitter and hasty nation, which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwellingplaces that are not theirs.​
It has nothing to do with all the dead being resurrected. Vs. 6 clearly states that the marvellously wonder, work God was going to do was raise up the Chaldeans and they will punish Israel.
 
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HABAKKUK 2:3 The revelation awaits an appointed time; it speaks of the end and will not prove false. Though it linger, wait for it; it will certainly come and will not delay. (NIV)

This revelation is that all will be saved. While not everyone knows it, everyone will at the end. It is God’s will to save all.
 
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HABAKKUK 2:3 The revelation awaits an appointed time; it speaks of the end and will not prove false. Though it linger, wait for it; it will certainly come and will not delay. (NIV)
This revelation is that all will be saved. While not everyone knows it, everyone will at the end. It is God’s will to save all.
Still more out-of-context proof texts. Hab 2:3 says nothing about "all will be saved!"
Habakkuk 2:3-4
(3) For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.
(4) Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.​
God did NOT say all will live. God said only a certain group shall live, i.e. "the just." "the just shall live by his faith" but the converse is "the unjust shall not live for he has no faith."
 
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And yet another out-of-context proof text. Let us read this vs. in its proper context.

(5) Behold ye among the heathen, and regard, and wonder marvellously: for I will work a work in your days, which ye will not believe, though it be told you.

(6) For, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans, that bitter and hasty nation, which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwellingplaces that are not theirs.
It has nothing to do with all the dead being resurrected. Vs. 6 clearly states that the marvellously wonder, work God was going to do was raise up the Chaldeans and they will punish Israel.

Doesn't God want us to understand the "good" in His Good News and to enjoy the fruits of the Holy Spirit of love, joy and peace rather than the negativity of your endless copypasta about hell, torture and whatever else you sadly believe in?

I'm worried that your joyless message about Christ and your emphasis on eternal burning, although I see the attraction of an everlasting fuel source in our current fuel crisis, will make church services so depressing that many of the congregation will flock to the local Depressives Anonymous instead to get some light relief and some festive Christmas cheer.

Wasn't it Sidrach, Misach, or Abdenago who warned about the dangers of paying Satan and hell too much attention or am I thinking about some other guy?
 
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Doesn't God want us to understand the "good" in His Good News and to enjoy the fruits of the Holy Spirit of love, joy and peace rather than the negativity of your endless copypasta about hell, torture and whatever else you sadly believe in?
I'm worried that your joyless message about Christ and your emphasis on eternal burning, although I see the attraction of an everlasting fuel source in our current fuel crisis, will make church services so depressing that many of the congregation will flock to the local Depressives Anonymous instead to get some light relief and some festive Christmas cheer.
Wasn't it Sidrach, Misach, or Abdenago who warned about the dangers of paying Satan and hell too much attention or am I thinking about some other guy?
Question for you. Can you refute any of my posts in this thread?
You mention church services. How many sermons which were about or even mentioned hell have you actually attended?
In my 5+ decades as a Christian I only know of one sermon which referred to hell. I preached in the early '90s. The title was "Lessons from Hell University."
I believe in what Jesus taught about "eternal punishment" Matthew 25:46. I also believe Jeremiah 13:11-14, Matthew 7:21-23, Romans 1:24, 26, 28. Unlike a lot of folks I don't ignore them.
 
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Question for you. Can you refute any of my posts in this thread?

Easy. I can do it while standing on my head and drinking a glass of water too if that would make a difference, and have done many times, but if your question is can I refute it enough for you then probably not.

You mention church services. How many sermons which were about or even mentioned hell have you actually attended?

A couple only.

In my 5+ decades as a Christian I only know of one sermon which referred to hell. I preached in the early '90s. The title was "Lessons from Hell University."

I'm not sure what you're saying. Is it that there should be more or less sermons on hell? I'm assuming more.

I like the title of your sermon btw and I'd be interested in hearing what its main points were and what you felt the congregation's reaction was. Does this uni offer post-grad opportunities for the more serious and studious hell students?
 
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Easy. I can do it while standing on my head and drinking a glass of water too if that would make a difference, and have done many times, but if your question is can I refute it enough for you then probably not.
A couple only.
I'm not sure what you're saying. Is it that there should be more or less sermons on hell? I'm assuming more.
I like the title of your sermon btw and I'd be interested in hearing what its main points were and what you felt the congregation's reaction was. Does this uni offer post-grad opportunities for the more serious and studious hell students?
My point is there are very, very few sermons on hell.
If you can refute anything I post please do so, don't just make the claim that you can. I've been here for a few decades and it hasn't happened yet.
And FYI "You're wrong and I'm right! Am too! Nuh huh!" is not a refutation.
 
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My point is there are very, very few sermons on hell.
If you can refute anything I post please do so, don't just make the claim that you can. I've been here for a few decades and it hasn't happened yet.
And FYI "You're wrong and I'm right! Am too! Nuh huh!" is not a refutation.

If you're challenging people to refute you, you need to play fair and say exactly what it is you're asking them to rebut, otherwise you'll simply move the goalposts and say "No, that's not what I'm saying. Nah nah!".

So what is your assertion that you're saying hasn't been refuted in all these decades? Keep it simple and to the point otherwise of course you'll be right, it won't be refutable.
 
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Keep it simple and to the point otherwise of course you'll be right, it won't be refutable.
Maybe indecipherable is a better adjective in this case?
Can't really refute what is indecipherable.

Something decipherable, would easily refutable.
 
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Maybe indecipherable is a better adjective in this case?
Can't really refute what is indecipherable.

Something decipherable, would easily refutable.

There's a saying supposedly from the physicist Pauli: "That is not only not right, it's not even wrong!" to describe arguments that are so vague that you can't even show them to be wrong because it's not clear at all what they are saying. It almost makes you wonder whether that's not the entire point of all the copypasta posted in by Team Hell but of course that's an unfair thought and can't possibly be true.
 
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There's a saying supposedly from the physicist Pauli: "That is not only not right, it's not even wrong!" to describe arguments that are so vague that you can't even show them to be wrong because it's not clear at all what they are saying. It almost makes you wonder whether that's not the entire point of all the copypasta posted in by Team Hell but of course that's an unfair thought and can't possibly be true.
I only have two words for that sort of thing. Smoke screen.

But if I was only allowed one word, I would borrow your "copypasta". - LOL
(I'll return it when I am finished) Just noodling, I suppose.
 
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If you're challenging people to refute you, you need to play fair and say exactly what it is you're asking them to rebut, otherwise you'll simply move the goalposts and say "No, that's not what I'm saying. Nah nah!".
So what is your assertion that you're saying hasn't been refuted in all these decades? Keep it simple and to the point otherwise of course you'll be right, it won't be refutable.
Any post in this thread where I quoted scripture refuting an out-of-context proof text which allegedly proved UTR. See e.g., my post #627 above.
 
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Hi, I made a website to promote Christian Universalism. Everyone will become believers in Christ through faith alone and thus everyone will be saved and go to Heaven: https://jesus-saves-all.com/

1 Corinthians 15:22 "In Christ shall all be made alive"
 
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There's a saying supposedly from the physicist Pauli: "That is not only not right, it's not even wrong!" to describe arguments that are so vague that you can't even show them to be wrong because it's not clear at all what they are saying. It almost makes you wonder whether that's not the entire point of all the copypasta posted in by Team Hell but of course that's an unfair thought and can't possibly be true.

I only have two words for that sort of thing. Smoke screen.
But if I was only allowed one word, I would borrow your "copypasta". - LOL
(I'll return it when I am finished) Just noodling, I suppose.
Boys and girls, can we say "Cop-Out?"
 
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Hi, I made a website to promote Christian Universalism. Everyone will become believers in Christ through faith alone and thus everyone will be saved and go to Heaven: [link omitted]
1 Corinthians 15:22 "In Christ shall all be made alive"
Your out-of-context proof text does not say "Everyone will become believers in Christ." Which is very clear by reading the nest verse.
1 Corinthians 15:22-23
(22) For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
(23) But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.​
All mankind are "in Adam" because all men are literal descendants of Adam. But, all men are not "in Christ" that requires a conscious decision by every person, in this life.
Note: vs. 23 "Christ the firstfruits, afterward", NOT all mankind but, "they that are Christ's at His coming." Jesus makes a distinction. The ones that are made alive in Christ are those who already belong to Him when He returns, not all sinful mankind.
 
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Yesterday, Dec 22 2022, I published my website that promotes Christian Universal Salvation. That is Jesus Christ will save the entire world through faith alone. And everybody in existence will become believers in Christ through faith alone thusly. I went to sleep at around 4:00 AM



Today, Dec 23 2022, I just woke up from a dream at around 10:00 AM I had about Christian Universal Salvation.



The sky was light blue and when I looked up there were multiple giant animal heads shaped from white clouds. They were all looking to the right halfway forward and halfway turning, so diagonal, and looking forward, so not directly at me. I will go from left to right.



On the left there was the head of a lion. Below its head was a verse that said “ALL PEOPLE”, with that part specifically capitalized.

Most likely it was this verse: Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,

It was a male lion with a big fur going around it’s head. It looked similar to this:
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http://web.archive.org/web/20221222180157/https://cincinnatizoo.org/system/assets/uploads/2013/07/36692305443_de5d7f7bde_b.jpg



Then there was another animal in between. Next continuing right was the head of an ox. Below it’s head was a verse that said “ALL CREATION”, whit that part specifically capitalized.

Most likely it was this verse: Colossians 1:15-21 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

It was not a furry ox, but rather one with a smooth straight face with horns going out then curving in. It looked similar to this:

https://flic.kr/p/8wrLbt
http://web.archive.org/web/20221222180633/https://www.flickr.com/photos/1maph/4939018679



There was another head that I don’t remember, but the verse below is had something along the lines of “God created ALL VERSES”

2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,



I woke up agreeing with all of these verses and I felt greatly comforted as I hugged and embraced the Lord. Last night, despite it being late, because I was working on publishing my Christian Universalism website, I had energy. And today, even when I wake up early, I still have energy too and feel well rested.



Researching it now, it seems this was a cherub or cherubim.



Ezekiel 10:1 “Then I looked, and behold, on the expanse that was over the heads of the cherubim”



Ezekiel 1:10 “Their faces looked like this: Each of the four had the face of a human being, and on the right side each had the face of a lion, and on the left the face of an ox; each also had the face of an eagle.”



Revelation 4:6 “…four living creatures, full of eyes in front and behind: 7 the first living creature like a lion, the second living creature like an ox, the third living creature with the face of a man, and the fourth living creature like an eagle in flight. 8 And the four living creatures, each of them with six wings, are full of eyes all around and within, and day and night they never cease to say, “Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty, who was and is and is to come!” ”

I’ve had those last few words on the tip of my tongue for the past few days and now this explains why.



I have a laptop that I connected to my Panasonic Plasma HD Tv TC-P42X1 with a Rocketfish HDMI Cable. A few days ago, as I was editing my website with more Bible verses a few days ago before publishing the website, I heard a sound from the Tv and saw my Tv turn a bright red hue, like the color of blood, and all four sides started burning and travelling towards the center. It was like a paper burning from all 4 sides, where the burning would spread with a sort of round shape. And the whole time it made a mechanical error noise.

I immediately unplugged my HDMI cable on both ends and then re-plugged it in. Eventually, the screen was just black, and when I clicked the black power button in the middle, instead of the small circle light staying red, it would rhythmically go from red and then nothing at a moderate pace.

Later, when I told my family members, they didn’t believe what I had told them, they told me I should have videoed it on my phone. But it went by so quick, I didn’t have time. But they did see the Tv would not turn on, even after plugging it in and out. We had the TV for a long time, at least 5 years minimum, so it was due for a replacement anyways. At least we can buy it with those Christmas discounts in place lol. But this did not stop me from uploading the site to the Internet.



Lastly, the date that I bought the domain for the website is very significant to me for multiple personal reasons.

The date brought me joy, then I suffered for a year because of that date, but now the joy has returned. I wrote the Journal Entries about discovering Christian Universal Salvation 5 years ago, and since then I always wondered when I could put them to use, and now it has been fulfilled. Yet another miracle. Though I greatly suffered back then, I can now see how the recording of my suffering on this website can help others. The Lord always finishes what He starts.

I’m crying as I type this. Tears of relief, joy. I am truly grateful to the Lord for showing me this vision. Thank you, the Lord God Almighty, holy holy holy you were and are and will be.
 
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HABAKKUK 2:3 The revelation awaits an appointed time; it speaks of the end and will not prove false. Though it linger, wait for it; it will certainly come and will not delay. (NIV)

This revelation is that all will be saved. While not everyone knows it, everyone will at the end. It is God’s will to save all.
 
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HABAKKUK 2:3 The revelation awaits an appointed time; it speaks of the end and will not prove false. Though it linger, wait for it; it will certainly come and will not delay. (NIV)
This revelation is that all will be saved. While not everyone knows it, everyone will at the end. It is God’s will to save all.
Still more out-of-context proof texts. Hab 2:3 says nothing about "all will be saved!"
Habakkuk 2:3-4
(3) For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.
(4) Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.​
God did NOT say all will live. God said only a certain group shall live, i.e. "the just." "the just shall live by his faith" but the converse is "the unjust shall not live for he has no faith."
 
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