Christian President finds better way....

[Gregged]

i see your heart is pure. thanks.

I'm not trying to upset you at all. Sometimes it's hard to ask questions - especially when I don't know you or your family. But thanks for taking it the way I mean it.

I would not consider my son a coward for not being military unless our country was actually stretched like the left wing propoganda of many countries try to make it seem.

Ok, that's great (about your son)...

Do you realise that right wing propaganda is truly alive and well too that would preach that all is well, men are plentiful and dollars are in abundance?

But if he were afraid of pain or death i would consider him a coward. I would love him but I would feel sad for him know ing he would not like himself.

I hope you truly would love him... Why would you feel sad for him? If he had made his choice then surely he would be happy? The only reason he would be sad is if he was seen as "upsetting" the family tradition by not being in the military. We've all heard of children living out the dreams of their parents

And the question I asked which wasn't really answered, but I'm just interested... Would you be prouder if he was actually killed in active service "protecting his country" than if he had done well in a civilian position? What if he was killed by "friendly fire"? Would that be such a martyrs death to make you proud?

 

[Carey]

I'm not trying to upset you at all. Sometimes it's hard to ask questions - especially when I don't know you or your family. But thanks for taking it the way I mean it.


Ok, that's great (about your son)...

Do you realise that right wing propaganda is truly alive and well too that would preach that all is well, men are plentiful and dollars are in abundance?


I hope you truly would love him... Why would you feel sad for him? If he had made his choice then surely he would be happy? The only reason he would be sad is if he was seen as "upsetting" the family tradition by not being in the military. We've all heard of children living out the dreams of their parents

And the question I asked which wasn't really answered, but I'm just interested... Would you be prouder if he was actually killed in active service "protecting his country" than if he had done well in a civilian position? What if he was killed by "friendly fire"? Would that be such a martyrs death to make you proud?

Yes I admit if he died valiantly in battle it would be better than if he made the highest award for some weak thing like .........I dont know the aclu in then USA.

He would be free to do of course to follow that.
If he wanted to be a ballet dancer...LOL I guess that would be ok too though I dont worry about that.

I do not put thgat kind of pressur eon my sons.
But the families pride of our relatives success does create some preussure I am sure.

I am the steriotypical American that liberal europeans and other countries see.
But what the liberal left wing propoganda has done is make patriotic Christian Americans seem incaring and zealots.
We are not at all that. The vast majority of our military are mddle class people with college degrees. They all voluntarily enlisted in the military.
The vast majority of fighters in the UFC are also people who possess a college degree.

Combat is not evil.

Do you remeber the story of Jacob and the wrestling match?

 

[Carey]

Believe me Carey - not everyone wants to live there! I hear that all the time from patriots. Yes, many people do want to go there (and my country too), but it's not always the dream they had thought it would be. I won't share my views further on this, but I hear your type of comment all the time.


This is the sort of comment where I don't take you for real at all. That's why comments were made as to you "trolling". In my view, it's very very arrogant. One day you'll come back to earth with a great thump because you're so high up in cloudy dreamland at the moment that it's going to hurt you bad when it happens! Meanwhile, I'll just continue to laugh at those type of comments you make! Thanks for the comedy Carey - I guess you really do "Care"

You dont think we will save the britts and the french from Islam Like we did the Nazis???

You dont think before we would ever surrneder like the french did we would take out the whole world with us??

This country will and is the last Hold God has on any Nation on earth.

That is why I keep posting Matthew 24

The USA is the freind of Christian and Israelites and is regardless of the enemies massed against stead fast in the support of Christianity and Israel.

This is all eschatoolgy but this is the wrong forum.

 

[Gregged]

You dont think we will save the britts and the french from Islam Like we did the Nazis???

You dont think before we would ever surrneder like the french did we would take out the whole world with us??

This country will and is the last Hold God has on any Nation on earth.

That is why I keep posting Matthew 24

The USA is the freind of Christian and Israelites and is regardless of the enemies massed against stead fast in the support of Christianity and Israel.

This is all eschatoolgy but this is the wrong forum.

It's a wonder the world survived before the USA was discovered, eh?! LOL I'm sure God was really waiting for the US to set up shop so that God could step back from looking after the planet! LOL

Carey, I leave you (with hugs) in your extreme ignorance, arrogance and pride. There are probably a few other adjectives but my vocabulary is not that great despite me being English and therefore my language being English! By the way, here are the hugs

I hope when you wake up it won't cause too much distress realising how the real world is The trouble is, you probably won't be half as funny as the comments I've read over the past few days


By the way Carey just for future reference, "Brittain" and "Britts" is not the correct spelling though I'm not surprised you spell it that way...

The correct spelling is "Britain" and "Brits". My very simple fellow countryfolk and I are more than happy with just the one t. Thank you for your attention, co-operation and politeness in this matter

 

[bliz]

Yes I tried years ago and they would not take me.

I am a fighter as my whole family is.

My kneee injury made me not a whole man.
i thought for years.

My oldest son followed in the family tradition and was about to enetr the UFC but has a heart condition and they recently put a pace maker in him.

The next in line who will be eligable is my other son.

Why is it that people who will not personally be fighting in this war, or whose children will not be fighting in the war, are so excited about it? And what's wrong with the infnatry for your son? He's needed much more there, battling house to house, than then in the Navy.

Why did we have a group of men who went to great lengths to stay out of Vietnam sending other people's sons and daughters to defend their lies in Iraq?

Draft the twins!

Come on, Carey, a man who cares this much and with your valuable skills could get a job with Blackwater, Custer Battles, Meyer & Associates, Triple Canopy or Military Professional Services, Inc., to name but a few of the companies over there. Shall I get you the links for on-line applications?

Here you go... Triple Canopy is looking for a Protective Security Specialist/Designated Defensive Marksman. You can apply here: http://www.triplecanopy.com/triplec...?pg=operational_opportunities&jobList=pss_ddm

 

[livefortheday]

What has Islam done in france??

1995, terrorist attack
BUT the french president didn't have this resonning: "lets see, some islamists attacked us, I know the bible promotes peace but everyone one ll think im week, I know ill bomb the crap out of a random islamic country."

I don't want this to be a France vs Us thread but with all the "us helped france in WWII" posts, i m just going to inform you that france helped the US during the american revolution.

It takes much more strength to go against the system fighting for what you believe than following it blindly.

 

[Jarvo]

god bless you little bro.

I have a questin for you.

Did the world war end when The Usa got involved in the war inworld war 2??

Did the Japanese surrneder and quit fighting after the Usa used nuclear bombs on them??

Is Japan today an ally of the USA??

I am proud of you to be so thoughtful beond your years.

God bless
you

Carey

It seems to me you support the action of dropping the atomic bomb on Japan during WW2. Now, i'm not going to deny that US involvement was crucial, if not a bit late, to the allies winning WW2. However, i don't believe that the dropping of an atomic bomb on Japan was at all necessary.

The war was already over in Europe, the Nazi's had surrendered before the US bombed Japan. There was no justification in wipeing out 50,000 people - now that seems to me to be a large scale 9/11.

Jarvo

 

[KarrieTex]

It seems to me you support the action of dropping the atomic bomb on Japan during WW2. Now, i'm not going to deny that US involvement was crucial, if not a bit late, to the allies winning WW2. However, i don't believe that the dropping of an atomic bomb on Japan was at all necessary.

The war was already over in Europe, the Nazi's had surrendered before the US bombed Japan. There was no justification in wipeing out 50,000 people - now that seems to me to be a large scale 9/11.

Jarvo

You don't know American history well do you.

One Japan was fighting bascially just the US. Europe in essence had NOTHING to do with our war against Japan.

Thus your view on what the US did to our enemy is moot.

Also, Japan would not have stopped. They were not about to admit defeat though they knew that striking us was a stupid move. At the time it was the only thing that 1945 US knew to do to end the war.

Your 2006 mind can not grasp the 1945 mind or the lack of knowledge they had compared to now. So your judgement again is moot.

 

[KarrieTex]

1995, terrorist attack
BUT the french president didn't have this resonning: "lets see, some islamists attacked us, I know the bible promotes peace but everyone one ll think im week, I know ill bomb the crap out of a random islamic country."

I don't want this to be a France vs Us thread but with all the "us helped france in WWII" posts, i m just going to inform you that france helped the US during the american revolution.

It takes much more strength to go against the system fighting for what you believe than following it blindly.

You need to bone up on your history as well. Yes the French helped us defeat their enemies the Brits. But they also turned right around and tried to take land that belonged to the US.

 

[BigNorsk]

The only supportable evidence for why we invaded Iraq instead of using our troops elsewhere where risks to US interests are higher or keeping those troops in reserve so that they can factor into negotiations, is that Saddam was involved in attempting to assassinate George Bush the elder.

Any other scenario doesn't stand up to the evidence.

The only people who said he had nuclear weapons were known to be liars. People who had lived their lives in service to this country said he did not have them.

We were not concerned that Saddam had biological or chemical weapons, indeed when he used them on a daily basis against Iran, we funded Saddam, fixed his equipment and provided him intelligence. The strangest part is that many of the people who were involved giving Saddam weapons of mass destruction were the same ones who pretended to be so concerned now. So we didn't attack him on that basis.

His funding of terrorism has been largely regional and mostly secular. He was the natural enemy of fundamentalist Islamic terrorists such as attacked us on 9/11. Indeed his largest funding of terrorism has been secular groups in Iran, an area where he was actually cooperating with the US.

The risk he represented to the US was smaller than other groups.

He was attacked because he attempted to assassinate George Bush and the planners mistakenly thought we could go in, "liberate" the county, be greated as liberators and get out or build bases to use for further operations.

The administration was clueless that we would get bogged down in a guerilla war. Normal timeframes for such wars should be thought of around 15 years to win if no serious mistake are made.

The common cover is that we are better fighting the terrorists there than here which implies that the war is going like was planned. But from the start, including today, the administration talks in terms of winning in months, not years. Something totally unrealistic, arms are coming into the country from outside, just as we sent arms into Afghanistan when the Soviets were there. People in the Middle East are now well versed in this type of war and how to hold on and bleed the occupying forces and countries. The only way to get out in months is to basically just pack up and move out and start sending in arms for the side you support and let the real war begin. Or of course you make a diplomatic deal. Something totally impossible since the US won't even officially talk to most of the people who would need to be involved in dealing.

So the only choice to get over shortly is to pack up and let the fighting in ernest get started.

That's very problematic for us because the likelihood that the oil would keep flowing is very low. And even this adminstration can see that, and if you thought people didn't like $3.00 gas try $5.00.

At this point, we are basically buying time. If anyone thinks 20,000 more of our troops going in at the same time about 10,000 troops from other countries are coming out is a significant push capable of winning anything. Well, I don't think you have a handle on the situation.

Currently we are basically fighting the same tactics as in Vietnam, we patrol, we get shot at, we shoot back. Once we win an area, we give it back so that we can patrol through it later and maybe get shot at again. If the pool of snipers was small and not getting replenished, it works fine. As long as it gets replenished, it just never ends. In addition, those who cooperate with us are left to protect themselves against those who fight against us. It is being shown every day that many cannot protect themselves.

A change in tactics would be to use enough troops to take, and hold an area, but that would be a huge buildup. We would need at least double the troops as are currently in country and 3 times is much more reasonable. That isn't going to happen anytime soon and indeed, probably won't happen in the future as the war continues to lose popularity.

The big historical problem this mess is going to leave us is that we are indeed going to be very unlikely to engage in fighting even if we very much need to do so in the future. It is going to be very difficult indeed for any administration in the near future to mount a military campaign no matter how important or necessary it is. The Iraq War will be a shackle on adminstrations of the future and will thereby make the US and the World a more dangerous place due to the inability to take on credible threats.

Maybe when North Korea and Iran get their nuclear weapons in the short future, they will then learn to start to behave themselves, I'm not optimistic. Iraq significantly limits our options in dealing with them.

Marv

 

[jad123]

1995, terrorist attack
BUT the french president didn't have this resonning: "lets see, some islamists attacked us, I know the bible promotes peace but everyone one ll think im week, I know ill bomb the crap out of a random islamic country."

I don't want this to be a France vs Us thread but with all the "us helped france in WWII" posts, i m just going to inform you that france helped the US during the american revolution.

It takes much more strength to go against the system fighting for what you believe than following it blindly.

why would he? iraq was frances number 2 trading partner.

 

[livefortheday]

You need to bone up on your history as well. Yes the French helped us defeat their enemies the Brits. But they also turned right around and tried to take land that belonged to the US.

France didn't help the U.S to be kind it did it, it did it to weaken the british empire. My point was that at one brief point in history France helped the us

why would he? iraq was frances number 2 trading partner.

I didn't specify iraq, but as a general rule france prefers to sell weapons to countries rather than attack them.

 

[Jarvo]

That didn't stop the US from invading Iraq, despite many of the weapons that the Iraqis actually did have were from the US!

Jarvo

 

[Gwenyfur]

I don't believe Bush is protecting christian interests by killing iraqis. Bush sent two thousand "christian" soldiers ( i say " christians as i am using the view that america is the greatest nation and is christian).
War doesn't bring peace it brings even more destruction, as iraq shows. Bush is just sending more troops to the slaughter.

Im gonna get flamed as im a small socialist boy surrounded by american republicans.

I see your icon says you live in France...

May I ask who runs your government?
What language is the primary national language?
And just which military force liberated France so that those answers aren't "Germany/German"???

 

[Gwenyfur]

We dont believe women should be in military so my neices are'nt an option.

Since when is a woman's life more valuable than a man's? Or her right to choose less than a man's?

I proudly served in the USMC for 9 years Carey...and my daughter now serves in the Corps. We're a Marine family carrying on the tradition of standing in FRONT defending those who are too weak to defend themselves...

No women pft!

 

[CallMeThomas]

I think that the US has acted incredibly unwisely over the years, but as a rule of thumb, I don't like to debate politics. All I will say about this is that when the crap hits the fan, I'm moving to France!

 

[imind]

I see your icon says you live in France...

May I ask who runs your government?
What language is the primary national language?
And just which military force liberated France so that those answers aren't "Germany/German"???

relevance to this thread?

 

[Gwenyfur]

Just a question. those are allowed on this site.
As to pertinence...he brought it up

 

[livefortheday]

May I ask who runs your government?

Jaques chirac is the president, though why are you asking me this.

What language is the primary national language?

French, seems logical...

And just which military force liberated France so that those answers aren't "Germany/German"???

USA, britain+colonies (australia,India..)...

, I'm moving to France!

you can come over to my place!!

I also believe that women have as much right as men to be in the army. Though i dont believe that armies should necessary in the modern civilised world.

who are too weak to defend themselves...

Everybody who isnt in the army is weak?

note to make everyone happy: I am grateful you liberated France, though most of my respect has dissapeared thanks to one government.

Not listened to the news recently, has bush sent more troops?

 

[Gwenyfur]

Not, not everyone who isn't in the military is weak...but let's take the case of the Iraqi people....as a whole they were too weak to overthrow their sadistic ruler by themselves...
The US and coalition forces did that and 13 of the 16 provinces are now completely under the new Iraqi government's control...something you won't hear in mainstream media...

[sarcasm]gee wonder why? It would mean we're actually accomplishing something [/sarcasm]

I'm glad we liberated France as well, my grandfather was one of the many Marines who helped to do that. He had wonderful stories of how the french people aided and helped them succeed by offering them food and shelter and information. He loved one french woman so much, that he married her ... anyhow...I digress

Yes, Bush, with the approval of the democratic congress is sending in 20,000+ troops to Iraq to help get the last 3 provinces under Iraqi/Coalition control...and they're finally untying the troops' hands when it comes to the ROE