Daily Christian Universalist Verses

[Saint Steven]

The title's very generic anyways "Daily Christian Universalist Verses", so as long as there's any sort of Bible verse about Christ's Universal Salvation, than it's all good. A "catch-all" topic.

Anything else would be a "catch-hell" topic. - LOL

 

[Saint Steven]

Have you still got the receipt? I ask anxiously. I'm sure they'll give you your money back if you show them DBH's quote, I say encouragingly.

We're having a special offer at our church. Try Jesus for a month. If you decide he's not for you, you can have all your old sins back.

 

[Hmm]

We're having a special offer at our church. Try Jesus for a month. If you decide he's not for you, you can have all your old sins back.

What a great way to get people's attention and spark an interest!

 

[Der Alte]

What a great way to get people's attention and spark an interest!

Unfortunately, some folks don't get their old sins back, cuz they still have them. Are we back on topic yet? How about good ol' 1 Cor 3:15

1 Corinthians 3:15
(15) If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.​

All a sinner has to do is let his ordinary, mundane works be burned and he will be saved by fire.

 

[Deafsilence]

For the universalists on this thread. Some of us don't really have fellowship with other members. Would be good to get some kind of weekly fellowship in another medium like a zoom or something. Anyone interested in that? I know this is a bit off topic but this is probably best place to ask. I'm especially interested in fellowshipping with those universalists that also believe we can know the day and hour of our Lord's return.

I believe that the Lord is now giving meat in due season (meaning to know of His return):

Mat_24:45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

 

[Saint Steven]

What a great way to get people's attention and spark an interest!

Some of the best preachers start their sermon with a joke. So... couldn't hurt.
And probably don't expect a believer to joke about such things.
Not that its wrong... (depending on who you ask) - LOL

 

[HSong]

Anything else would be a "catch-hell" topic. - LOL

LOL! Good one

We're having a special offer at our church. Try Jesus for a month. If you decide he's not for you, you can have all your old sins back.

Hmm... I've heard it also comes with free international shipping too!

 

[HSong]

For the universalists on this thread. Some of us don't really have fellowship with other members. Would be good to get some kind of weekly fellowship in another medium like a zoom or something. Anyone interested in that? I know this is a bit off topic but this is probably best place to ask. I'm especially interested in fellowshipping with those universalists that also believe we can know the day and hour of our Lord's return.

I believe that the Lord is now giving meat in due season (meaning to know of His return):

Mat_24:45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

That's a good idea, I'm interested! There's a lot of Universalists from many different forums, so I think it would be nice to have a way to connect everyone somehow. Of course, even if some people don't have a webcam or microphone or want to show their face or voice I think it's fine for them to use the real time chat. (I say this because the USB port on my Blue Yeti Nano microphone broke off yesterday making it hard to connect to my computer lol). I personally can't guarantee that I will be there all the time, since my work schedule is very sporadic. But I will maybe try to make it when possible.

If it's a weekly meeting, I think it would also be good to post the recording online on a Youtube channel, like a podcast or Q&A session. That way, other people can see what we discuss and benefit from it too.

Also, I've set up many Zoom meetings before, but sometimes technical issues can arise where people can only use the real time chat option due to not hearing other participants. So, it should be recorded with OBS so the chat can be seen and not Zoom's internal recording since that's just video. Just remember that there's a short time limit for the free plan, so the host would need to purchase a paid plan for longer meetings. (Unless you want to keep starting and restarting multiple shorter meetings lol)

I'd be interested in discussion about the day and hour of our Lord's return too. I've been following a lot of Russia and Ukraine war news since the invasion first started, and I personally believe there's a connection there to Gog and Magog. There's other stuff too, like thousand year old bacteria being released from polar ice caps because some companies want to literally ship them around the world for access to fresh water thus plagues. Millions of chicken dying from flu, droughts on crops, famine. Etc.

 

[HSong]

And, let's not forget the Daily Christian Universalist Verse TM lol

ISAIAH 54:7-8 "For a brief moment I abandoned you, but with deep compassion I will bring you back. In a surge of anger I hid my face from you for a moment, but with everlasting kindness I will have compassion on you," says the Lord your Redeemer. (NIV)

Our life on Earth is like that brief moment of abandonment. There are people on Earth, atheists, agnostics, who don’t believe God exists, or does not know of His existance. Even those people will be saved through Jesus Christ. All people will have the opportunity to know God, to trust in Him of their own free will. He will come to save us in the end with everlasting compassion. He will not give up on us.

 

[Der Alte]

And, let's not forget the Daily Christian Universalist Verse TM lol

ISAIAH 54:7-8 "For a brief moment I abandoned you, but with deep compassion I will bring you back. In a surge of anger I hid my face from you for a moment, but with everlasting kindness I will have compassion on you," says the Lord your Redeemer. (NIV)
Our life on Earth is like that brief moment of abandonment. There are people on Earth, atheists, agnostics, who don’t believe God exists, or does not know of His existance. Even those people will be saved through Jesus Christ. All people will have the opportunity to know God, to trust in Him of their own free will. He will come to save us in the end with everlasting compassion. He will not give up on us.

Sorry wrong again. God was addressing that to the nation Israel NOT all mankind. And it refers to God's mercy in this life NOT in the grave or sheol.

Isaiah 54:10
(10) For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed; but my kindness shall not depart from thee, neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed, saith the LORD that hath mercy on thee.​

All mankind does not have a covenant with God.

 

[Deafsilence]

Deu_25:3 Forty stripes he may give him, and not exceed: lest, if he should exceed, and beat him above these with many stripes, then thy brother should seem vile unto thee.

Nice verse to remember that the Jews were given laws that showed that punishment was meant for correction.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Perhaps the angelic host meant the good news is for the few that are talented enough to receive Him. Surly all cannot radically mean ALL? LOL

God IS Saviour of all mankind, NOT some: ALL!

You know full well that pas doesn’t always mean all.

“Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, magi from the east arrived in Jerusalem, saying, “Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east and have come to worship Him.” When Herod the king heard this, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭2‬:‭1‬-‭3‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Obviously the wise men were not troubled by this.

“Then Jerusalem was going out to him, and all Judea and all the district around the Jordan; and they were being baptized by him in the Jordan River, as they confessed their sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭3‬:‭5‬-‭6‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Roman soldiers were not coming to be baptized.

 

[Deafsilence]

You know full well that pas doesn’t always mean all.

“Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, magi from the east arrived in Jerusalem, saying, “Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east and have come to worship Him.” When Herod the king heard this, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭2‬:‭1‬-‭3‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Obviously the wise men were not troubled by this.

“Then Jerusalem was going out to him, and all Judea and all the district around the Jordan; and they were being baptized by him in the Jordan River, as they confessed their sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭3‬:‭5‬-‭6‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Roman soldiers were not coming to be baptized.

That is just a translational issue. Consider this:

Then those of Yerushalayim – and of the whole Yehudah, and of the whole kingdom which surrounded the Yardeini valley – came, 6 and he was immersing them in the Yardein, while they confessed their iniquities.


You can see in the Hebrew that the ALL coming from the Greek must be pertaining to them that came to be immersed. This means that ALL does mean ALL in that context meaning all of those being immersed (all of them without exception) came from those regions.

 

[Der Alte]

Deu_25:3 Forty stripes he may give him, and not exceed: lest, if he should exceed, and beat him above these with many stripes, then thy brother should seem vile unto thee.
Nice verse to remember that the Jews were given laws that showed that punishment was meant for correction.

In this instance the punishment was correctional that does not mean all punishment is correctional. Jesus said so in Matthew 25:46.

 

[Der Alte]

You know full well that pas doesn’t always mean all.
“Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, magi from the east arrived in Jerusalem, saying, “Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east and have come to worship Him.” When Herod the king heard this, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭2‬:‭1‬-‭3‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
Obviously the wise men were not troubled by this.
“Then Jerusalem was going out to him, and all Judea and all the district around the Jordan; and they were being baptized by him in the Jordan River, as they confessed their sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭3‬:‭5‬-‭6‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
Roman soldiers were not coming to be baptized.

That is correct every living person in Jerusalem was not troubled along with Herod. Also, every living person in Jerusalem and Judea did not go to the Jordan to be baptized. Pas and all of its inflections does not always mean all.

 

[HSong]

Nice verse to remember that the Jews were given laws that showed that punishment was meant for correction.

Yes, punishment is always temporary, there's always an end to it.

ISAIAH 55:1, 3, 5, 8-11 "Come, all you who are thirsty ...I will make an everlasting covenant with you ... Surely you will summon nations you know not, and nations that do not know you will hasten to you, because of the Lord your God, the Holy One of Israel ... For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the Lord. "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. As the rain and snow come down from heaven, and do not return to it without watering the earth and making it bud and flourishes is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it. (NIV)

This covenant is everlasting. All nations on the Earth are thirsty, but God, out of His loving nature, will quench all of our thirsts, He will save us all. Everyone is thirsty, seeking Heaven, as everyone wishes for a higher existence than the suffering on Earth. The Lord will accomplish what He desires, He will always achieve His purpose, that is, to end all suffering, to save everyone from the suffering on Earth to lead glorified existences in Heaven through faith alone in Jesus Christ.

 

[FineLinen]

You know full well that pas doesn’t always mean all.

“Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, magi from the east arrived in Jerusalem, saying, “Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east and have come to worship Him.” When Herod the king heard this, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭2‬:‭1‬-‭3‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Obviously the wise men were not troubled by this.

“Then Jerusalem was going out to him, and all Judea and all the district around the Jordan; and they were being baptized by him in the Jordan River, as they confessed their sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭3‬:‭5‬-‭6‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Roman soldiers were not coming to be baptized.

I know that pas not only means all, it is the radical all.

There are what is known as synecdoche's which is what is expressed in some passages.

 

[FineLinen]

I know that pas not only means all, it is the radical all.

There are what is known as synecdoche's which is what is expressed in some passages.

The all does not mean all Bible =

1 Cor. 15:22

"For as in Adam some die, so also in Christ some shall be made alive. But each in his own order; Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming, then comes the end, when He delivers up the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished some rule and some authority and power."

Rev. 5:13

"And some created things that are in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and some things in them, I heard saying, To Him who sits on the throne and the Lamb, be blessing and honour and glory and dominion and power unto the ages of the ages."

Col. 1:18-20

"He too is that head whose body is the Church, the Firstborn from the dead, he is to the Church the Source of its life, that in some things He might occupy the foremost place/ to be in some things alone supreme.

For it pleased the Father that in him the divine nature in some of its fulness should dwell.

And, having made peace through the blood of His cross, by him to reconcile some things unto Himself; by him, I say, whether they be things on earth, or things in heaven. And you that were sometimes alienated..."

Acts 3:20,21

"And He will send Jesus, your destined Christ, yet heaven must retain Him, until the restitution of some things. (when some things are put right)"

1 Cor. 15:28

"And when some things shall be subdued unto Him, then shall the Son also Himself be subject unto Him that put some things under Him, that God may be some in some."

1 Cor. 15:25,27

"For He must reign until He hath put some enemies under His feet...For He hath put some things under His feet. But when He saith some things are put under Him, it is manifest that He is excepted, which did put some things under Him."

Romans 11:32

"For God has consigned some men to disobedience that He might have mercy upon some."

Eph. 4:10

"Yea, He who came down is the same who is gone up, far above some heavens, that He might fill some things with His Presence."

John 5:28

"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which some that are in the graves shall hear His voice. Those who have done good will to live and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment."

1 Timothy 2:4

"For this is good and pleasing in the eyes of God our Saviour; who will have some men to be saved and come to an increasing knowledge of the truth."

1 Timothy 2:6

"For there is one intermediary (One who brings God and men together) who gave Himself a ransom in behalf of some to be testified in due time."

Cor. 5:15

"For the love of God overmasters us because we judge that if one died for some, then were some dead; And that His purpose in dying for some was that men, while still in life, should cease to live for themselves, and should live for Him who for their sake died and was raised to life."

Col. 1:16

"For by Him were some things created, of things in heaven and on earth, things seen and things unseen (angels or archangels and some of the powers of Heaven)....some things were created by Him, and for Him (some were made by Christ for His own use and glory.)

John 3:35

"The Father loves the Son, and has given some things into His hand (has given Him control over less than everything). Whoever trusts on the Son possesses eternal life and he who does not obey the Son, God's displeasure hangs over him continually."

Gal. 3:20

"But the Scripture has concluded/consigned some without exception to the custody of sin, in order that the promise by faith in Christ Jesus might be given to those who believe in Him."

Heb. 1:2

"God...hath in these days spoken unto us in His Son who is the predestined Lord of the universe. (whom he has appointed heir of some things)"

2 Cor. 5:14

"For the love of Christ constrains/overmasters/compels/controls us, and this is the conviction we have reached; if one man died on behalf of some, then some thereby became dead men. Christ died for some, so that being alive should no longer mean living with our own life, but with his life who died for us and has risen again."

Heb.8:11

"And they shall not teach some men his neighbor, and some his brother, saying get to know the Lord, for some of them shall know me from small to great. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness..."

Acts 10:36

"The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: He is Lord of some.

Rom. 11:36

"For from him some things come; through Him some things exists; and in him some things end." (For of him and through him, and to him are some things.)

Eph. 4:6

"One Lord, one faith, one baptism. One God and Father of some, who is over some, and works through some, and dwells in some."

Heb. 12:23

"To the festal gathering and Church of the first-born, enrolled as citizens in heaven, and to God the Judge of some men and unto the spirits of righteous ones made perfect."

James 2:10

"For whomsoever shall keep the whole law, but fails in a single point, has become guilty of violating some."

Romans 3:22,23

"..the righteous of God which comes by believing in Jesus Christ. ...For some have sinned/ none have attained the glorious likeness of God/lack the glory that comes from God/ are deprived of the Divine splendour."

John 17:2

"You have made him sovereign over some of mankind that he should give life to some..."

Romans 9:5

"The patriarchs are theirs and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ. May God who is supreme above some, be blessed throughout the ages."

2 Peter 3:9

"The Lord is not slack/does not loiter/ is not dilatory concerning his promise, according to some people's conception of slowness; but He bears patiently with you, because it is not His will for any to be lost, but for some to come/reach repentance."

Phil. 2:10,11

In order that in adoration of the Name of Jesus some knees of worshippers will bow themselves and openly acknowledge with joy, in celebration and praise, that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. This profession and confession of His lordship shall be open and freely proclaimed, acknowledged joyfully by some beings in the heavens, by some beings on the earth and by some beings in the underworld.

Please Remember...

All does not radically mean all.

Whole is not whole.

All = Some

 

[Der Alte]

Yes, punishment is always temporary, there's always an end to it.
ISAIAH 55:1, 3, 5, 8-11 "Come, all you who are thirsty ...I will make an everlasting covenant with you ... Surely you will summon nations you know not, and nations that do not know you will hasten to you, because of the Lord your God, the Holy One of Israel ... For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the Lord. "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. As the rain and snow come down from heaven, and do not return to it without watering the earth and making it bud and flourishes is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it. (NIV)
This covenant is everlasting. All nations on the Earth are thirsty, but God, out of His loving nature, will quench all of our thirsts, He will save us all. Everyone is thirsty, seeking Heaven, as everyone wishes for a higher existence than the suffering on Earth. The Lord will accomplish what He desires, He will always achieve His purpose, that is, to end all suffering, to save everyone from the suffering on Earth to lead glorified existences in Heaven through faith alone in Jesus Christ.

No punishment is NOT always temporary! Your proof text is talking about nations in this world. There ain't no nations in the grave or sheol.. Was the flood temporary? Was Sodom and Gomorrah, temporary? Were all the nations that Israel destroyed when they entered the promised land, temporary?

Jeremiah 13:11-14
(11) For as the girdle cleaveth to the loins of a man, so have I caused to cleave unto me the whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah, saith Jehovah; that they may be unto me for a people, and for a name, and for a praise, and for a glory: but they would not hear.
(12) Therefore thou shalt speak unto them this word: Thus saith Jehovah, the God of Israel, Every bottle shall be filled with wine: and they shall say unto thee, Do we not certainly know that every bottle shall be filled with wine?
(13) Then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith Jehovah, Behold, I will fill all the inhabitants of this land, even the kings that sit upon David's throne, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, with drunkenness.
(14) And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith Jehovah: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have compassion, that I should not destroy them​

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[HSong]

JEREMIAH 30:24 See what a scorching wind has gone out from the Lord, a sweeping whirlwind. It whirls round the heads of the wicked; the Lord's anger is not to be turned aside, till he has finished and achieved his heart's desire. In days to come you will understand. ( NEB )

Note the word “finished” here. God’s anger is temporary, but His eternal bliss is forever. While there are some Christians who don’t know of Universal Salvation right now, eventually every person on Earth will realize that truth out of His infinite grace.