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Ok... forgetting a few recent crazy posts... Can anyone say what they think of Ezekiel 21:13-16 :

'Testing will surely come. And what if the scepter of Judah, which the sword despises, does not continue? declared the Sovereign Lord.'

So then, son of man, prophesy and strike your hands together. Let the sword strike twice, even three times. It is a sword for slaughter - a sword for great slaughter, closing in on them from every side.

So that hearts may melt and the fallen be many, I have stationed the sword for slaughter at all their gates. Oh! It is made to flash like lightning, it is grasped for slaughter.

O sword, slash to the right, then to the left, wherever your blade is turned....


Anyone know if this has been fulfilled, or is the strike twice, even three times, possibly talking about WW1/WW2 and then WW3 when it is here?
 
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Lets see it in context:
Ezekiel 21

Babylon, God's Sword of Judgment

1 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 "Son of man, set your face against Jerusalem and preach against the sanctuary. Prophesy against the land of Israel 3 and say to her: 'This is what the LORD says: I am against you. I will draw my sword from its scabbard and cut off from you both the righteous and the wicked. 4 Because I am going to cut off the righteous and the wicked, my sword will be unsheathed against everyone from south to north. 5 Then all people will know that I the LORD have drawn my sword from its scabbard; it will not return again.' 6 "Therefore groan, son of man! Groan before them with broken heart and bitter grief. 7 And when they ask you, 'Why are you groaning?' you shall say, 'Because of the news that is coming. Every heart will melt and every hand go limp; every spirit will become faint and every knee become as weak as water.' It is coming! It will surely take place, declares the Sovereign LORD."
8 The word of the LORD came to me: 9 "Son of man, prophesy and say, 'This is what the Lord says:
" 'A sword, a sword,
sharpened and polished-
10 sharpened for the slaughter,
polished to flash like lightning!
" 'Shall we rejoice in the scepter of my son Judah ? The sword despises every such stick.
11 " 'The sword is appointed to be polished,
to be grasped with the hand;
it is sharpened and polished,
made ready for the hand of the slayer.
12 Cry out and wail, son of man,
for it is against my people;
it is against all the princes of Israel.
They are thrown to the sword
along with my people.
Therefore beat your breast.
13 " 'Testing will surely come. And what if the scepter of Judah , which the sword despises, does not continue? declares the Sovereign LORD.'
14 "So then, son of man, prophesy
and strike your hands together.
Let the sword strike twice,
even three times.
It is a sword for slaughter—
a sword for great slaughter,
closing in on them from every side.
15 So that hearts may melt
and the fallen be many,
I have stationed the sword for slaughter
at all their gates.
Oh! It is made to flash like lightning,
it is grasped for slaughter.
16 O sword, slash to the right,
then to the left,
wherever your blade is turned.

17 I too will strike my hands together,
and my wrath will subside.
I the LORD have spoken."
18 The word of the LORD came to me: 19 "Son of man, mark out two roads for the sword of the king of Babylon to take, both starting from the same country. Make a signpost where the road branches off to the city. 20 Mark out one road for the sword to come against Rabbah of the Ammonites and another against Judah and fortified Jerusalem. 21 For the king of Babylon will stop at the fork in the road, at the junction of the two roads, to seek an omen: He will cast lots with arrows, he will consult his idols, he will examine the liver. 22 Into his right hand will come the lot for Jerusalem, where he is to set up battering rams, to give the command to slaughter, to sound the battle cry, to set battering rams against the gates, to build a ramp and to erect siege works. 23 It will seem like a false omen to those who have sworn allegiance to him, but he will remind them of their guilt and take them captive.
24 "Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: 'Because you people have brought to mind your guilt by your open rebellion, revealing your sins in all that you do—because you have done this, you will be taken captive.
25 " 'O profane and wicked prince of Israel, whose day has come, whose time of punishment has reached its climax, 26 this is what the Sovereign LORD says: Take off the turban, remove the crown. It will not be as it was: The lowly will be exalted and the exalted will be brought low. 27 A ruin! A ruin! I will make it a ruin! It will not be restored until he comes to whom it rightfully belongs; to him I will give it.'
28 "And you, son of man, prophesy and say, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says about the Ammonites and their insults:
" 'A sword, a sword,
drawn for the slaughter,
polished to consume
and to flash like lightning!
29 Despite false visions concerning you
and lying divinations about you,
it will be laid on the necks
of the wicked who are to be slain,
whose day has come,
whose time of punishment has reached its climax.
30 Return the sword to its scabbard.
In the place where you were created,
in the land of your ancestry,
I will judge you.
31 I will pour out my wrath upon you
and breathe out my fiery anger against you;
I will hand you over to brutal men,
men skilled in destruction.
32 You will be fuel for the fire,
your blood will be shed in your land,
you will be remembered no more;
for I the LORD have spoken.' " (emph. added)
I got the impression that was about Babylon? :scratch:
tulc(just a thought) :)
 
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Someone once said, "Love your enemies."

Lofty words. Noble sentiment. Utterly impractical, of course...

Carry on.


You can love your enemies so much that after an unavoidable war with their Crazy regime you remove from power.
Stay and die protecting their Government for their people while we and they rebuild their country.
 
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You can love your enemies so much that after an unavoidable war with their Crazy regime you remove from power.
Stay and die protecting their Government for their people while we and they rebuild their country. (emph. added)

The emphasized word in the above statement isn't quite true is it? :)
tulc(IMHO) ;)
 
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The emphasized word in the above statement isn't quite true is it? :)
tulc(IMHO) ;)


Yes because when US soil was attacked and we lost 1000's of civilians we were drawn into the worldwide war on terror. Iraq was only 1 of many fronts we would have to fight on.


Matthew 24 : 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom
 
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Yes because when US soil was attacked and we lost 1000's of civilians we were drawn into the worldwide war on terror. Iraq was only 1 of many fronts we would have to fight on
So the one country we know that wasn't involved in 9/11 is the one we spend the most lives and money on? :sorry:
tulc(that doesn't seem...right) :cool:
 
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So the one country we know that wasn't involved in 9/11 is the one we spend the most lives and money on? :sorry:
tulc(that doesn't seem...right) :cool:

Here are some facts for ya.

Iraq , Iran Syria, Afghanasta, somalia and any other country or organization that heps terrorists and calls hezzbullah and hamas anything other than terrorist groups were partially to blame for 9-11


Saddam Hussein's Philanthropy of Terror - by Deroy Murdock
... provide more evidence of Saddam's terror ties," By Laurie Mylroie, ... 8. "Saddam's Terrorist Ties," By Laurie Mylroie, The New York Sun, October 19, 2004 ...
www.husseinandterror.com

IRAQ: Iraqi Ties to Terrorism - Council on Foreign Relations
... of neighboring Turkey and Iran, as well as to Palestinian terror groups. ... few weeks after Saddam's fall from power, though, convincing proof of an Iraq-al ...
www.cfr.org/background/background_iraq_ties.php

Chickenhawk Express: More Proof of Saddam's Terror Ties
... is just another nail in the coffin of the Bush Lied crowd so don't expect the media to report it... Saddam was no threat to America. He had no terrorist ties. ...
chickenhawkexpress.blogspot.com/2006/04/more-proof-of-saddams-terror-ties...
 
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Did you see this in the second link you supplied?
http://www.cfr.org/publication/7702/
"There is no concrete evidence linking Iraq to the attacks, and although Iraq never expressed sympathy for the United States after the attacks, it denied any involvement."
my point was: the Iraq war was indeed avoidable. :)
tulc(but thanks for the links)
 
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god bless you little bro.

I have a questin for you.

Did the world war end when The Usa got involved in the war inworld war 2??

Did the Japanese surrneder and quit fighting after the Usa used nuclear bombs on them??

Is Japan today an ally of the USA??

I am proud of you to be so thoughtful beond your years.

God bless
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I am curious. Are you saying that in 2006 Japan is not an ally of the US?

For if you are, you are sadly mistaken. Japan is a huge ally of the US. Also, the US helped to rebuild Europe and Japan after WWII.

 
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You can love your enemies so much that after an unavoidable war with their Crazy regime you remove from power.
Stay and die protecting their Government for their people while we and they rebuild their country.

The people we are defending are not our enemies.

The government that we put in place is not our enemy.

Rebuilding would not have been necessary if peaceful means to contain or remove Saddam had been pursued to their conclusion.
 
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Just thinking... How many terrorists attacks have taken place on U.S. soil since 9/11? Zero. I guess Bush has nothing to do with that FACT!

...and yet Americans ARE still dying, just not here. So now the terrorists don't have to travel to kill us, just walk out their front door. :sigh:
tulc(just a thought) :)
 
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...and yet Americans ARE still dying, just not here. So now the terrorists don't have to travel to kill us, just walk out their front door. :sigh:
tulc(just a thought) :)

Backwards thinking. yes Americans are dying for protecting this country. Exactly waht they signed up for by the way. If we rush out of iraq they will be at your door step...
 
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The people we are defending are not our enemies.

The government that we put in place is not our enemy.

Rebuilding would not have been necessary if peaceful means to contain or remove Saddam had been pursued to their conclusion.
And how long do you think that takes the 10 years from the first time we had to go in there or do you think we could have stretched it out even longer?

They should have gone in earlier in my thinking.
 
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Backwards thinking.
Well I am whitetrash, so I've been called worse...by my mom. :sorry:

yes Americans are dying for protecting this country.
...from a country incapable of attacing us?
Exactly waht they signed up for by the way.
No. Not exaclly.
If we rush out of iraq they will be at your door step...
Unlikely...well... It WAS unlikely, but now they have many reasons to attack us. :sigh:
tulc(a backward thinker from way back!) ;)
 
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And how long do you think that takes the 10 years from the first time we had to go in there or do you think we could have stretched it out even longer?

They should have gone in earlier in my thinking.

A better idea might have been to finish the job 10 years ago. But, since that didn't happen, and since Saddam had no known ties to the 9-11 terrorists, and since there were no Weapons of Mass Destruction, and since the UN weapons inspectors had not finished their work, and since the world concensus was against the US invasion...

Well, I'd say that the whole thing was premature and unjustified.
 
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Well I am whitetrash, so I've been called worse...by my mom. :sorry:


...from a country incapable of attacing us?

No. Not exaclly.

Unlikely...well... It WAS unlikely, but now they have many reasons to attack us. :sigh:
tulc(a backward thinker from way back!) ;)

What I mean by backwards thinking is that too many in this country are not thinking ahead. Looking at the here and now instead of what are the dangers of a withdrawl. How does it effect our long term interest in the mid-east and with other countries such as Iran, Syria, S. Korea, etc. What is the exit strategy, I have yet to hear one from all the people screaming about getting out of there.
 
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A better idea might have been to finish the job 10 years ago. But, since that didn't happen, and since Saddam had no known ties to the 9-11 terrorists, and since there were no Weapons of Mass Destruction, and since the UN weapons inspectors had not finished their work, and since the world concensus was against the US invasion...

Well, I'd say that the whole thing was premature and unjustified.
There were WMD found...a bit old but they were found.

As for the UN, PLEASE. I am hoping that we kick them off of our soil.
 
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